We're the Military and Airpower Guys of Jonah Goldberg of National Review Online + a stray we found wandering around looking lost. All original material JHD, BHD, JR, WT, and KA 2003-2010 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2006/12/chicken_soup_fo.html Sat, 24 Mar 2012 15:46:17 Z Movable Type 4.12 en Copyright 2012 http://www.rssboard.org/rss-specification The broadside of the USS Constitution. A sight that was the last sight for many a sailor and ship, starting with HMS Guerriere. The carronades on her upper deck. (Note the period battle lantern!) I see the sponges aren't stored on the exposed deck, just the worms. Without shafts. Hey, if you understood that, we're prolly kindred spirits! Her broadside guns from the crew's perspective - with some people for scale. CDR Salamander needs to get his name on this board. So we can score an invite to sail on one of her harbor cruises! Feh on your career progression,... http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2006/12/chicken_soup_fo.html http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2006/12/chicken_soup_fo.html Mon, 11 Dec 2006 07:41:37 -0600 Dude I did the Victory at 11 and knew more about her than the RM L/Cpl who was the tour guide even then. http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2006/12/chicken_soup_fo.html#comment-53999 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2006/12/chicken_soup_fo.html#comment-53999 Tue, 12 Dec 2006 20:05:49 -0600 Huh! The action against HMS Java was more important; Jack Aubrey was present. We almost got him! A U.S Marine wounded him, and he got right sick and would have died from that fever, if not for the efforts of Dr. Maturin and that loony Boston doctor. http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2006/12/chicken_soup_fo.html#comment-53962 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2006/12/chicken_soup_fo.html#comment-53962 Tue, 12 Dec 2006 03:00:56 -0600 But it was another 14 years before George was finally superceded ... by John. Cheers http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2006/12/chicken_soup_fo.html#comment-53942 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2006/12/chicken_soup_fo.html#comment-53942 Mon, 11 Dec 2006 16:29:09 -0600 Heh. You make the assumption they care. As for which George... well, we fought a war so I wouldn't have to memorize which King reigned when... http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2006/12/chicken_soup_fo.html#comment-53940 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2006/12/chicken_soup_fo.html#comment-53940 Mon, 11 Dec 2006 16:13:36 -0600 George III: reigned 1760 to 1820. George II would probably be a tad early for USS Constitution. But since the current suite of noise-makers is not original, George IV (1820-1830) might also be suitable. Cheers http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2006/12/chicken_soup_fo.html#comment-53938 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2006/12/chicken_soup_fo.html#comment-53938 Mon, 11 Dec 2006 16:09:30 -0600 Oh, and as CAPT H has been, um, *reminding* me in email, the guns on the spar deck are not proper carronades, but are in fact 'gunnades' put there by the Navy as substitutes which they putatively intend to replace at some point with proper carronades. That said, the 24 pounders are imposters as well - and, oddly enough, all have GR cyphers on them... GR being the cypher of King George, though I didn't yet note *which* George, I'm assuming either the 2nd or 3rd. Not being an expert in naval armament, that will take a bit of research. According to the sailors on board, no one knows where Old Ironsides original armament went. They believe they have one of them in a museum (but not the Constitution museum) but... he wasn't sure. http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2006/12/chicken_soup_fo.html#comment-53935 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2006/12/chicken_soup_fo.html#comment-53935 Mon, 11 Dec 2006 14:06:22 -0600 Jim - I dunno - she's got 22 32 pounder carronades on the spar deck, and she's only got 34 24 pounders on the gun deck. David - I would guess yes, regarding the rot. The sponges are in place at most of the guns on the gun deck, though not all. And most are without shaft. http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2006/12/chicken_soup_fo.html#comment-53934 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2006/12/chicken_soup_fo.html#comment-53934 Mon, 11 Dec 2006 13:57:53 -0600 So do the carronades count in the rating of the ship as having 44 guns? With their reduced muzzle velocity, they don't count when rating a ship of the line but USS Constitution is a frigate hence my question. http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2006/12/chicken_soup_fo.html#comment-53932 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2006/12/chicken_soup_fo.html#comment-53932 Mon, 11 Dec 2006 13:19:31 -0600 Want a cool venue for a MilBlogs Conf? Now that would be a cool venue... http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2006/12/chicken_soup_fo.html#comment-53931 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2006/12/chicken_soup_fo.html#comment-53931 Mon, 11 Dec 2006 12:43:24 -0600 An interesting little fact. If you want to see what I believe to be the original Yardarm from the USS Constitution just go to Topeka High School in Topeka KS. They use it as a flag pole! http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2006/12/chicken_soup_fo.html#comment-53929 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2006/12/chicken_soup_fo.html#comment-53929 Mon, 11 Dec 2006 12:08:06 -0600 I'll bite...so why aren't the sponges stored on the exposed deck, just the worms, and without shafts? Rot? Riot? http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2006/12/chicken_soup_fo.html#comment-53917 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2006/12/chicken_soup_fo.html#comment-53917 Mon, 11 Dec 2006 09:29:37 -0600