On the issue of whether to let officers be in charge of procurement or not...
...better known as the "Answer to the Whatziss" posed earlier this week.
Also known as the dangers of a college education.
This one.
The Great and Powerful Og got it right, as did Rick and Rod - it's a gauge. Pogue sorta fell into my visual trap (I figured people would try to find it to be a fuze) and stumbled into the answer backwards.
It's a gauge used to check fuze setters. It's post-WWII Brit, though the US has equivalents.

In use, looking sorta like this.

Expensive piece of kit, when procured, I don't doubt. It's made of tough stuff so that it can handle the use and still maintain it's dimensional integrity and accuracy.
So what's this got to do with the title of the post, you ask? Simple.
But you'll need to go to the Flash Traffic/Extended Entry to find out.
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As I was gathering the stuff for picture taking, I paused when looking at the assembled gimcrackery.

I instantly detected the presence of Officers In Peacetime. I make a living studying things and ideas for the Army, and I've been a combat developer myself. I can sense the odor of the ordure of Officers in Peacetime.
See, we've got a problem. Someone gave the artillery some new-fangled things called mechanical time fuzes. Like these two.
Well, ya gotta be able to twist 'em, when seated on the projo, to align the marks that match the time setting the Fire Direction Center sends to the guns. And you don't want these things to be all loosey-goosey, so they're made with some decent resistance so that the spin imparted during firing doesn't cause the fuze setting to change. And artillerymen do their jobs outdoors in all weathers, so wet, slippery, muddy hands could also use some mechanical advantage.
So, obviously we need a gizmo to help the soldier do his job.
Enter the Officer.
The M28 fuze setter, shown here on an M564 MTSQ (Mechanical Time Super-Quick) fuze, was obviously designed by an officer. With an Engineering degree.

How can I tell? Well, lessee, no less than two settable dials, made out of hard, expensive steel. I mean, look at the engineering and manufacturing effort that went into this thing.
That big handle? Nicely rubber covered? It contains two C-cell batteries. And a switch. Because that triangular projection just above the scales on the dial... contains a light. So that the Gun Bunny (Hi Frank!) can see those close-set numbers on the dial at night. Of course, because we ended up making it do all things for all fuzes, it has some scales that are on the edge of the setter, where the light doesn't shine... but hey, they tried, right? Yep, a lighted fuze setter, with comfy grip, ability to set the scales on multiple fuzes in all weather, that has to be made in a precision machine shop by highly trained and experienced personnel. Which we will then give to people who will, because they're in a hurry being shot at and need to move, toss it in the back of the track and move out. Or leave it behind.
So, after some years of use (and expense), we give the officers another shot - and this time, we tell 'em to ditch that fancy stuff and stick to the basics. Heh. But... well, they're officers, probably engineers and graduates of West Point, and they just can't help themselves.
And they come up with the M23. Okay, that's an improvement. Got rid of the light, simplified manufacture, kept the comfy handle, and made the scales easier to read. It only costs half of what the other one does (no, I actually have no idea what these guys cost - I'm sure it's on the 'net somewhere though...).
The Democrats take power, and they wanna spend money on something else, so they cut the budget. Some ROTC grad with a degree in forestry is given the job of coming up with a cheaper, even simpler, and please, cheaper and more robust a fuze setter.
Alright! *Now* we're getting somewhere! The M27.

Kewl! It's got three pieces. The big, cheap, aluminum casting with a little machining required. And two little steel pieces (one of them a rivet) which will engage the notch on the fuze. Darn near indestructible, easy to use, and, for officer-work, cheap too.
But, the Dems are still in power and budget pressures are tight. So the Army implements an incentive program that will pay for good ideas - significant sums of money, too, if the savings from the idea are big enough.
So, an enlisted soldier, someone like frequent commenter fdcol or pogue, looks around, grabs a piece of mild sheet steel, does some cutting with a torch, grinds off the edges and submits this design for a fuze setter that does what all those others do, and costs about $1 after the stamping die is made. The M27.

He takes his money and immediately retires to Florida.
Um, and my undergrad degree is in Geography and I went to a Land Grant college. Why do you ask?
� Secure this line!
Reporting As Ordered, Sir! �
LOL - thank goodness SOMEONE had already made it simpler for my limited "junior enlisted" brain by the early '80s! We predominantly used the M34, but also used the M27 on occasion.
The others would have been much too complicated for us non-officer types! LOL
posted by fdcol63 on December 8, 2006 10:36 AM
That's great! You don't mind if I print this out and post it on the unit bulletin board, do you?
posted by Pogue on December 8, 2006 11:01 AM
Well, only if *everyone* who reads it promises to come visit and gimme traffic anyway.
I want you to keep a roster, and check 'em off as they comply...
Hey - I'm an officer, remember?
posted by
John of Argghhh! on December 8, 2006 11:31 AM
still too complicated.
i'm guessing a flat tip screwdriver and a BFR to hit it with wouldn't work?
posted by
MajMike on December 8, 2006 3:22 PM
Well, I have used a Leatherman tool to set an M577...
posted by Pogue on December 8, 2006 3:50 PM
My favorite dispay at the Cavalry Museum at Ft Riley is the display of Army saddles over the years. It starts out in the mid 1800's and ends in the mid 1940's. The saddles start very simple ... have additions ... gets to heavy for the horse ... are gradually simplified ... and the 1940's saddle looks almost exactly like what they started in a hundred years before.
posted by LarryK on December 8, 2006 4:10 PM
Way cool! It's hard to tell from the pics, is the gauge graduated in degrees around the tapered part? That would make a great deal of sense.
Nicely done.
posted by
og on December 8, 2006 6:06 PM
Way cool! It's hard to tell from the pics, is the gauge graduated in degrees around the tapered part? That would make a great deal of sense.
Nicely done.
posted by
og on December 8, 2006 6:07 PM
Og - the gauge is graduated in seconds, to match the fuze setter settings.
MajMike. Only a tanker with "open protective" would want an artilleryman setting time fuzes with a screwdriver and a rock.
What we did was change the fuzes to use a screwdriver - as Pogue notes. With nice big black numbers on a white background (looks just like an odometer). I'll post a pic when I get back from this weekend in Boston.
posted by
John of Argghhh! on December 9, 2006 8:37 AM
� Dismissed, Soldier!
0755AM, December 7, 1941.
Air Raid Pearl Harbor. This is no drill.


There are more pictures. I moved them below the fold into the Flash Traffic/Extended Entry to ease the burden on our dial-up visitors.
Flash Traffic (extended entry) Follows... �
Reporting As Ordered, Sir! �
Being one of the fortunate thousands who have visited the Arizona Memorial, for me it was a touching experience. Looking down the long list of those killed, there was one guy with the same last name as me. It personalized the experience, as I looked down and watched the oil globules still coming to the top. My dad like thousands of others went down the following week to enlist. He picked the Navy. They told him .... you're too old Pops .. go home. So he did. Two weeks later he was drafted by the Army, and served in the Pacific in the 41st Infantry Division.
The second surprise attack on the USA was 911. Women and children murdered this time.
Makes you wonder when the next one will be.
posted by
jim b on December 7, 2006 8:27 AM
Apparently, we both got the same images sent to us...
posted by
PigBoatSailor on December 7, 2006 8:49 AM
Apparently, we both got the same images sent to us...
posted by
PigBoatSailor on December 7, 2006 8:50 AM
Presented as *all newly discovered* in someone's suitcase?
Regardless of the fact that many of them were classics?
I did a get new images from that bunch, but I had most of them already.
posted by
John of Argghhh! on December 7, 2006 8:54 AM
Unlike the pics of the Cassin and Downes, the various views of the Shaw exploding, etc - the pic of the aircraft (I assume a Zero) diving at the sub was new to me.
posted by
John of Argghhh! on December 7, 2006 8:57 AM
Amazing photos, John, thanks. The information about human and material losses is equally valuable. Consider the resolve and labor required to recover, repair, and fight on.
If it's not too forward, offer a retrospective of my own here:
http://edefense.blogspot.com/2006/12/its-easy-to-forget.html
posted by
Michael Puttre on December 7, 2006 9:03 AM
My Dad was at Pearl Harbor, on the seaplane tender USS Tangier, tied up to the Utah. He witnessed the entire attack from the "Crows Nest" on his ship. He remembers seeing a Japanesse pilot eyeball to eyeball at his height. They were one of the very first ships to fire back and were involved in sinking one of the midget subs. Later he was on one of the cruiser sunk at Savo Island near Gualdacanel (spelling?). Was radio operator on a PBM. Did not get a scratch during the entire war.
posted by LYNN HARGROVE on December 7, 2006 9:14 AM
My grand dad was working on the Cassin while it was in dry dock that day. I think an enemy plane destroyed the ship by crashing into it. Grand dad survived the attack and fought on.
posted by Rob on December 7, 2006 10:00 AM
Thank you for honoring this important anniversary. I served on a sub out of Pearl in the '80s. The only reason I was able to relax in relative peace was due to the heroes of WWII. I've posted a rememberance of one of the heroes at our blog.
posted by
Jon Gabriel on December 7, 2006 11:16 AM
You forgot the USS Utah. She has a memorial on Ford Island.
posted by Higgy on December 7, 2006 11:30 AM
Never mind found her under Battleships. I think she was a target ship though.
posted by Higgy on December 7, 2006 11:31 AM
Oh, just forget it.
posted by Higgy on December 7, 2006 11:33 AM
Yup, the email read:
PEARL HARBOR PHOTOS FOUND IN AN OLD BROWNIE STORED IN A FOOTLOCKER
THESE PHOTOS ARE FROM A SAILOR WHO, I'M TOLD, WAS ON THE USS QUAPAW ATF-11O. INTERESTING AS I'VE NEVER SEEN THEM ANYWHERE ELSE.
I THINK THEY'RE SPECTACULAR.
If you've never seen them anywhere else, you weren't looking too hard, save a few. They are breathtaking, though.
Oh, and for what it is worth, the Quapaw was not at Pearl Harbor, "her keel being laid on 28 December 1942, launched on 15 May 1943, sponsored by Mrs. N.Lehman, and commissioned on 6 May, 1944"
posted by
PigBoatSailor on December 7, 2006 11:43 AM
I've posted a diary entry and a letter from some civilians who lived in Pearl City. (They're family heirlooms of a sort.) Thought you might be interested.
posted by
B. Durbin on December 7, 2006 11:57 AM
Higgy - it was fun, watching you work your way through it...!
Pigboat - yep, same one, though I didn't bother looking up the Qapaw, I admit!
As for the links to other posts - they're fine and welcome!
posted by
John of Argghhh! on December 7, 2006 12:18 PM
It's so sad to think that this may be the last reunion, because there simply won't be enough healthy survivors to hold a 70th. *sigh*
A friend of mine told me today that her uncle was a radioman, about 20 miles offshore that day. He saw the Japanese planes incoming, and radio'd in the attack... but he never said another word about what happened that day. Only that he tried to warn them.
What a day.
posted by AFSister on December 7, 2006 12:19 PM
When I first went to Pearl Harbor in 1946, I could see parts of the Arizona above the water. I told the story for years it was the superstructure, I later found out it was the stacks. They built the memorial just over two of the stacks.
posted by Bob on December 7, 2006 1:41 PM
One footnote: USS Nevada was indeed repaired and returned to action. On the morning of June 6, 1944, she gave fire support to our troops at Normandy.
posted by Chris M on December 7, 2006 1:47 PM
In honor of this important date, I've been showing a bunch of the classic newsreels and Frank Capra short films (e.g., Why We Fight) on IFILM's War page:
www.ifilm.com/channel/warzone
Check it out, if you like.
-Icarus
posted by
Icarus on December 7, 2006 2:38 PM
� Dismissed, Soldier!
Feh! Since I'm all bummed...
...about the Weblog Awards, I'm going to take it out on you guys.
Whatzis?

Post WWII. NATO, not Warsaw Pact.
Reporting As Ordered, Sir! �
i'm thinking something kinda HESH-y like..
posted by
MajMike on December 6, 2006 8:26 AM
Fuze for a Beehive-type round? And we still love ya, Auld Phart- howzabout a review of the new Great War museum in KC? A trip there might lift you outta da funk...
posted by Neffi on December 6, 2006 9:53 AM
The new iteration of the old museum?
It's on the list.
I'm just waaaaaaaaay too busy at the moment.
Silly client thinks that since they're paying for them, they should get their deliverables. Complete *and* on time. Geez. Harda$$es.
posted by
John of Argghhh! on December 6, 2006 10:59 AM
Easy. Its from the motor pool. Its a tailpipe expansion tool.
posted by
Nate on December 6, 2006 11:30 AM
Sorry, but when I look at that picture, all I can think of is Steve Martin singing "Oh, I'm picking out a thermos for youuuuuuu. No ordinary thermos will dooooooo."
posted by AFSister on December 6, 2006 12:46 PM
Stainless steel belaying pin. What kind of fancy sailboat do you have?
posted by
hdw on December 6, 2006 2:00 PM
Milspec Tiki torch.
posted by
Eagle1 on December 6, 2006 5:15 PM
The original design for the AH-1 Breakout Knife. Mother Rucker didn't want yet *another* sharp object rattling around in a Cobra cockpit, so Bell-Textron made it blunt -- and, in order to allow the pilot to still produce the desired result, i.e., shattering the canopy in the event of a rollover, they gave it a little heft. Sucker weighs 120 pounds -- try flailing *that* one-handed while the flames are crackling up through the side panels.
Dollars to donuts *somebody* will take that seriously...
posted by
BillT on December 6, 2006 8:43 PM
Looks like a gauge of some kind.
posted by
og on December 6, 2006 9:08 PM
SureFire flash light....prototype...
posted by
haji 0 matic on December 6, 2006 9:40 PM
I vote it's chuckable.
posted by
Trias on December 6, 2006 10:26 PM
maybe a go/no-go gauge for some sort of thing that goes bang.
posted by Rick on December 6, 2006 10:54 PM
...with a knurled grip
posted by
MajMike on December 7, 2006 8:49 AM
Sure looks like some kind of fuse setter to me, but then, everything looks like some kind of fuse setter to me...
posted by Pogue on December 7, 2006 2:15 PM
Looks both too short and too big, but howbout some kinda throat gauge?
posted by Rod Thorsen on December 7, 2006 9:30 PM
� Dismissed, Soldier!
That's funny, he didn't *look* like a demon...
He really doesn't. Doesn't sound like one, either.
Who? Josh Rushing, the former Marine PAO who found himself employed by Al-Jazeera.
That would be Al-Jazeera "dot.NET" vice "dot.COM," a distinction lost on many people. Including yours truly.
Debbie Schlussel wasn't impressed with him. Over at Euphoric Reality, "traitor" was tossed about.
Not surprisingly, the Left likes him.
Mother Jones likes him. I would note that the author of the Mother Jones piece, Daniel Schulman, obviously got nearly the same pitch we did here at Leavenworth, but it's certainly flavored differently. Whether by Schulman and his filters, by Rushing's targeted pitching to his audience, or my recollections being flavored by my filters.
The Salon story tracks well with the general outlines Mr. Rushing's pitch, as well. So, his story is generally consistent.
So, how did I manage to meet Josh Rushing? Easy - he was a guest speaker at the Command and General Staff College, where he was brought in to address the Information Operations elective. The college also runs a faculty development program, where many of the guest speakers or people who are here for other purposes are asked to address the faculty. As they occur during the normal instructional day, attendance at these things is usually low enough that non-faculty people like myself are invited to attend (That shouldn't reflect badly on the faculty, btw - these are targets of opportunity, and classes still have to be taught and students mentored!).a We've also had Ralph Peters, Max Boot, and Ry's buddy Tom Barnett come visit.
One of the interesting things that none of the stories about Rushing captures is... Al-Jazeera. And the fact that most of us are thinking Al-Jazeera.com, when the organization that Rushing works for is the english language arm of Al-Jazeera.net.
Hey, one's a magazine, one's a television network. And they're probably flip sides of the same coin, right?
Apparently not. According to the disclaimer on the .com site (which resulted from a trademark-infringement lawsuit brought by .net against .com) the two are not related.
From the "About Us" section of the .com website:
About Aljazeera.com
Aljazeera Publishing owns and operates Aljazeera.com, bringing you the world today. Aljazeera Publishing is an independent media organisation established in 1992 in London. Aljazeera.com has a particular focus on events and issues in the Middle East covering major developments presenting facts as they happen.
Important note: Aljazeera Publishing and Aljazeera.com are not associated with the controversial Arabic Satellite Channel known as Jazeera Space Channel TV (also known as Al-Jazeera Satellite Channel) station whose website is Aljazeera.net.
Aljazeera Publishing disassociates itself from the views, opinions and broadcasts of Jazeera Space Channel TV station.
Emphasis in the original.
So, what did Mr. Rushing talk about? He was there to do what he normally does to his military audiences (which include the Counter-Terrorism Center at West Point, the National Defense University, and others), he talks about Public Affairs, his role in OIF, and how he got to where he is now.
To his military audiences, his thesis, broadly restated, is "We don't know jack." Especially about managing media in the middle east.
He uses al-Jazeera as his example. How? Basically he asserts (and I have no reason to think otherwise) that Al-Jazeera is more powerful in the middle east than any equivalent US news operation is in the United States.
CENTCOM did not understand that, nor the distinction to be made about the .net incarnation vice the .com incarnation. His example? "The "boot" was on Al-Jazeera." "Boot" being Marine slang for newbie. I.e., Lieutenant Rushing was the face of the American War Machine on al-Jazeera.
He made three points about how that affected things.
1. The issue of trust. Mr. Rushing asserts (and challenged us to find evidence to the contrary) that al-Jazeera television never once showed a beheading. Mind you - not that they didn't show excerpts from the videos (as did the US media) but that they didn't show the actual beheadings themselves. In other words, they reported no differently than US and other international media did. Mr. Rushing avers that the viewership of al-Jazeera knows this, and when Secretary Rumsfeld stood in front of the cameras lambasting al-Jazeera for showing the beheadings, he lost credibility with the audience.
2. Al-Jazeera as the "Mouthpiece of Al-Qaeda." True, al-Jazeera has been a preferred place for al-Qaeda tapes to premier. But Mr. Rushing points out the wording of the disclaimer on al-Jazeera.com - the part where it says "Aljazeera Publishing disassociates itself from the views, opinions and broadcasts of Jazeera Space Channel TV station." is explicit aimed at protecting the .com people from the fatwas issued against the network for their support of Zionism and us. Support being defined as not being a reliable mouthpiece for... al-Qaeda.
3. His third point, I've already covered - the distinction to be made between the .net and .com entities - a subject too complex for this post.
He then moved on to discuss what he thought the US should do in the arena. He called for 'limited strategic engagement'. Mr. Rushing says there are two centers of gravity in the ME. Mosques, and al-Jazeera. We can't realistically get into the mosques, nor should we. But we can, should, and in fact *must* get into ME television sets. Find the progressive journalists (in the ME context of progressive) and give them access. His point being that if we continue to stiff-arm the biggest television voice in the ME, *someone*, usually the opposition, will fill the void.
Mr. Rushing pointed out that the US Gov engage with al-Jazeera. So, al-Jazeera then defaults to conservative think tanks to find people who will speak up *for* US interests. But the conservative think tanks don't trust al-Jazeera much either, and will usually only come on for a fee, with the attendant baggage that brings from a journalistic perspective. So they go to liberal think tanks, who are happy to come on for free - which then sets up the situation where people who *don't* really support US policy are brought on to *defend* US policy - and generally don't. Now you see why they're happy to come on al-Jazeera for free. Mr. Rushing suggests the USGov does itself, and by extension, the rest of us a dis-service by what he sees as the government's fundamental misunderstanding of al-Jazeera.
He talked about his own experience dealing with the USGov as an al-Jazeera correspondent. He said military people, to include senior military people, will engage him and al-Jazeera (hey, he was there talking to us, right?). But the senior DoD civilians stiff-arm him. He certainly knew his audience.
He had some other policy suggestions.
First - train soldiers down to the squad level on how to deal with the press. Not make them PAOs, but train them in how to engage with reporters, *and* report the results of those engagements up the chain, quickly, so that the PAO can be more proactive in responding. His term? A "media ninja".
On a more macro level, he brought up the "split branding" of the United States, i.e., on one hand, anger and annoyance with US foreign policy, while on the other hand, those same people many times can't wait to get here and make it home. He has a simple solution.
Be consistent. If we're going to act in what we perceive to be our best interest from a pragmatic point of view - then tell people that. But don't talk one thing and do another - or let the perception be that you're doing another if in fact you don't intend to be doing so.
More simply put - Change the message to match the policy, or change the policy to match the message.
Of course nothing in Life, the Universe, and Everything is that simple, is it?
Interesting fellow, who is treading an interesting path.
I don't know what I expected, but what I got was a tallish fellow with bright blue eyes, standing there looking tired in a blue suit, mauve shirt, and a striped tie.
He didn't look like the Devil Incarnate. He has an interesting view worthy of consideration. All in context. He does work for al-Jazeera, so he obviously has an interest in changing the perception of al-Jazeera.
But that doesn't mean that our perception of al-Jazeera is accurate, and that he doesn't have reasons other than the obvious professional ones for doing what he's doing.
Glad I went.
Reporting As Ordered, Sir! �
very interesting.
and i shall accordingly suspend my prior pre-judgment until i learn more.
it does raise one question, though... you can tell that a shirt is "mauve"??
posted by
MajMike on December 6, 2006 8:42 AM
Well, mauve is less cumbersome than "pale, bluish purple"...
As for Mr. Rushing, time will tell. He certainly has a good reason to tell the story as he does - but at the same time, his popularity on the military lecture circuit says something.
posted by
John of Argghhh! on December 6, 2006 8:49 AM
I completely agree with Mr. Rush's assertion that the US needs to do more with Middle Eastern media outlets. Yes they have an agenda and yes it is counter to ours. So what? So does most of the MSM. I watched Al Arabiya when I was in Dubai and I read AlJazeera (dot com and dot net) and Jihad Unspun. You need to see all sides, heck, I listen to NPR. All kidding aside, AlJazeera is not the total terrorist tool it's made out to be. I read a hugely interesting article in Foreign Policy magazine about the fact that AlJazeera.net recognizes that it is for many Arabs their only portal on the rest of the world. They take that seriously and make an effort to include interviews with Israelis. We need to counter negative opinion in the Middle East and we can't do that from the sidelines.
If AlJazeera English was available on my cable listing, I would work it in. It wouldn't knock out CSpan or FoxNews, but it would beat out CNN. At least AlJazeera is upfront about their agenda.
posted by
Maggie on December 6, 2006 9:35 AM
Amazing!
Close mouth.
Suspend initial reaction.
Open ears.
Evaluate.
If you can teach this to the 80% of adults who are totally clueless in regards to this simple procedure, you would be worthy of a Nobel Prize.
posted by Russ Sanders on December 6, 2006 9:45 AM
Maggie - go to Al-jazeera.net, select "English" and you can stream the video reports.
As Josh noted in his pitch "What you see depends on where you stand."
Trite, but true.
posted by
John of Argghhh! on December 6, 2006 10:56 AM
You see, John, just HOW important your blog is?
I LEARNED SOMETHING here that means more to me than if I had sat in a classroom and listened to
an academician Of The Left. I would have not been as willing to listen.
You don't spin things...YOU PUT THEM IN CONTEXT.
A rare gift.
And that goes for the readership and posters too.
You have no idea how much I do take in when I am able to devote my full attention to something.
posted by Cricket on December 6, 2006 12:20 PM
Cricket
Not all the time. John likes to post photos out of context in order to see his faithful readers spin. Then comes the counter-spin as tangents and false leads are followed. Then the distracting "hints" ...
Cheers
posted by J.M. Heinrichs on December 6, 2006 3:15 PM
So the CUlture Centric Warfare people return and volley inthe tennis match that is the argument of Hammer vs CCW. Interesting.
He puts another bit into place for why I believe in the bifurcation of roles: Big War and Non-Big War. Asking for everyone in the military to be super-soldiers or Swiss Army knives cuts down on the viable population for service. How many people out there really are polymaths?
If he ever does a CSPAN taped event I'll be sure to watch.
posted by ry on December 6, 2006 3:43 PM
JMH: 8^)
posted by
John of Argghhh! on December 6, 2006 3:53 PM
Well...I feel about as foolish as the others who had to close mouths and re-evaluate. Thanks for another eye opening lesson.
posted by
Coach Mark on December 6, 2006 4:04 PM
I do watch the streaming video, actually I listen more than I watch. I was talking about having it on TV so when I was home I could just have it on. I don't really care to *watch* much on the computer. I like having it on while I do stuff around the house...........is this enough info about the Princess' viewing habits? Do you want to know what it is I'm doing? What I'm wearing?
posted by
Maggie on December 6, 2006 4:41 PM
Nah, we've already heard all we need to about your undergarments and the differences between flashing and mooning...
posted by
John of Argghhh! on December 6, 2006 4:52 PM
LOL, I am wounded! Are you saying the mystery is gone?
posted by
Maggie on December 6, 2006 5:33 PM
Hey John, did Rushing have anything to say about CENTCOM paying for good press scandal that went on last year? Did he use that as proof of 'we don't know jack'?
posted by ry on December 6, 2006 6:11 PM
Why Ry? Do you have a problem with that? I think it's perfectly acceptable. It's common practice there. This is a case where "Everyone's doin' it." is an acceptable answer. It's not underhanded. It's the way things are done. Don't forget - they paid, yes - but the stories were true.
posted by
Maggie on December 6, 2006 6:29 PM
Yes, Ry, he did as a matter of fact. I countered with the appalling attempt by Big Army to reel in bloggers with "exclusive content" that was not only not exclusive, but wasn't even well-disguised recruiting ads.
posted by
John of Argghhh! on December 6, 2006 8:29 PM
Maggie - Rushing's point on that issue was... we talk about establishing a 'free and independent press' and then we start doing what all the local state-owned or cowed media does.
The message doesn't match the policy.
posted by
John of Argghhh! on December 6, 2006 8:39 PM
Well ya gotta start somewhere! We advocate a safe democracy for them, but we're starting off with heavily armed curfews. We have to get our stuff in front of their disapproving little faces before we can establish a free and independent press.
posted by
Maggie on December 6, 2006 9:12 PM
Off the subject, only slightly... when we were stationed in Bahrain (before the US State Dept kicked us out in 2004) I was confused noting that the local and very popular grocery store was also named Al Jazeera! The name is everywhere. I, for one, wouldn't have automatically assumed the connection.
posted by US Navy Wife on December 6, 2006 11:50 PM
"Why Ry? Do you have a problem with that? I think it's perfectly acceptable. It's common practice there. This is a case where "Everyone's doin' it." is an acceptable answer. It's not underhanded. It's the way things are done. Don't forget - they paid, yes - but the stories were true."
Ack. I'm not used to having the eye of the Blog Princess on me like this. Make her stop, Chief!
Maggs, I was only trying to feel out where Rushing was going. Trying to find out what he felt worked and was good tactics in the Public Affairs/Hearts and Minds arena. Just trying to feel out where the borders of his thoughts are in relation to mine own.
Though I do differ on the 'it's perfectly acceptable'. To me it was dumb because of the negative effect finding out the 'astroturfing' would have on the H&M campaign.
It's like finding out that a critical study on car safety was bankrolled by General Motors. It easily can generate the feeling that people are being manipulated, lied to, and the buyer/occupier is duplicitous(something the Arabs seem pre-disposed to based on my readings of Col de Atkine).
Fair? Probably. Order of the day in the region? Most likely. Effective and smart(particularly that we're dealing with a leak of secrets just about every week)?
The truthfulness of the reportage is immaterial if the general impression resulting from it is negative and counter-productive. I might just like this Rushing guy or at least agree with him on some crucial things. I am the most active member of the CCC after all.
"Yes, Ry, he did as a matter of fact. I countered with the appalling attempt by Big Army to reel in bloggers with "exclusive content" that was not only not exclusive, but wasn't even well-disguised recruiting ads." LOL. So you disagreed by agreeing to the 'we don't know jack' then?
I often wonder how we would feel if the military came up with a compatent PR wing? Would we feel safe? Would we feel, collectively I'm speaking here, more afraid of the 'military-industrial complex'? Just because it's effective doesn't necessarily mean it is the right thing to do. Even if we aren't fighting a 3rd Generation type war but one centered mostly in the skulls of the American populace as the means to secure victory by our opponents. Am I nuts here? (mostly thinking on the fly).
Oh, and whatever you did has stopped the error messages. Which means my spelling goes back to complete crap from just mostly crap. Never would've suspected that I was once second overall in my elementary school all grades spelling bee would you? ;)
posted by ry on December 7, 2006 1:39 AM
And Navy Wife hits on the core of the copyright suit. al-Jazeera apparently means either 'the island' or 'the peninsula' in arabic, and is, in fact, a very common business name.
Kind of like the flurry of copyright suits that the french clothing designer Claude Montana was threatening to businesses in... Montana, for using the name Montana. He never did get around to trying to sue the state itself.
IIRC (and I could be wrong) he was taking advantage of then-recent changes in EU copyright laws, and was bringing actions mostly to show he was trying to protect the brand, without really having an expectation of winning. Still, musta been scary to be some little business getting threatening letters from high-powered lawyers.
posted by
John of Argghhh! on December 7, 2006 6:05 AM
But Ry - It didn't hurt us over there and that's what mattered. The bad taste in the mouth happened back home and frankly, who cares! The MSM almost universally picks at whatever we do over there so F#$^% 'em. The point of the operation was to get our story out to that population. The people of the ME thought nothing of our paying to get it there.
posted by
Maggie on December 7, 2006 7:44 AM
Maggie - Rushing's contention is that it *did* hurt us over there, because our actions didn't match our words... IOW, we were little different on the issues of the Press than are the local governments over there - yet we are claiming to be.
And that the locals note the failures more than the successes, and since we're trying to buck the tide, we have to be more consistent - and consistently different.
I'm with Ry on this one.
posted by
John of Argghhh! on December 7, 2006 7:52 AM
You know, what has me wondering is this: Why would the media accept Dan Rather's obviously
faked memos, the photoshopped evidence, yadda yadda if there was no propaganda value in it that served an agenda? I mean, come on. If we are to insist on accuracy in reporting, we need to hold those who lie accountable.
That isn't censorship to demand integrity in reporting.
But to not understand a culture like Islam in light of what they are given to percieve is naive. Having an American former member of the military in there will be interesting to see how he walks the walk.
I wonder, all you former commanders out there; would you go with just perceptions if you had to deploy your troops in harms way, or would you want to know more about the cultural climate (the reality) before you did so? And which would be more helpful?
And does anyone even understand what I just asked, cause I am not sure I understand it...
*takes deep breath to quit hyperventilating*
posted by Cricket on December 7, 2006 9:44 AM
Rushing states it better than I can. 'Acts don't match message.' If they think we're exactly like the regimes they've lived with there's nothing stopping them from throwing support to someone who is THe Big Guy on The Block. There's no moral or ideological difference so why not go with the guy who is controlling the streets, and then switch loyalties if it earns me a couple of bucks and keeps my family safe? They're all lying bastiches who use the people and abandone them when it suits----that's the message it sends, or can send.
And in case you keep missing what I'm saying about the talk to Iran and Syria thing: losing the domestic US audience means game over, Last Helicopter Outta Saigon all over again. It matters Maggs.
I could give a flaming crap about what the MSM does. I hated English and Communications majors when I was an undergrad because I thought they were useless twits unable to think about anything other than 'am I being paid attention to?' with all their concern about having great leads and 'hooks' in their writing. Just because they're jerks who don't care about the ramifications doesn't mean there aren't any and WE should worry about same. They can go screwball themselves. But acting like them does breed cynicism---look at how we think of the media.
I think I get what you're asking Cricket, but not the expert you want the answer from. You're asking if a commander wants some real understanding of the region and the culture he's about to deploy into? Foreign Affairs Officers exist. So I'd say yes. THere's even an institutional slot to make sure such knowledge is available. But I'm not ex-military so you might want someone to corroborate or totally destroy my answer before you accept it.
posted by ry on December 8, 2006 5:55 AM
But even FAOs are suspect. Journalism is about
integrity in recording history. To be fair, one does have to report the other side, but outright
lies? Is that Al Jazeera's perception of us, or
propaganda based on an agenda?
The Rathergate scandal led to a victory in the elections for our side, but that was a case of bloggers hollering foul loud enough that the MSM couldn't ignore it.
Those who point out factual errors within the theopolitics of Islam are silenced. Let us look at Al Jazeera's take on the Flying Imams.
So does Al Jazeera have an American posterboy to
silence criticism or to explain cultural differences or spin?
And I appreciated your answer, Ry. I would call that honest.
posted by Cricket on December 8, 2006 7:57 AM
� Dismissed, Soldier!
A little spirit of the season.
There's giving, and then there's... giving. What I give, I really don't miss. Not in any real causing-of-pain way. I don't know (or care) how much was given here, but I'm impressed that anything was given at all. On many levels. Good on yaz, Trias. However much our donation was appreciated, yours outscores us in karma.
Reporting As Ordered, Sir! �
How embarassing. I'm not really worthy of such praise. The organisers and action people of such things are who donate vast amounts of time and effort are. I did it once with my Aunty long ago so I know what's involved. And of course the Soldiers who recieve are also worth it.
To rebalance the karma I need everyone else to donate something or I shall die of karma embarassment disorder. Is this sufficient cajoling?
How about if I claim werekitty will loose her libido? Ry his verbosity? Too unrealistic?
posted by
Trias on December 5, 2006 10:24 PM
"werekitty lose her libido"
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Ya'll better empty those pockets and save me!
(oh... and Ry too. I'd hate to silence that boy)
posted by WereKitty on December 5, 2006 10:27 PM
WereKitty lose her libido?? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA......
posted by 1sg Keith on December 5, 2006 10:29 PM
It could happen you know.
In an alternate universe.
Where procreation doesn't exist.
Or dancing poles....
posted by WereKitty on December 5, 2006 10:32 PM
Of things that COULD happen, WereKitty losing her libido is just way, way, WAY down at the bottom of the list...
posted by 1sg keith on December 5, 2006 10:35 PM
Hmmm. [Calls up PG-17C diagnostic screen]
All righty then, all green!
posted by
John of Argghhh! on December 5, 2006 10:38 PM
"Of things that COULD happen, WereKitty losing her libido is just way, way, WAY down at the bottom of the list..."
.... and hosts of angels were heard on high, singing GOD BLESS US EVERYONE! For the good people of Earth have loosened their purse-strings and saved the sex drive of that shameless hussy, WereKitty! *cue angelic singing*
hey.
it could happen.
posted by WereKitty on December 5, 2006 10:41 PM
It COULD happen.
my ears COULD fall off and you'd have nothing to hold on to....
It COULD happen....
posted by 1sg keith on December 5, 2006 10:47 PM
Verbosity? Hmmm. Nope that's ingrained in the DNA Trias. Maybe if you promise that if they donate you'll do some kind of genetic treatment to treat me for verbosity they'll give more?
posted by ry on December 6, 2006 1:36 AM
And we have another *Castle ARGGHHH! First* -- a thread that was hijacked ab initio!
posted by
BillT on December 6, 2006 6:47 AM
I try, Bill. All in the name of entertainment.... not to mention a very worthy charity.
posted by WereKitty on December 6, 2006 7:45 AM
� Dismissed, Soldier!
A serious blog survey.
I met David Perlmutter (in digits) via email during the recent Israeli invasion of Lebanon, while I was helping Bob Owens of Confederate Yankee debunk the doctored pictures.
David is a photojournalist himself, who wrote an article in Editor and Publisher about the danger the photoshopping posed to ethical journalism. He is on the faculty at Kansas University, just down the road.
He's also interested in blogs and blogging. Heck, he sends his students to go read SWWBO!
Anyway - KU and Wisconsin are collaborating on a study of blogs. SWWBO was in the first wave of the survey. The Castle is in the second wave. If you've got some time, click the link below and take the survey. It's not too painful, I took it for SWWBO. And I'm not going to be hurt (nor will I know, either) if you aren't listing the Castle in the Top 5 blogs you visit every day. This place ain't striving any more to be that kind of place. We're where you come to relax.
Click here to take the survey.
If you missed it at SWWBO's, go here.
Well, unless Sanger or Ry has a hair up. Then it can get lively. When they have the results, we'll publish 'em if they'll let us.
Reporting As Ordered, Sir! �
It's 1:30... and I'm the first comment of the day? JEEZ. People with *real* jobs... get in the way of all of the fun.
I took the survey, John.
posted by afsister on December 5, 2006 12:30 PM
jim b saunters in and sits.
So AFsis, tell me then what brings a nice lady like you to a place like this?
A.Political action
B.News
C.Hanging with people who share your views
D.Total Boredom
E.Sincere desire to improve your mind
After being here do you feel:
A.Enlightened
B.Refreshed
C.Confused
D.Violated
After being here would you come back:
A.Frequently
B.Semi Frequently
C.Rarely
D.When Hell Freezes Over
Reading other people's comments makes you:
1.Laugh Out Loud
2.Feel a Strong Gag Reflex Reaction
3.Seek Mental Help
4.Take Off Your Clothes, Set Your Hair on Fire, Run Out into the Streets and Do Damage.
posted by
jim b on December 5, 2006 12:50 PM
Is "all of the above" a choice, Jim? How about "most of the time" for 4b?
posted by AFSister on December 5, 2006 1:14 PM
HEY!! That IS me ^($^#)*%%&^ relaxing!!!
Sheesh, canchew tell!?!?
---
BTW, not a bad survey either... Be interesting to see the result.
posted by
SangerM on December 5, 2006 1:54 PM
Huh? Why and what am I getting castigated for now? Geez. Don't even do anything, yet, and I'm getting looked at askance. Do one little thing, like build a rep for being brittle, and people never let you forget it. Jeeez;)
posted by ry on December 5, 2006 4:53 PM
John, I think it says top five political blogs. Niether SWWBO or Argghhh! really fit the category of 'political'. There's definitely a philosophy underlying both, but neither is a soapbox primarily to espouse either. When they say political I think of things like The Corner, The Plank, Red State, DKos, etc. Argghhh, SWWBO, B5, etc, occupy a different genre (milblog---while having a political component at times the main focus isn't politics, unlike at The Corner.).
If they include Argghhh as a political blog then we're working from wildly different def'n and they need to tell us test takers what their def'n is to ensure they get good data. Experimental design is always a hassle.
posted by ry on December 5, 2006 5:36 PM
I dont' think the assumption is that Argghhh! will appear in your choices. I think they're really trying to measure who reads blogs, and what they read for what purpose - more than determining a ranking or interest in a specific blog.
That's why there's big blogs and little blogs in the list, as well as those of us in the middle.
But I'll still send your comments to Dave.
posted by
John of Argghhh! on December 5, 2006 5:51 PM
Well over at the WeBlog Awards you have made it into the top 250 blogs. Not bad.
posted by Cricket on December 5, 2006 9:17 PM
Thanks, Cricket - but it also means for the first time ever, I wasn't a finalist in the milblogs category.
Which is kinda sad, but, I haven't been keeping up my end of things, either.
I guess I really *am* retired, now.
Damn that beard is grey.
posted by
John of Argghhh! on December 5, 2006 9:23 PM
I was thinking that too Ry. To me Arghh is quasi political. We'd all be driving the porcelain bus if it were pure politics I think.
posted by
Trias on December 5, 2006 10:29 PM
We'd all be driving the porcelain bus if it were pure politics I think.
Gad, I'm not sure I've been insulted, or just gotten a back-handed compliment, or what...
posted by
John of Argghhhh! on December 5, 2006 10:36 PM
� Dismissed, Soldier!
Jules Crittenden, on "The Dream of Mature Nations"
This will incite the maple-syrup swillers, perhaps.
A number of Canadians took offense recently to a Boston Herald column in which I slammed Canada and Europe in general for failing to hold up its end in this war for democracy, freedom and security. Specificially, I slammed them for being smug democracies that do little to help the truly oppressed of this world, while throwing insults at us and obstacles in our way.
Whatever I thought about their government's attitude toward Iraq, and the insults that were leveled at our president, Canadian soldiers have been fighting and dying in Afghanistan.
I would like to commend and thank the Canadians and others for what they are doing in Afghanistan, and to express my respect for their sacrifices.
But I would still like to know where the Canadians, the French and the Germans in particular were when we needed them in Iraq ... if only to get out of the way. In fact, we could use a lot more troops in Iraq right now. More to the point, the Iraqis could use a lot more troops. They could also use the knowledge that the world actually gives a damn and is willing to stand with them, rather than always against us.
Some people say they don't want the French there ... deer hunting with an accordian. Some people say coordinating a multinational force can create as many problems as it solves. More to the point, most people would say this is all idle and pointless dreaming.
But I'm an optimist and a dreamer. Why not? Tens of thousands of troops flooding in, under NATO leadership, to engage aggressively as we've seen them do in Afghanistan. Do these nations care about Iraq? They claim to. Do they care about freedom and stability in the Middle East? They pretend to. So let's end the hypocrisy. We all know what is needed in Iraq. It isn't a pullout.
Read the rest here.
Reporting As Ordered, Sir! �
Listen Up !!
The course of the war has changed, we are on the way out. The people you work for THE AMERICAN TAXPAYERS have made their decision.
Iraq will go down in history as the worst debacle EVER for our country.
It will be shown that although a small group of men in Washington can get us into a war, it is a lot harder to get us out of one.
posted by John Ryan on December 5, 2006 1:13 PM
Um, John, a few points.
1. Jules works for the Boston Herald, not The American Taxpayer.
2. I work for a commercial consulting entity, not The American Taxpayer.
3. I believe Bill now works for a commercial consulting entity, but I know he's not working for The American Taxpayer.
4. Dusty works for a commercial logistics firm, not The American Taxpayer.
5. The American Voters may have spoken, but many of them are *not* taxpayers, they get it all back and sometimes some extra, too. They do generally pay sales taxes, true, but I think, if you're going to come here and rant at us, you should at least have some verbal precision and understanding of Who We Are.
Just sayin'.
And the voters didn't explicitly say "Get out of Iraq" as much as they said, "Get us out of this mess we perceive it to be." I'm guessing the voters will be happy with a solution that doesn't "Get Us Out Of Iraq" if it evolves into a solution to the problem.
Certainly getting out of Iraq right now is one approach. But I don't think it was mandated (and, I suspect in the long run, the whole plan was to "get out of Iraq").
And I suspect that if a miracle were to occur, and what Jules is talking about were to happen - i.e., the international community truly step up to the plate - well, that solution would satisfy those taxpayers you are so interested in.
BTW - I *do* pay taxes. Enough so that I'm playing chicken with the AMT. How 'bout you?
posted by
John of Argghhh! on December 5, 2006 2:07 PM
Are you suggesting most Americans don't pay tax? No wonder so many want to go to America.
The only thing voters explicitly do is vote. Given the Democrats position was leaving Iraq I do think they have a reasonable mandate to leave Iraq sooner rather than later.
Jules is spouting too much bull for me to be bothered with it.
posted by
Trias on December 5, 2006 10:00 PM
Fair enough, Trias - but yes, via the arcane nature of the tax code, many Americans effectively pay little or no income tax. At both ends of the spectrum.
posted by
John of Argghhh! on December 5, 2006 10:12 PM
1. That AMT pi$$e$ me off more than John Murtha. At least now that I'm back to being a humble technical college employee I shouldn't have to worry about it.
2. My question to John Ryan and other's from the left is, "Since you are not engaged in the war, there is no draft, the economy is surviving, most likely nobody you personally know has been killed, wounded or even deployed then why do you even care?" Could it be that the whole "anti-war" movement is either:
1. A knee-jerk reaction originating in the left's Viet Nam hangover, or...
2. An excuse to bash the right in general and the Commander-n-Chief, in particular.
I’m sure the real reason(s) for the anti-war vitriol is/are more complex than this, but probably no less ridiculous.
posted by Oldloadr on December 6, 2006 7:35 AM
� Dismissed, Soldier!
Book Review: Sea of Thunder, by Evan Thomas.
I like Simon and Schuster. They send me books to read.
This is a title I would not have bought, simply because of competition for shelf space and time, but I'm glad I got it to read. Made me expand myself a bit.
The book is Sea of Thunder - Four Commanders and the Last Great Naval Campaign, 1941-45, by Newsweek journalist Evan Thomas.
I've not read a quick-reading one volume history of WWII in the Pacific, except in context of the land campaigns. So I've read several detailed histories of some of the battles covered here, but I've never really had a sense of the overall flow of the Naval Campaign. I say naval campaign in caps there because the book is not about MacArthur's Navy, the 7th Fleet, nor does it touch on the land campaigns much, except where needful.
This is the story of the maneuverings, nautical and political and personal, of the Big Blue Fleet, mostly when under the command of Admiral Halsey, and the Imperial Japanese Fleet, as they strove to achieve the Decisive Battle in the Pacific Theater, told via the wartime careers of 4 naval officers. Admiral Halsey, commander of the Big Blue Fleet. Commander Ernest Evans, skipper of the USS Johnston, a ship and captain made famous in the Last Stand of the Tin-Can Sailors at Leyte Gulf. Admiral Takeo Kurita, commander of the Second Fleet on it's last, ill-fated sortie, and Admiral Matome Ugaki, commander of the biggest battleships ever built, the Musashi and Yamato, and who would achieve a sad fame as "The Last Kamikaze".
Thomas makes good use of Japanese sources to give the reader a far more nuanced view of the Japanese Navy and it's commanders and sailors than I have read elsewhere (a failing that may be more due to my soldierly, vice naval, interests). It was especially eerie to see the witless paranoia and fantasy that the Japanese Imperial Staff engaged in that mirrored that of the German General Staff, comprised, as both were, of people far too removed from the fighting and who held their positions due to being good staff weenies and game-players than deep-thinking strategists.
He also strips away any lingering pedestals for Halsey and Evans, applying as he does, the one thing about the book that annoyed me. Evans lets his "90's kind of guy" sensibilities suffuse his writing, as he makes sure we all know that these guys were, in many ways, uncultured, sorta uncouth, and racist (especially Halsey). I don't mind truth-telling. It's far more useful to know that Halsey was so affected by the stress of his job that he had psychosomatic illnesses and yet kept on doing his job, than the image of an unbreakable man at the helm. Humanizing these men is a good thing. There are just moments in passing where Evan's lets his sensitivities mar his prose, to my ear. Your mileage may vary.
[Update: Heh. I fell into my own rhetorical trap - *I* still think Halsey did a great job overall, and that Evans *earned* his Medal of Honor, whatever we after-the-fact guessers have to say. They were the "Man in the Arena" many of us are the cold and timid souls who know neither victory of defeat. That said - you have to be able to look past the aura and see the truth, to both try to learn from the mistakes, and, in the final analysis - makes great people greater, as you learn of the real cost of doing what at the time seemed so easy, because we wanted it to appear that they were Olympians. -the Armorer]
But if that's the only complaint I have, it's not much.
I suspect my compadres of the Naval community will not find much in here that is new or revelatory, aside from the Japanese perspective. I admit to being a little surprised at the unity of command issues and long-running sore of strategic comms, and how Naval Tradition (with those caps) got in the way at times, but no more so than happened with MacArthur. I was completely unaware of the effective incompetence of the highest levels of the Japanese armed forces, simply because I really had never paid attention to the Japanese side of the war from the operational and strategic end of things.
My recommendation? If you like military history and aren't looking for geek-level reading, it's worth the money. If you aren't that up on the naval campaign in the Pacific in WWII, and would like an easy-to-read precis on the last gasp of the Gun Club Admirals and the rise of carrier warfare, as well as an interesting window into the Japanese, this book will fit that niche. If you've never read naval history before, this is a good introduction to the subject - well written in an easy to read style, and decent history from a substance perspective. If you're a serious naval historian/geek, unless the Japanese side of this is new to you, there isn't much in here for that level of reader, except that if it's a subject you last read about in Samuel Eliot Morison's history of the war some time ago, it might be a good way to revisit the topic and refresh those neurons. Especially if you've moved from junior officer to more senior officer in the intervening years. Revisiting the subject might cause you to see some things you didn't notice the first time.
A good Christmas gift for the naval enthusiast in your group who doesn't already know enough to write a book themselves... In other words, if I hadn't read it already, it would have been a good choice for me! (Thanks, Leah!)
Sea of Thunder, by Evan Thomas. Released November 2006 by Simon and Schuster. List $27, online $18.90 or less.
Coming up later this week: Masters of the Air, by Donald Miller.
Reporting As Ordered, Sir! �
*I* have an autographed copy! Neenerneener!
I met this guy over at the Kennedy Museum and then went to see him speak about the book in Harvard Square. He was great.
posted by
Maggie on December 4, 2006 8:43 AM
Heh. Mine was free. Plllppppt!
posted by
John of Argghhh! on December 4, 2006 8:45 AM
Right, mine is worth more.
posted by
Maggie on December 4, 2006 9:20 AM
Interesting perspective.
Actually, mine wasn't free. It took the hours of my time to read it, and the hour to compose the review.
Which is worth a lot more than $19 at my billable rate.
posted by
John of Argghhh! on December 4, 2006 9:21 AM
Are we discussing your hourly rate? Does it include the room? LOL
posted by
Maggie on December 4, 2006 9:42 AM
I'm a Beltway Bandit, Maggie. If I'm providing the room, that's extra. Yer paying per diem, too. But we always meet our deliverables. Just make sure what you ask for is really what you want.
posted by
John of Argghhh! on December 4, 2006 9:51 AM
Surprised to see it wasn't mentioned today, but Happy St. Barbara's Day from a fellow Redleg. May all who work with sudden explosions have a safe and happy day.
Regards,
Mike
posted by Mike Greene on December 4, 2006 9:32 PM
*Every* day is Saint Barbara's Day at Castle Argghhh!
posted by
Justthisguy on December 5, 2006 9:14 PM
Oops. Mike - reality is, I never keep the date straight. In all those years of wearing the scarlet facings, we never once celebrated her day *on* the day...
posted by
John of Argghhh! on December 5, 2006 9:18 PM
� Dismissed, Soldier!
A Commonwealth moment.
News of our Brothers-in-Arms from Canada and Australia.
The Canadians lost a Regimental Sergeant Major in Afghanistan. That is the equivalent in the US Army of losing a Command Sergeant Major, the senior Non-commissioned officer in a battalion-and-higher unit.
CAPT H sent me this, from the Globe and Mail:
Suicide bomber robs regiment of its soul.
When Robert Girouard was killed, his unit lost more than its Chief Warrant Officer.
CHRISTIE BLATCHFORD
From Saturday's Globe and Mail
As Chief Warrant Officer Robert (Bobby) Girouard and Corporal Albert Storm came home to Canada last night, their flag-draped caskets arriving at CFB Trenton in a light rain, there was nothing to tell the non-military observer what a profound loss he was witnessing.
While the army properly grieves every fallen soldier equally, regardless of rank, the death of CWO Girouard was felt keenly not only on a personal level, but also as an enormous symbolic blow.
The 46-year-old husband and father of three wasn't just the senior non-commissioned officer of the 1st Battalion Royal Canadian Regiment, he was also the unit's Regimental Sergeant Major, the first of about 25 RSMs in the battalion's storied 123-year history to be killed by enemy action.
He and 36-year-old Cpl. Storm, a native of Fort Erie, Ont., and a father of two, died Monday when their Bison armoured personnel carrier was struck by a suicide bomber just west of the main base at Kandahar Air Field.
You should read the rest of Ms. Blatchford's piece, and can do so here.
Canada's warriors have had their own problems with the media not covering them all that well - if at all, topics mentioned elsewhere. What I think interesting in this story is how Ms. Blatchford, recognizing her lack of knowledge on the subject, chose to do some research.
She did do by using the Canadian Army Forums to gain some understanding.
Our own Damian, of The Torch, made a contribution to that thread. One that is illustrative of a good Sergeant Major. His co-blogger, Mark, has more to say on the subject.
Now is the time at Castle Argghhh! when we dance: In Memoriam.
On a more upbeat note - Canadian Armour goes driving in the countryside. In Afghanistan. I do like The Torch's take on it.
Shifting over to Australia, Trias sends us this link showing that just day to day work in the military anywhere is dangerous. At least if you're training like you mean business.
Reporting As Ordered, Sir! �
Leaked memos seem far too often a political ploy to me.
Rumsfield is history now, the new one will be trying to call the shots instead.
posted by
Trias on December 3, 2006 1:32 PM
American Marine Mom, long-time resident of Canada, many a bout of "blood spurting from my eyes" (as Glenn Beck says) from living in a country where the government has been contemptuous of the military for decades, until recent election of Conservative Party. About Christie Blatchford: The Blatch is the Best. Probably the best genuine investigative reporter in Canada, began by crashing male sports preserves (hockey locker rooms) and made her second career in crime/courtoom reporting. Always does her homework when no one else does. Glad you have discovered her. The day the National Post let her leave was a tragedy-- the best paper lost the best reporter. But she's worth reading anywhere. Ooh-rah for Christie.
posted by
Marine Mom on December 5, 2006 11:14 AM
� Dismissed, Soldier!
Mr. Rumsfeld's Memo.
Let's leave aside the issues of governance by leak, etc. Apparently, once you reach a certain level, leaking classified information is a promotion criteria. Until you reach that level, you get to at least get fired, and sometimes go to jail. I never made it to the top, obviously, because the thought of leaking classified material, even inadvertently, makes this blog a far different thing than it could be. (However briefly, before I got to go reside in the Big House.)
Rumsfeld's memo as published by the NYT (I'm thinking there's no copyright violation here by me...)
Nov. 6, 2006
SUBJECT: Iraq � Illustrative New Courses of Action
The situation in Iraq has been evolving, and U.S. forces have adjusted, over time, from major combat operations to counterterrorism, to counterinsurgency, to dealing with death squads and sectarian violence. In my view it is time for a major adjustment. Clearly, what U.S. forces are currently doing in Iraq is not working well enough or fast enough. Following is a range of options:
ILLUSTRATIVE OPTIONS
Above the Line: (Many of these options could and, in a number of cases, should be done in combination with others)
�Publicly announce a set of benchmarks agreed to by the Iraqi Government and the U.S. � political, economic and security goals � to chart a path ahead for the Iraqi government and Iraqi people (to get them moving) and for the U.S. public (to reassure them that progress can and is being made).
�Significantly increase U.S. trainers and embeds, and transfer more U.S. equipment to Iraqi Security forces (ISF), to further accelerate their capabilities by refocusing the assignment of some significant portion of the U.S. troops currently in Iraq.
�Initiate a reverse embeds program, like the Korean Katusas, by putting one or more Iraqi soldiers with every U.S. and possibly Coalition squad, to improve our units� language capabilities and cultural awareness and to give the Iraqis experience and training with professional U.S. troops.
�Aggressively beef up the Iraqi MOD and MOI, and other Iraqi ministries critical to the success of the ISF � the Iraqi Ministries of Finance, Planning, Health, Criminal Justice, Prisons, etc. � by reaching out to U.S. military retirees and Reserve/National Guard volunteers (i.e., give up on trying to get other USG Departments to do it.)
�Conduct an accelerated draw-down of U.S. bases. We have already reduced from 110 to 55 bases. Plan to get down to 10 to 15 bases by April 2007, and to 5 bases by July 2007.
�Retain high-end SOF capability and necessary support structure to target Al Qaeda, death squads, and Iranians in Iraq, while drawing down all other Coalition forces, except those necessary to provide certain key enablers for the ISF.
�Initiate an approach where U.S. forces provide security only for those provinces or cities that openly request U.S. help and that actively cooperate, with the stipulation being that unless they cooperate fully, U.S. forces would leave their province.
�Stop rewarding bad behavior, as was done in Fallujah when they pushed in reconstruction funds, and start rewarding good behavior. Put our reconstruction efforts in those parts of Iraq that are behaving, and invest and create havens of opportunity to reward them for their good behavior. As the old saying goes, �If you want more of something, reward it; if you want less of something, penalize it.� No more reconstruction assistance in areas where there is violence.
�Position substantial U.S. forces near the Iranian and Syrian borders to reduce infiltration and, importantly, reduce Iranian influence on the Iraqi Government.
�Withdraw U.S. forces from vulnerable positions � cities, patrolling, etc. � and move U.S. forces to a Quick Reaction Force (QRF) status, operating from within Iraq and Kuwait, to be available when Iraqi security forces need assistance.
�Begin modest withdrawals of U.S. and Coalition forces (start �taking our hand off the bicycle seat�), so Iraqis know they have to pull up their socks, step up and take responsibility for their country.
�Provide money to key political and religious leaders (as Saddam Hussein did), to get them to help us get through this difficult period.
�Initiate a massive program for unemployed youth. It would have to be run by U.S. forces, since no other organization could do it.
�Announce that whatever new approach the U.S. decides on, the U.S. is doing so on a trial basis. This will give us the ability to readjust and move to another course, if necessary, and therefore not �lose.�
�Recast the U.S. military mission and the U.S. goals (how we talk about them) � go minimalist.
Below the Line (less attractive options):
�Continue on the current path.
�Move a large fraction of all U.S. Forces into Baghdad to attempt to control it.
�Increase Brigade Combat Teams and U.S. forces in Iraq substantially.
�Set a firm withdrawal date to leave. Declare that with Saddam gone and Iraq a sovereign nation, the Iraqi people can govern themselves. Tell Iran and Syria to stay out.
�Assist in accelerating an aggressive federalism plan, moving towards three separate states � Sunni, Shia, and Kurd.
�Try a Dayton-like process.
Nothing wrong with the thoughts of the boss as he's trying to figure out what to do.
But this passage is just depressing.
�Aggressively beef up the Iraqi MOD and MOI, and other Iraqi ministries critical to the success of the ISF � the Iraqi Ministries of Finance, Planning, Health, Criminal Justice, Prisons, etc. � by reaching out to U.S. military retirees and Reserve/National Guard volunteers (i.e., give up on trying to get other USG Departments to do it.)
(i.e., give up on trying to get other USG Departments to do it.)
This is a corner the Secretary painted himself into, with his seemingly cavalier disregard for other USG agencies in the early days of OEF and OIF.
This is a corner the US Gov painted itself into, when agencies of the government set themselves above the President and his policy pronouncements, and, in effect, rebel, whether overtly or passive-agressively. A refusal to wear the adult pants, but rather to wear the petulant adolescent pants.
And that, ultimately, rests on the shoulders of the President and his appointees, for the failure to really clean that up. Sigh.
Which does not relieve the employees of their duty to do the job they've been told to do, once the decision has been made.
But like I said, because I think like that (among other things) is why I'm not trotting about amongst 'em.
Sigh.
Reporting As Ordered, Sir! �
SECDEF Rumsfeld clearly sees, understands, and plans for the long term and big picture of dealing with the threat of radical Islam. Although this memo deals with Iraq specific issues, remember that he and the DOD have been, and will be engaged around the world for the foreseeable future. The goal is victory, and keeping the fight in Kabul, Kirkuk and the far away homes of the Islamists, instead of foolishly retreating to CONUS and waiting for the suicide bombers in Kansa City, Atlanta or elsewhere. Of course, the bad guy's most fervent wish, and our most horrific scenario is for them to acquire nuke capability and take out DC, or New York, or San Diego, or all of them.
Our actions in Iraq must be dealt with as part of the larger clash of civilizations, with the goal of massive cultural changes in the regions that harbor Islamist extremism, destroying its foundations and replacing it with the concepts and advantages of freedom.
Winning this requires more than cheap shot political sniping, or leaking classified materials to undercut our leaders. It requires a united country, unshakable resolve and a commitment for the long haul. This will last years, or more likely decades, and is not the time for the weak, opportunistic politicians. Hoping the threat will leave us alone, or that the suicide-seeking 12th Imam crowd in Iran with nukes will never use them is delusional.
Serious stuff, indeed. Sadly, we seem to lack serious leadership in Congress, the media, and perhaps even in the White House. Rumsfeld has led our defense well since 9-11-2001, but there is a vacuum of future leadership that will read, think, lead and win.
Our brave and successful troops are doing everything asked of them, and they need and deserve better, and so do the rest of Americans, and indeed Western Civilization.
The Democrats, may have won their political battle, but are no the verge of losing the unbelievably vital war(s) we are engaged in now, and in the near future. North Korea, the threats to Israel, and indeed, China also are part of the mix.
Interesting times, indeed.
posted by John S. on December 3, 2006 12:52 PM
“…reaching out to U.S. military retirees…” The system doesn’t know how to reach out to retirees except to hire us indirectly as contractors and then pay us a sinful amount of money and then wonder why the effort is so expensive. The DoD could have saved a lot of money and bad press (concerning FWA [Fraud, Waste & Abuse] in the contracting area) if they had invited all retirees to come back on active duty and use their expertise wherever it was needed regardless of branch of service. This would have been cheaper and more efficient than paying contractors enough money to get them to deploy to a war zone. Maybe the new guy will think of this instead of such a heavy dependence on expensive contracts. There is nothing a contractor is doing in Iraq that there are not plenty of retirees trained to perform that task. As I mentioned earlier, many of the contractors working in Iraq are retirees. The project I just left was over half retirees, but here’s the catch; working as contractors we came from every branch of service as we were recruited by the companies based on our skill sets. I don’t know if the Armed Services could set aside their parochial attitudes in order to field such a unit. But if they could and if they could sell the idea to the retiree community, they could save a gazillion dollars and tell KBR to go p*** up a rope.
posted by Oldloadr on December 3, 2006 7:46 PM
Oldloadr - And we'd get campaign ribbons... which, if you're really honest with yourself, many of us would rather have than fat paychecks.
Because of what they mean. And who we are.
posted by
John of Argghhh! on December 4, 2006 4:35 AM
John - Absolutely! In fact, when I deployed on active duty I was happy with the tax break and hostile fire pay, especially since I did get the campaign medals (and VFW membership). But then, I always looked at military service as just that... service. I never expected to get rich and didn't care that others in our society were getting rich. I'm not being a martyr, I just believed that if GIs got paid like pro atheletes, it would take something away from the idea of service... I guess I'm waxing Quijotic. Anyway, I made a lot more money as a contractor, but I would have preferred to have been in uniform wearing my stripes.
posted by Oldloadr on December 4, 2006 8:36 AM
I like the suggestion
"Assist in accelerating an aggressive federalism plan, moving towards three separate states — Sunni, Shia, and Kurd."
Of course, the ones with oil in their area will not like this arrangement. So I suppose it's a weak proposal in that regard. It would breed instability. But the political boundaries that are Iraq make no sense.
posted by David A on December 4, 2006 1:00 PM
(This is going to sound harsh, but think before you take out the bats to thump this baby seal).
Would taking retirees back be such a good idea? I don't think so. What happens when the lot of you come back with lots of rank and your own ideas about things?
Except for the cost I like the way things are working now, inefficiency and all. We get the benefit of your expertise while not having to: a) go thru another bit of forced separation when hostilities end; b) mess with the command structure/Unity of Command Issues(if your purpose is to be the contrary how can you do that when on active duty you have to toe-the-line?) c) long term budget effects (yeah, those benefits add up and effect the services in ways that affects future readiness---it all comes from the same Congressional money pile).
As a contractor you still get to put your expertise to the good. You get to be contrary to the way things are done and have other avenues of advancing those ideas without both boots coming down on you from above(or having Whoever Sits Above circular file it because of its contrary to their wishes nature).
And then, 'if it ain't broke don't fix it'. Is it broken? Then don't f with it. Get your input in as best you can, but accept that you best serve where you're at now.
posted by ry on December 4, 2006 7:30 PM
ry - Most of your points are subjective so therefore your opinion is as good as mine, I suppose. However, there is one point I would like to mention that is somewhat in error: "... long term budget effects (yeah, those benefits add up..." That is actually where retirees are the most cost-affective since we already have the benefits for ourselves and our dependents. The only thing that would change is I would not pay $460/year for Tricare while on active duty. Most call ups are for 2 year tours so the odds of anybody being promoted (if their service would even consider them) are out there so the only out-year change would be a few dollars more in retirement based on qualifying for a higher percentage.
On the subject of speaking your mind, I did not feel any more or less free to speak up as a contractor then I did on active duty, but what I did feel is less empowered to influence decisions above my pay grade. It seemed like every technical input I made to senior management that was eventually adopted was like pushing a noodle. However, that was my personal experience and I could not in any way quantify that for the entire theater. That's why I'm not arguing vigorously on this point.
posted by Oldloadr on December 5, 2006 8:13 AM
Fair enough Loader. We academic punks sometimes need to cross the street and talk to the rank and file sometimes.
"the only out-year change would be a few dollars more in retirement based on qualifying for a higher percentage." But this is exactly what I am talking about. How many people are we talking about here? A few hundred? A few thousand? Ten Thousand? What's a 3% incease in retirement pay look like for a few thousand people?
Yeah, it is opinion. Reasoned opinion, but still opinion.
posted by ry on December 6, 2006 6:23 PM
Ry - a couple of points.
1. If I go an active duty again, I will accrue retirement credit at 2.5% a year. And when I re-retire, that will bump up my retired pay - but calculated based on my original retirement date. In other words, while my month-to-month paycheck would be at the current rates, my retired check bump would be based on my 2000 pay scale.
2. The actual number is business sensitive, but to get me over there as a contractor, at exactly my current pay, would cost a minimum (and that's *really* a minimum) of 1.5 times what I actually see. Minimum.
I'd have to sit down with a spreadsheet, but a two year stint would add about, oh, 3600 a year to my retired pay.
With what you'd pay my firm to hire me as a contractor, without going into real details, it would take 25 years or so for the bump in my retired pay to match the extra you're going to pay upfront in today's dollars for my services as a contractor. For the First Year.
Or about 50 years for the two years. My family tends to long life, but only one of us has made it to 100.
posted by
John of Argghhh! on December 6, 2006 8:38 PM
Okay, I'm an idiot. What else is new?;)
Seriously, 20 years of 3% increased pay for say 3k people in 2000 $ which will have to go through COngress along with funding for weapons systems vs. teh gov't being willing to accrue debt to pay the premium? We need a spread sheet and I'm incapable of doing something on this scale(I'm gollum and you're busy). So I'll have to remain skeptical while defering to wiser and more informed men than I.
Of course, my unstated assumption is that as soon as we're out of Iraq and 'Stan, with a Dem president, we'll see a budget major cus to the DoD. That proll'y colours my analysis a bit(that subjectivity Loadr was hinting at).
posted by ry on December 7, 2006 1:51 AM
2.5%, please. And if you are going to offset contractors with retirees, you are going to offset the costs for your contractors.
And remember, Ry - they're *already* paying me currently about 45% a month of what they'd be paying me if they brought me back on active duty, so the actual cost to the treasury is less than adding a body from scratch.
posted by
John of Argghhh! on December 7, 2006 6:15 AM
So you have to wonder what is the fascination the government has with contractors? The only advantages I see to contractors from the government's perspective (and I don't think these outweigh the financial cost):
1. The MSM doesn't make as big a stink when contractors die.
2. The government can fire one in 24 hours.
3. The government can hire one and have him/her on the ground in 4 weeks.
posted by Oldloadr on December 8, 2006 1:14 PM
� Dismissed, Soldier!