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  <title>Comments for Time for a whatzis!</title>
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    <published>2006-10-05T12:28:09Z</published>
    <updated>2006-11-11T16:53:42Z</updated>
    <title>Time for a whatzis!</title>
    <summary>Trias likes those, and I missed his birthday, and we haven&apos;t done one in a while... The first hint - post WWII....</summary>
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      <![CDATA[<p>Trias likes those, and I missed his birthday, and we haven't done one in a while...</p>

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The first hint - post WWII.<br />
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    <id>tag:www.thedonovan.com,2006://1.6483-comment:51246</id>
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    <title>Comment from Trias on 2006-10-05</title>
    <author>
        <name>Trias</name>
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        Damn too slow.  Not that i would have gotten it.  You know it looks a tad er rusty.
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    <published>2006-10-06T00:39:43Z</published>
    <updated>2006-10-06T00:39:43Z</updated>
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    <id>tag:www.thedonovan.com,2006://1.6483-comment:51214</id>
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    <title>Comment from jim b on 2006-10-05</title>
    <author>
        <name>jim b</name>
        <uri>http://howdy</uri>
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        supercaffinated ... I totally avoid that entire field.

John I thought I was just joshing.

But I am NOT gonna make any wimmins jokes.

Yes I have heard that some troops call wimmins in the military ... &quot;Long haired air fresheners&quot; ... but I never did that.
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    <published>2006-10-05T21:49:02Z</published>
    <updated>2006-10-05T21:49:02Z</updated>
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    <id>tag:www.thedonovan.com,2006://1.6483-comment:51213</id>
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    <title>Comment from J.M. Heinrichs on 2006-10-05</title>
    <author>
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        Interesting point ...
However, I was trained by Canadian Army NCOs, and while their language may have been more functional than elegant, I was able to comprehend their instructions and advice with minimal repetition. Except for grenades.

The 4.85mm British was an attempt by the Brits to improve the 5.56mm in accordance with their operational data dating back to the Boer war. They would have preferred to use the 6.8mm round developed for the EM2 but politics were not favourable.

Cheers
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    <published>2006-10-05T21:33:07Z</published>
    <updated>2006-10-05T21:33:07Z</updated>
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    <title>Comment from John of Argghhh! on 2006-10-05</title>
    <author>
        <name>John of Argghhh!</name>
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        Heh. You two.  This reminds me of the time, in band camp - er, an ROTC FTX, when the cadet, eventually to be a... wait for it... Military Intelligence officer (and later retired a Colonel...) was loading her M14 magazine.  I looked over, saw what she was doing, and asked why she chose that particular method of loading?

She replied, &quot;I figure I have a 50/50 chance of getting it right.&quot;

I replied, &quot;You lose.&quot;

She said, &quot;Why?&quot;

I replied, &quot;Because loading the rounds that way guarantees at best one shot, and probably will jam and not load at all, anyway.&quot;

She was loading one round facing forward, the next facing the other direction, etc.

She&apos;d never seen a blank before.  And the only rifles she&apos;d ever handled were the dewat M1903s the Drill Team used. 


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    <published>2006-10-05T20:40:03Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from supercaffinated on 2006-10-05</title>
    <author>
        <name>supercaffinated</name>
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        jim b does that mean all politicians go in head first?
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    <published>2006-10-05T20:22:49Z</published>
    <updated>2006-10-05T20:22:49Z</updated>
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    <title>Comment from jim b on 2006-10-05</title>
    <author>
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        Whatever it is just remember one thing.

When loading them into the chamber ... the pointy end goes in first.

It&apos;s Scoresby time!!!
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    <published>2006-10-05T19:43:13Z</published>
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    <id>tag:www.thedonovan.com,2006://1.6483-comment:51205</id>
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    <title>Comment from John of Argghhh! on 2006-10-05</title>
    <author>
        <name>John of Argghhh!</name>
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        Geez, John, why doncha just write the post on it, while you&apos;re at it?

Chris was close enough that just ignoring it would have sent people on chases down real ratholes...

8^)

Intel weenies.  Even former tanker intel weenies.
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    <published>2006-10-05T18:42:10Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from J.M. Heinrichs on 2006-10-05</title>
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        <![CDATA[EM-40? Could someone identify the name's origin as I'm familiar with "SA80" and "L85/86". As far as I can trace, the abortive 4.85mm project was the L64/65.

Er, 4.85x49mm was the cartridge size, "4.85mm British" the name.

Check Photo #5 here: <a href="http://members.shaw.ca/cartridge-corner/idpics2.htm" rel="nofollow">http://members.shaw.ca/cartridge-corner/idpics2.htm</a>

Cheers]]>
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    <published>2006-10-05T18:28:35Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from John of Argghhh! on 2006-10-05</title>
    <author>
        <name>John of Argghhh!</name>
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        We have a winnah!  Chris is correct.

Well done, sir.
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    <published>2006-10-05T15:06:10Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from fdcol63 on 2006-10-05</title>
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        A sniper round of some sort, possibly in the 7.62mm range?
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    <published>2006-10-05T15:05:56Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Chris Denny on 2006-10-05</title>
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        The abortive 4.8mm round for the equaly abortive brit EM-40 rifle.
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    <published>2006-10-05T14:55:55Z</published>
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    <id>tag:www.thedonovan.com,2006://1.6483-comment:51198</id>
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    <title>Comment from John of Argghhh! on 2006-10-05</title>
    <author>
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        While you&apos;ve not got the caliber correct, SuperC, you&apos;re working in the right direction, in that case size vice bullet diameter is greater than in your average, run-of-the-mill military calibers.

It *is* a military caliber, btw, just to drop another hint.
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    <published>2006-10-05T14:55:00Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from supercaffinated on 2006-10-05</title>
    <author>
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        nevermind - just realized its post ww2...
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    <published>2006-10-05T14:46:22Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from supercaffinated on 2006-10-05</title>
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        <name>supercaffinated</name>
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        6.5mm x 55 Swedish maybe?

pretty esoteric and fits image pretty well

thanks for the welcome in John!
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    <published>2006-10-05T14:41:16Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Hikkie givin&apos; Boquisucio on 2006-10-05</title>
    <author>
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        <![CDATA[My – My.  Your neck is longer than that on <b><a href="http://www3.estart.com/stores/media/linda%20evangelista%20copy.jpg" rel="nofollow">Linda Evangelista’s</a></b> head.  By its looks, I’d venture to say that this little beauty feeds the Frenchie MAS 49-56.  Properly stated: The <b><a href="http://www.gunsworld.com/75/fr_75_0_us.html" rel="nofollow">7.5x54SRmm</a></b>.  Oh, I could kiss that <b><a href="http://myoldrifles.com/300.1165.1.jpg" rel="nofollow">neck</a></b>. - BOQ
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    <published>2006-10-05T14:31:47Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from MajMike on 2006-10-05</title>
    <author>
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        silver tip on the round = &quot;anti vampire&quot;
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    <published>2006-10-05T13:40:20Z</published>
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    <id>tag:www.thedonovan.com,2006://1.6483-comment:51189</id>
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    <title>Comment from MajMike on 2006-10-05</title>
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        so now that we have memorized the dimensions of the wood grain on every piece of furniture in the Castle, we&apos;re back to the pink quilt...

2&quot; squares if i remember correctly.
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    <published>2006-10-05T13:39:11Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from John of Argghhh! on 2006-10-05</title>
    <author>
        <name>John of Argghhh!</name>
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        SuperC- pretty much everybody here, including me, is a rank amateur at this. Which is what makes it fun.

Keep going, guys.  Relative dimensions matter.
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    <title>Comment from hdw on 2006-10-05</title>
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        I thought 7.62 Nato, but I&apos;m guessing.
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    <published>2006-10-05T13:05:21Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from supercaffinated on 2006-10-05</title>
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        no way that could be a 12.7mm its too small.  

look at the pattern on the background - its a piece of cloth or paper and the scale would make it maybe an 8mm approx or smaller.  the long projectile would suggest that over a 7.62mm in my opinion anyway

what it is I don&apos;t know - I&apos;m just a rank amateur at this

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    <published>2006-10-05T12:52:29Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from John of Argghhh! on 2006-10-05</title>
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        <name>John of Argghhh!</name>
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        Like I would make it *that* easy.

Geez.
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    <published>2006-10-05T12:47:58Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from fdcol63 on 2006-10-05</title>
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        Yeah, what ry said.
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    <published>2006-10-05T12:43:45Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from ry on 2006-10-05</title>
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        It&apos;s a .50 cal round.  
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