November 4, 2006
A new challenge!
Since this is a Saturday, only the hard-core will show up.
ID this tank.

Reporting As Ordered, Sir! »
OK, you've frustrated my 15 minutes of google searching...track design and riveted construction indicate WWI vintage (as does the fact that it's displayed crushing wood barriers) or perhaps immediate post-WWI design.
Other than that I'm stumped.
posted by
Heartless Libertarian on November 4, 2006 10:21 AM
Churchill...WW2.
posted by
arditi on November 4, 2006 10:33 AM
It''s not a tank it a film prop from the last Indiana Jone film.
posted by
Gordon Dundas on November 4, 2006 11:09 AM
Gordon's right.
Cheers
posted by J.M. Heinrichs on November 4, 2006 12:03 PM
Ye call this archeology?!!
posted by Neffi on November 4, 2006 1:13 PM
Looks something like a Brit Mk IV with an aftermarket turret added, something like the Aussies added to the M113 and it does look like the tank in the Indiana Jones flic.
posted by
Old Fat Sailor on November 4, 2006 1:42 PM
I want to say Japanese. The hull shape looks WW2, and Japan was one of the few nations that used riveted tank armor, and the palm trees in the background make me think Pacific Theater.
posted by
J-P on November 4, 2006 1:57 PM
Crappy MIII "Old & rusty" variant.
BTW shot up one of these on my CC course so yeah I do know what it is. That was also the week I ID'd a Stuart based on 1/4 of a drive sprocket that the DS pulled out of the tussock so a whole tank wasn't really a challenge :o)
posted by
Murray on November 4, 2006 7:37 PM
British Mk1 "male" (with 6 pound gun) circa 1916. Produced by William Foster & Co. Ltd.
posted by
Sgt. B. on November 4, 2006 9:46 PM
The Mk I didn't have a turret in either the male of female versions. Both had the weaponry mounted in sponsons.
Tracks don't have the right shape, either.
That tow cable is decidedly modern, though.
posted by
Heartless Libertarian on November 4, 2006 11:09 PM
LL it is the Indiana Jones tank, seem there are pictures of it at an amusement park.
posted by
Old Fat Sailor on November 5, 2006 6:15 AM
« Dismissed, Soldier!
The Whatziss, answered.
Here's the original question.
Why'd I say your first instinct is probably wrong? Because your first instinct was most likely to be rifle grenade or bazooka round. Bazooka round woulda been sorta close - and those who submitted PIAT were actually on the right track - of course if you'd said M16 Priest Mortar round, you would also have been on the right track.
The right track being... spigot. In this case, the Blacker Bombard, intended to stop invading Germans...
I told you prior to 1945 to save you searching a lot of rifle grenades or rockets.
The colors are... British, though there's lots of flexibility, even in brit markings.
The Red Herring clue was the UAV. Made by BOMBARDier of Canada (hence the Canadian reader names... which were also a clue to help you find that UAV...). The second clue - was of a Blacker Bombard emplacement.
There were two types of round, a smaller, 14 pound, longer-ranged (about 450-50 meters) anti-personnel round, and the larger, 20 pound, much shorter ranged (about 120 meters) anti-tank round. They used black powder as a propellant. It would have taken much courage to fight tanks with that sucker from fixed positions like that.

Reporting As Ordered, Sir! »
The UAV reference was cute; unfortunately the CL-227 was made by Canadair. The company was purchased by Bombardier, but the UAV continued to be known as a Canadair product, to some of us/me.
Cheers
posted by J.M. Heinrichs on November 4, 2006 12:28 PM
As may be, John - but the UAV sez "Bombardier" on it...
posted by
John of Argghhh! on November 4, 2006 12:44 PM
Not that you can *read* it, of course.
posted by
John of Argghhh! on November 4, 2006 12:45 PM
wasn't this Blacker Bombard the incorrect answer already on an earlier whatziss?
something about it is ringing faint bells.
posted by
MajMike on November 6, 2006 3:35 PM
« Dismissed, Soldier!
November 3, 2006
A scalp, sorta.
Abu Ghraib claims another officer scalp. Well, pulls on his hair really hard.
For the record - I predicted this would be how it went down for General Sanchez. He should have taken the hint, and retired some time ago. But GO egos can keep them from acknowledging the obvious.
Just like the rest of us.
Army general retires, blames Abu Ghraib
Associated Press
McALLEN, Texas - Lt. Gen. Ricardo Sanchez, who served a tumultuous year as commander of all U.S. forces in Iraq, retired from the Army on Wednesday, calling his career a casualty of the Abu Ghraib prison scandal.
"That's the key reason, the sole reason, that I was forced to retire," Sanchez said for a story in Thursday's editions of The (McAllen) Monitor. "I was essentially not offered another position in either a three-star or four-star command." [Armorer's Note: And it's fully sufficient a reason, in and of itself, General.]
Sanchez had been a candidate to become the next commander of U.S. Southern Command but was passed over after the prisoner abuse scandal exploded into an international controversy. He was criticized by some for not doing more to avoid mistreatment of Iraqi prisoners.
Best of luck in your future endeavors, General. But with the size of your retirement check, don't expect too much sympathy from around here.
I still think Colonel Pappas got off too easily.
Just sayin'.
You can read the rest here.
Reporting As Ordered, Sir! »
I am truly saddened to see LTG Sanchez go out whinning. So much for the Warrior Ethic.
posted by JimC on November 3, 2006 9:46 AM
i'm with John on this one.
posted by
MajMike on November 3, 2006 12:36 PM
Not to mention all the news outlets scrambling to hire him as a pundit/expert/talking head.
posted by
Baronger on November 3, 2006 12:59 PM
Definitely not satisfying to me. Failure to manage is almost as bad as directing the behavior in the first place.
posted by
Barb on November 3, 2006 3:36 PM
Thanks for the update on this important story. I've linked to you here: LINK.
posted by
Consul-At-Arms on November 3, 2006 7:09 PM
« Dismissed, Soldier!
Oops!
This just in - NYT exposes Bush White House Gaffe of Strategic Proportions!
The Bushies published details of Iraqi bomb-making plans on the Internet!
Check it out here: U.S. Web Archive Is Said to Reveal a Nuclear Primer (login req'd).
But in recent weeks, the site has posted some documents that weapons experts say are a danger themselves: detailed accounts of Iraq’s secret nuclear research before the 1991 Persian Gulf war. The documents, the experts say, constitute a basic guide to building an atom bomb.
Last night, the government shut down the Web site after The New York Times asked about complaints from weapons experts and arms-control officials. A spokesman for the director of national intelligence said access to the site had been suspended “pending a review to ensure its content is appropriate for public viewing.”
Officials of the International Atomic Energy Agency, fearing that the information could help states like Iran develop nuclear arms, had privately protested last week to the American ambassador to the agency, according to European diplomats who spoke on condition of anonymity because of the issue’s sensitivity. One diplomat said the agency’s technical experts “were shocked” at the public disclosures.
Okay. Dumb decision, especially if the data indicates the Iraqis had sufficient expertise to build the bomb, and truly provides down-to-the-math level information. (Full disclosure, I know how to build two kinds of nuke just off the top of my head. Of course, I also know pretty much exactly how an internal combustion engine works, too. The devil is in the details, like those dimensions. But with the resources, and some more of those details, I could build either... hmmm)
Of course, there were no reports of weird popping sounds from within the reality-based community as heads implode. There is seemingly no cognitive dissonance regarding the fact that... this means Saddam had a nuclear weapons program. It might have been cold... but he'd held on to the hard-to-get part. The knowledge and expertise. So, when the sanctions were lifted, as they would have been, and sooner rather than later... what would he have likely done with the data?
Hmmm like this quote from the article:
Among the dozens of documents in English were Iraqi reports written in the 1990’s and in 2002 for United Nations inspectors in charge of making sure Iraq abandoned its unconventional arms programs after the Persian Gulf war. Experts say that at the time, Mr. Hussein’s scientists were on the verge of building an atom bomb, as little as a year away.
Oh, I hear the response - "Well, whatever he did with it, he wouldn't have posted it on the Internet!" And that's all the matters right now. After all, there's an election next week, right?
Wait - excuse me - international (i.e., not a Rethuglican Administration employee, but the only authentic kind, i.e., international and/or safely liberal) experts said Saddam was a year away from building a bomb? The article text is ambiguous, it could mean 1991, or 2002...
So, we now have the Voice of the Liberal, Anti-war Establishment saying... Saddam coulda built a bomb in a year. Hmmmm but, there were no WMDs, no real threat - the NYT said so! Again, no popping sounds of imploding heads...
More here, if you'd like it, from Jim Geraghty at NRO.
Reporting As Ordered, Sir! »
Let me get this straight: The NYT, The Gray Lady is taking the administration to task for COMPROMISING national security? This after their publication of the SWIFT program. After their repeated and heated denials, op ed pieces and other rants that there were NO WsMD?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!
I nearly lost a lung on that one.
posted by Cricket on November 3, 2006 9:42 AM
NY SLIMES is just insanely jealous that someone else might have scooped them by releasing classified info first. The Times management are a bunch of treasonous SOBs who should be tried for same and executed!
posted by
John S. on November 3, 2006 9:50 AM
Gee didnt I just make a case against this kind of action a coupla days ago? Gee, gollum's just stone cold stupid, ain't he?
I remember when they put these docs out last year. To some degree they were considered low value and too volumnous to have the Professional Intelligencers sift them. So they made it an open source project. At the time I had reservations(what if they actually find something? Doesn't this seem like a contrived plan to keep the idea of WMD in Iraq going?). Now it looks like my hopes and fears were both realized. Smart Sanctions would've been a sieve to allow Iraq to announce to the world that it was a nuclear power since O.F.F. allowed him to buy French and Russian arms after 1999. But it left this material up for whoever to stumble upon the plans(hey JTG, you still think I'm a tool for saying this stuff shouldn't be on the 'Net? I'll buy you a beer if I'm ever in Florida and we can verbally wrassle over this one.)
posted by ry on November 3, 2006 9:49 PM
Otay. Here is the question then: When documents are siezed, found, taken, whatever, of the opposition, isn't the SOP to sift through them
and no matter how miniscule to assign a classification to them?
While I agree with you Ry (hands him his spoon and the timer to let him bang on his high chair for three minutes to celebrate) I think this not only vindicates Bush, but lets the NYT hang itself.
And John Kerry thinks there were no weapons. No wonder he is wetting himself.
And the NYTs timing couldn't have been better. Heh.Heh.Heh.
posted by Cricket on November 4, 2006 9:57 AM
« Dismissed, Soldier!
New Marine Gear.

The Marine Corps is engaged in an acquisition program to develop a Tactical Unmanned Ground Vehicle in order to provide the Marine Air-Ground Task Force (MAGTF) with a tele-operated/semi-autonomous ground vehicle for remoting combat tasks in order to reduce risk to Marines and neutralize threats. The Gladiator is designed principally to support dismounted infantry during the performance of their mission, across the spectrum of conflict and range of military operations. The primary function of the Gladiator will be to provide the Ground Combat Element (GCE) with unmanned scouting and reconnaissance, surveillance, and target acquisition (RSTA). Operating forward of GCE units, the Gladiator will perform scouting and reconnaissance tasks while permitting the operator to remain covered and concealed some distance away. Additional functions of the Gladiator system will be to utilize a modular configuration capable of employing the Anti-Personnel/Obstacle Breaching System (APOBS), M240G/M249 Machine Guns, and currently fielded chemical detection systems. With the development of future Mission Payload Modules (MPM), projected operational capabilities include: obscurant delivery; direct fire (lethal and non-lethal); communications relay; tactical deception (electronic and acoustic); combat resupply; casualty evacuation, or counter sniper employment. These modules will allow commanders to increase their operational capability by tailoring the capabilities of the Gladiator to best meet their mission requirements.
H/t, mostly Strategy Page with a little help from GW.
Reporting As Ordered, Sir! »
As long as they're hanging all kinds of launchers on 'em, why not follow *this* direction?
posted by
cw4(ret)billt on November 3, 2006 7:35 AM
Nice! A Maus turret as the stern-chaser!
posted by
John of Argghhh! on November 3, 2006 7:36 AM
Looks like a Lego set my kids have.
posted by WereKitty on November 3, 2006 8:15 AM
Nice! The twin-linked las-cannons on the side of the Land Raider should be particularly useful against Osama's cave hideouts... :-0
posted by
J-P on November 3, 2006 8:57 AM
OK, what wisenheimer put the scale models of the WWI British tanks in the picture?
And yes, they do look like (large) kids toys. Actually, that wheeled thing in the back looks to be almost as big as a WWII Jeep-the M240 mounted on it gives it a bit of scale.
posted by
Heartless Libertarian on November 3, 2006 9:42 AM
OK, what wisenheimer put the scale models of the WWI British tanks in the picture?
Guilty! I just thought the Warhammer 40,000 vehicles looked a lot like the Goliath...
posted by
John of Argghhh! on November 3, 2006 9:55 AM
They look like vehicles from the Warhammer 40K game.
posted by Patrick Chester on November 3, 2006 1:02 PM
....oops, missed John's comment saying pretty much the same thing.
posted by Patrick Chester on November 3, 2006 1:03 PM
Comrades,
Land Raiders rule..... my BT's like them very much, thank you...
However, even they can be no match for a determined Mech Infantry assault, with multiple multi-lasers, Heavy Bolters and HK missles sweeping the battle space.
40K is a great little wargame. My son and I have spent many fine hours building our forces and matching wits with eachother and various local gamers. Yeah, it can be a little pricey, but quality time spent with the boy is always priceless, Teaching him to understand cocepts like hull-defilade, overwatch and pinning with mortar and artillery fire seems to me to also be a worthwhile endeavour. Never know when it might come in handy:)
Respects,
Gwedd
posted by Gwedd on November 3, 2006 4:34 PM
Also, I think these Gladiators should be named something appropriate. Like "Bolo" perhaps? ;)
posted by Patrick Chester on November 3, 2006 5:23 PM
I prefer the Bolo Mk-XXXI myself...
posted by emdfl on November 3, 2006 8:52 PM
I prefer the Bolo Mk-XXXI myself...
posted by emdfl on November 3, 2006 8:52 PM
I prefer the Bolo Mk-XXXI myself...
posted by emdfl on November 3, 2006 8:52 PM
NUTS! I'm with WereKitty..A bunch of Legos. Unfortunately, my kids found this before I could explain it. Now they want to know what store to visit to buy the kits! You just had to do this right before Christmas...didn't ya! (lol)
posted by
Coach Mark on November 4, 2006 8:47 AM
Well, the two in the foreground *are* available as kits. Click the GW link in the post. The other two, yeah, that's prolly out of your Christmas budget anyway!
posted by
John of Argghhh! on November 4, 2006 9:29 AM
« Dismissed, Soldier!
November 2, 2006
Someone you should know.
Oregon Army National Guard’s Sgt. Nathaniel “Brad” Lindsey
CENTCOM SENDS:
Sgt. Lindsey and his convoy were attacked when Taliban fighters set up a false checkpoint in Afghanistan on Sept. 9, 2006. The enemies hit the convoy with either a roadside bomb or a rocket-propelled grenade, and then opened up small-arms fire on the vehicles. Lindsey, a gunner who had recently switched from a desk job at a secure base in Kandahar to a job training Afghan soldiers, died in the attack. He had volunteered for deployment to Afghanistan after having already served in Iraq and during Hurricane Katrina to protect an officer he had driven for since June 2004. Lindsey was posthumously awarded the Bronze Star, the Purple Heart and the Meritorious Service Medals on Sept. 22, 2006
Now is the time at Castle Argghhh! when we dance: In Memoriam.
A new whatziss.
Apparently it's been too long, if we've got Dusty posting stuff trying to snark me...

Hints:
1. Your first instinct is... probably wrong.
2. Developed prior to 1945.
3. The colors are indicators.
Update: As I noted in the comments... Hmmmm, I need to think up a clever, misleading, red herring of a clue...
So, here it is. This will probably be of greatest value to CAPT H, or Damian, or possibly even Alan.
Update 2: Stunned into silence, eh? Okay. Another clue.
Reporting As Ordered, Sir! »
Looks like a grenade, and no, I didn't google it.
I am trying to become more knowledgeable.
posted by Cricket on November 2, 2006 8:19 AM
Oh Cricket - and I was going to guess it is an early version of a Hand Blender ;()
posted by Boquisucio on November 2, 2006 8:28 AM
Yea, Rifle Grenade. Been a while though.
PS..My Blender has a cord attached. Am I dating someone?
posted by
RoyK on November 2, 2006 8:35 AM
Belgian Crapsprayer, circa 1917.
posted by
MajMike on November 2, 2006 8:47 AM
The immersion blender WAS my first guess, but the Armorer said it would be wrong, so I tried really hard to think outside the Castle Kitchen...you know, get really focused.
And lately, when the Armorer has posted kewl tools of minimal destruction, I have been reading
the comments and hints to see if I could figger it out. It wasn't too hard with the big stuff, since it is 'obvious' but with smaller pieces and the fiddly bits, it is definately a challenge.
And as I am a wimpy Cricket, I need to get in touch with my inner Valkyrie.
posted by Cricket on November 2, 2006 9:05 AM
I won't tell you what my first instinct was but werekitty prolly knows.
a minimortar? a tinytomahawk?
red uhm lets guess stun?
posted by
Trias on November 2, 2006 9:15 AM
German bungstarter.
posted by
jim b on November 2, 2006 9:16 AM
i would say a WWI or imediate post war rifle grenade. This one would likely be of the chemical variety with the red band indicating the type of fill.
posted by Chris Denny on November 2, 2006 9:18 AM
At least Chris is giving it a start - the rest of you sound like Ralph Peters giving up on Iraq...
Chris is engaging in a little ethnocentrism with his analysis of colors... and a little anachronism with his era.
Hmmmm, I need to think up a clever, misleading, red herring of a clue...
posted by
John of Argghhh! on November 2, 2006 9:23 AM
Hey, I at least got 'grenade.'
*starts fixing lunch*
Tortilla soup with cheese nachos, pineapple smoothies and peanut butter cookies for dessert.
posted by Cricket on November 2, 2006 10:52 AM
Looks like the thingies they would drop by hand out of biplanes, but what do I know? I do death rays.
posted by
bad cat robot on November 2, 2006 1:47 PM
la la la la la.... WHEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Now that's a HAND grenade I could use around the house.
posted by WereKitty on November 2, 2006 3:05 PM
Some sort of depth charge?
posted by WereKitty on November 2, 2006 3:12 PM
I think there's a "novelty" shop on Melrose that sells those things.
posted by Toluca Nole on November 2, 2006 4:44 PM
British aircraft rocket?
posted by Shadow on November 2, 2006 6:12 PM
Second guess: early model hedgehog ASW rocket (hadn't looked at the second clue before I posted the first guess).
posted by Shadow on November 2, 2006 6:14 PM
Still nope!
posted by
John of Argghhh! on November 2, 2006 6:44 PM
I think it is a mortar round.
posted by Cricket on November 2, 2006 7:08 PM
Rifle grenade, prolly Brit, filled with powdered rouge donated by patriotic ladies of the evening during the height of the Unternehmen Seelöwe scare of 1940.
When the grenade hit (preferably on the target), the nose cap popped (hopefully) and released the Red Puffy Cloud of Doom so the gunner could adjust his sights as needed. The grenade body looks brand new, but the rod and annular stabilization ring look like they made quite a few trips downrange.
What nomenclature and mark? Not a clue -- I'd just be guessing. Ummmm -- kinda like I did in the two paragrabs above...
posted by
cw4(ret)billt on November 2, 2006 7:54 PM
little bombs dropped by aircraft or.. heaven forbid.. baloons?
It'd look cuter with a tiny parachute.
posted by
Trias on November 2, 2006 8:24 PM
Two guesses: (a) Some sort of practice depth charge (aka "hedgehog" which was essentially a spigot mortar, distant kin of the Castle's PIAT)? (b) a "bazooka" rocket of some sort. Not U.S. perhaps the 8.8cm German version?
posted by
John S. on November 2, 2006 9:50 PM
PIAT round
posted by
haji 0 matic on November 2, 2006 10:10 PM
Eet ees thee prototype ov ze Castle Clue Bat!
posted by Criquette on November 3, 2006 8:01 AM
OK, so I corresponded with John on this since he used me in his hint and I had no frickin' clue what I was supposed to know that the rest of you wouldn't. I'm no good at the Whatziss stuff. All I knew was that the folks mentioned in reference to the clue are all Canucks - figured there was a Canadian connection somehow.
Turns out the connection is really, REALLY obscure: the hovering thingamabob is made by a Canadian company called Bombardier. They don't make the Whatziss - it's the company name that's your clue. The second clue is much better, since it has something directly to do with the Whatziss.
In fact, it has so much to do with the Whatziss that I - the dope who never gets this sort of stuff - actually guessed right. But since John gave me a hint at the beginning (a "you obviously take the short bus to school" type of hint), I figured I was out of the running.
Hope I didn't give too much away, John.
posted by
Damian on November 3, 2006 9:09 AM
well, smack my arse and call me "Stanky", i still ain't got a clue.
posted by
MajMike on November 3, 2006 2:07 PM
"Blacker than night, bombarded by ..."
http://www.slaidburn.org.uk/blacker_bombard.htm
Cheers
posted by J.M. Heinrichs on November 3, 2006 6:11 PM
And we have a wiener! CAPT H shoots, he scores!
posted by
John of Argghhh! on November 3, 2006 7:50 PM
(Bows toward the BabblingBrook)
Cheers
posted by J.M. Heinrichs on November 3, 2006 9:58 PM
And it was *not* a "you take the short bus" clue.
It was simply rescuing someone completely at sea. In appreciation for *not* going down Melrose...
posted by
John of Argghhh! on November 3, 2006 10:15 PM
Dept of Veterans Affairs "short arm" prosthetic *prototype*
posted by
haji0matic on November 3, 2006 10:35 PM
« Dismissed, Soldier!
I voted yesterday, and participated in some Americana...

This might be a bit of a boring post. *I* was fascinated. And since what I discuss here, voting, is part and parcel of the purpose of the military, it's every bit as important as all those artifacts I toss up on these pages anyway, yes?
I did my bit to prevent the spectre of a Speaker Pelosi. Since I skipped the primaries, not being registered to a party, this was my first chance to use the new electronic voting machines the county purchased. It was also a chance to participate in an interesting little convention - the "Public Test."
Under Kansas law (and I wouldn't be surprised if every state doesn't have some form of this) the ballot, voting machines and tabulation devices, including the procedures for handling the exceptions, must be demonstrated and examined publicly, to any and all interested persons. Around here, being a smallish community in a smallish county, it's not a terribly lavish affair.
There were three of us participating as observers/testers, and two county employees, the County Clerk (an elected position, Alan!) and her chief elections assistant. The observers consisted of a representative of the county Democratic and Republican parties, and myself, interested citizen who'd never seen this before. It's a minor good thing I was there, in a humorous way.
There were Reform and Libertarian candidates on the ballot, they could have had observers as well, if there were enough of them in the state to be that organized... In fact, the only limit to observers is the size of the venue, but hey, like I said, we aren't that crowded here in Leavenworth (thankfully!).
The test consisted of looking at the ballot and confirming that the proper slate was present, with proper party affiliations marked on the ballots, and provision for write ins. That done, Linda talked us through the process of how, by whom, and when the electronic ballots are created and safeguarded once loaded onto the devices which load the machines.
She then ran us through the process for opening a voting machine, and explained the process for opening a string of machines for polling places which will have multiple machines. We saw how the machines are zeroed, what the accounting processes are for the machines, the built-in redundancies (they operate on socket power with battery backup so that power outages don't affect voting) as well as the procedures when operating on battery power to rotate the machines to ensure that there are always machines available to vote on. Essentially, for polling places with more than two machines, you can have at least one up and running at any given time for 24 hours. We were shown the security measures built into the systems, which I won't detail here. Suffice it to say that with the system as demonstrated, it doesn't appear to be any easier to manipulate the system than the old paper ballot - and the two-man rules for handling things put a brake on the human element. Nothing is perfect. The electronic machines are not networked in any fashion.
Anyway - we saw all that and then we took pre-voted paper ballots and voted them on the electronic machines. During that process we were shown how voters could change votes and how the machines made it possible for the blind to vote with the same level of privacy as everyone else. Essentially, if you choose that option, the screen blanks, you wear headphones, and use braille-marked keys on the console to make your choices, which are then read back to you via the headphones so you can confirm your choices. If you don't know braille, the keys have distinctive shapes.
We had to enter write-in candidates, there were some races where we didn't vote for anyone (to deliberately create 'undervotes' to demonstrate the accounting process to ensure that undervotes don't get assigned to a candidate, by accident or nefarious design). On the electronic machines, unlike a paper ballot, you can't over vote by having too many circles filled in. In that sense, there will be fewer votes going to the resolution board to be judged in this system - and fewer still that don't get counted because the board feels they can't discern the voter's intent. If you undervote (as I did for uncontested races) the machine asks you twice, in two different ways, to confirm you don't want to vote for a particular race. BTW, Alan, I'm not sure of the actual count, but we had about 15 judges up for retention (Alan, our Canadian Contrarian, is tickled about all the jobs we 'Muricans get to vote on).
We then took the paper ballots over to the mechanical tabulator. Why paper ballots? They are the ultimate backup for power/hardware issues, they are still how absentee ballots are handled, and people who simply don't trust the electronic systems can use a paper ballot.
This is where I was useful. Because of the need to be able to take the tabulated data and collate it with the voting machine data, the Elections office had to buy a new machine. And while everything had worked fine in the previous election, and in all the previous testing, of course it failed when there were outsiders present. It wouldn't feed the ballots properly. They must have spent 45 minutes trying to get it to work - to include troubleshooting by phone with the manufacturer. In the end, they decided a service call (which costs money) was going to be required.
Enter the Armorer. I've been watching them fiddle with it, kinda (we did move on and do other stuff) and I was lingering around looking the feeder system over when I noticed that the bin that caught the counted ballot was not aligned properly. I reset it, we loaded up some ballots, and off we went - and the service call was canceled. If you are a taxpayer of Leavenworth county, you're welcome.
Anyway, we ran the ballots through, there were ballots that had typical errors on them and we went through that resolution process. We then took our various data, compared them to the benchmark data, and I am pleased to assure you that up to this point, at least, Leavenworth County is ready for next Tuesday (advance voting actually began 20 days before the general election, which is why I took advantage of voting yesterday, to avoid the crowds.
And confusticate the exit pollers, none of whom read this blog.
And my name is on the document as an observer! Hey, I got folded, bent, and spindled (no mutilation, thank heavens) as a Defender of the System, now I got to be a tiny little cog in the System. Whee!
Reporting As Ordered, Sir! »
John,
Glad to hear Leavenworth County is ready!
On a side note, I read this headline on Drudge this morning:
SEYMOUR HERSH 'There has never been an American army as violent and murderous as the one in Iraq'...
Sounds like Kerry, doesn't it? This statement reflects the typical liberal perspective of the US military - negative. If not, they could have said this:
"There has never been an American army as well educated, well trained, well armed, efficient, and effective as the one in Iraq."
posted by fdcol63 on November 2, 2006 7:04 AM
And Sy Hersh is completely ignoring WWII in the Pacific.
posted by
John of Argghhh! on November 2, 2006 7:28 AM
Great work there, Citizen Argghhh. Now, if only Ballot Loading Systems would work as good as THIS, there'd be no litigious elections anymore. Oh BTW – Nice shiny M1841 on that there cravat.
posted by Boquisucio on November 2, 2006 7:52 AM
"Citizen John", a title to be most proud of!
posted by
MajMike on November 2, 2006 8:52 AM
Hey I will be right up to vote. I can you know ...I am a Democrat. I get to vote everywhere whether I live there or not.
I also get to vote after I am dead.
I luv dis kuntri
posted by
jim b on November 2, 2006 9:22 AM
Good post, John - not boring at all. Glad you got to provide some community service while being an observer :-)
posted by
Barb on November 2, 2006 11:44 AM
Jim.. that made me giggle.
posted by WereKitty on November 2, 2006 3:18 PM
As one of our former (Joisey, Democratic) governors once observed, "When I die, I want to be buried in Hudson County so I can continue to participate in the electoral process."
Which is kind of interesting, considering he got 30% more votes from Hudson County than there were registered voters in Hudson County (we don't go for none o' yer namby-pamby, half-hearted corruption here -- if yer gonna cheat, cheat *big* time). And the local Supremes ruled that was no justification for conducting a recount -- the rationale, in essence, was, "Hey, the Democrat *won*, so what's yer prollum?"
posted by
cw4(ret)billt on November 2, 2006 8:11 PM
I agree. Not boring at all.
I saw this yesterday and wanted to read it but I was just so doggone tired I knew I wouldn't retain anything. Long day. So I came back today. I'm so glad I did. I wasn't much less tired but at least my house is quiet for once and I had some free time.
Great post John.
posted by
Cassandra on November 3, 2006 6:46 PM
« Dismissed, Soldier!
November 1, 2006
Air Force Gun Pr0n
I've waited a long time to find something that aviators can relate to on what is, you have to admit, a pretty "green" web site. Of course, I don't want to take anything away from John's superb conceptualization, creation, management and continued improvement of what is a perennial favorite in the annual milblog competition. Far be it from me to complain. And yet...
Some of the trivia stuff, complete with pictures...well, I suppose I should appreciate it more. The "guess-what-THIS-is" trivia games like the close up photo of a thingie that turns out to be the Japanese variation of the fuse/arming mechanism of a 1917 Tarkington-Crapspray Experimental Foot Grenade (or whatever...most guess wrong anyway) sort of goes over my head, er, cranium.
So...
Something caught my eye on YouTube that aviators can relate to. I'm sure BillT and Lex will bear me out. Especially Lex. I think Bill's air-to-air gunnery was usually the .45-rounds-out-the-right-door-window variety...which is perfectly OK since we did it too from O-1s and O-2s in the 'Nam (you know, where John Kerry served, remember?). But Lex and I both have learned that shooting an object that's moving in three dimensions from a platform that's also moving in three dimensions takes some getting used to.
Back in the Old Days, before radars and computers and HUDs, the best air-to-air guys had at least two advantages--good eyes and an unusual ability in what was called, at that time, "deflection shooting." In short, their brains could figure out where the enemy was going to be at bullet flyout and put the bullets there while the bad guy, for lack of a better description, "ran into" the rounds.
So how did they practice this skill without burning precious avgas and putting unnecessary hours on the limited airframes? Trap and skeet. Many Ready Rooms/alert shacks had a makeshift range behind them and guys would go out and practice putting the shot where the clay pigeon was going to be. Hint: Don't shoot AT the target, shot in front of it. While we don't have skeet ranges behind squadron buildings anymore, we do have gun clubs, simulators...and the occasional dart shoot in a real airplane.
You want gun pr0n? Here's some that warms the heart of fighter jocks everywhere. Yes, it may have been done on the ground, but it is the essence of air-to-air gunnery, believe it or not. Enjoy. -Instapilot
Update. [Snerk - Dusty, um, does *this* look familiar? Geez, thinks he can snark me *that* easily... Dusty gives you videos... I give you... artifacts.]
Reporting As Ordered, Sir! »
Great work on that Blue Bonnet.
posted by Boquisucio on November 1, 2006 11:10 AM
Meanwhile over at Murdoc comes photographic proof that the Air Force is indeed committed to close air support. Now if they only fit that Poodle shooter with a bayonet, I will be firmly convinced.
http://www.murdoconline.net/archives/004241.html#more
posted by
jim b on November 1, 2006 11:20 AM
i almost got that Crapsprayer one... i just couldn't figure out the scale on it.
posted by
MajMike on November 1, 2006 12:16 PM
Jim B--
Hah! I like it! Boresighting must be hit or miss, though (pardon the pun).
posted by Instapilot on November 1, 2006 1:04 PM
Heh. So, Dusty finally figures out what he got hired for, huh? Blueness?
Geez, dude - the coloration around here is because the AF is seemingly always off on crew rest, or the aircraft "broke down" in Tahiti or the Bahamas or something and there's a 3 day RON involved...
posted by
John of Argghhhh! on November 1, 2006 1:35 PM
That's awesome! I can think of a few cars I used to own that I'd love to see go off that cliff. Pull!
posted by
hdw on November 1, 2006 2:06 PM
Wow. A direct hit on a flying automobile with
a Carl Gustav. And at least 200 yards distance
by my reckoning. I am impressed with his aim
although if the CG were really loaded I wouldn't
be so cavalier about hefting around. Didn't see him
cock it either. Which makes me wonder....
posted by ibm on November 1, 2006 2:28 PM
As fun as it looks, I'd bet even money it's mostly fake. I downloaded the video and watched it a couple dozen times, there is some fishy stuff going on, especially when he shoots the gustav. Was the a heat seeker or a tracker? 'Cause the rocket chases the car even though whatever caused the white smoke to come out of the gustav goes straight out into the hillside... Now if that was a sabot round the armature holding the round in place would go straight, but I would think the round would follow the path of the smoke (was that a wire guided HEAT round...?
Hmmmm....
Very interesting, velllly interesting... Wanna see it yourselves? Take a look....
http://media1.break.com/dnet/media/2006/10/target_practice.wmv
V/R
posted by
SangerM on November 1, 2006 2:57 PM
Cool. Range, lead and plane of motion. That's damned fine work, if you can get it.
posted by
lex on November 1, 2006 8:45 PM
« Dismissed, Soldier!
October 31, 2006
Kerry Responds.
Apparently we struck a nerve...
If anyone thinks a veteran would criticize the more than 140,000 heroes serving in Iraq and not the president who got us stuck there, they're crazy. This is the classic G.O.P. playbook. I’m sick and tired of these despicable Republican attacks that always seem to come from those who never can be found to serve in war, but love to attack those who did.
I’m not going to be lectured by a stuffed suit White House mouthpiece standing behind a podium, or doughy Rush Limbaugh, who no doubt today will take a break from belittling Michael J. Fox’s Parkinson’s disease to start lying about me just as they have lied about Iraq. It disgusts me that these Republican hacks, who have never worn the uniform of our country lie and distort so blatantly and carelessly about those who have.
The people who owe our troops an apology are George W. Bush and Dick Cheney who misled America into war and have given us a Katrina foreign policy that has betrayed our ideals, killed and maimed our soldiers, and widened the terrorist threat instead of defeating it. These Republicans are afraid to debate veterans who live and breathe the concerns of our troops, not the empty slogans of an Administration that sent our brave troops to war without body armor.
Bottom line, these Republicans want to debate straw men because they’re afraid to debate real men. And this time it won’t work because we’re going to stay in their face with the truth and deny them even a sliver of light for their distortions. No Democrat will be bullied by an administration that has a cut and run policy in Afghanistan and a stand still and lose strategy in Iraq.
Can I lecture you, Senator? Does my 20+ years of wearing the green count?
Does my 70% disability count (though it does make me doughy like Rush...)? What, not fair? Hey, you wave your Purple Hearts (which you tossed over a fence, IIRC) at people, I can wave my disability payment at you...
Well, whether I can or not - I did. Many times. And I still think you betrayed your oath, multiple times, and were unfit to wear the uniform you still hold in contempt, except when you need to wrap yourself in it.
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
It disgusts me that these Republican hacks, who have never worn the uniform of our country lie and distort so blatantly and carelessly about those who have.
Speaking of lies and blatant distortions about those who have worn the uniform of our country, Senator, I have just two words for you:
Winter Soldier.
Make it three:
Dirtbag.
Wanna debate?
Bill Tuttle
Vulture 15
1969 - 1970
Reporting As Ordered, Sir! »
I can't believe that made it out of his PR office in that form. It's a temper tantrum! Unprofessional, intemperate, and positively loony. Translation: "I didn't say that! I didn't say that! You're lying! It's all those meanies made it up. I couldn't have said that... See? My old uniform makes me bullet-proof. Oh, and I'm a REAL man!"
I'm just amazed.
posted by FbL on October 31, 2006 12:04 PM
John Kerry...continuing to redefine "low".
posted by Carrie on October 31, 2006 12:31 PM
John Kerry...continuing to redefine "low".
He does have a knack for lowering the bar doesn't he?
posted by
hdw on October 31, 2006 2:01 PM
I am BEYOND contempt for this punk. I can't even bring myself to call him a man anymore.
posted by AFSister on October 31, 2006 2:07 PM
i got dibsies on lecturing him next!!!
i got one service stripe for each of his Purple's, and a choice of two patches for my Right Side Shoulder Sleeve insignia.
and as low as i was in my class on graduation day, i think i still beat his GPA (but probably not by much).
posted by
MajMike on October 31, 2006 2:14 PM
(as they say up in Beantown, he's "wicked re-tahded".)
posted by
MajMike on October 31, 2006 2:15 PM
No Dem will be BULLIED by an administration with a CUT AND RUN policy in AFG?
I swear.
He's been taken over by aliens or something.
posted by AFSister on October 31, 2006 2:27 PM
I swear.
He's been taken over by aliens or something
Yeah, Dbie - his wife!!! (LOL)
I have been working at home today and I saw him on FoxNews and he was really pissed. I can't believe he was saying "I didn't say that!" "They are lying!"
And what is even dumber is the fricking idiot graduated from Yale with a 76 average - Bush didn't do much better - a 77 average. But Bush did have a higher grade point than JFK. And Kerry got D's in history and political science - bwahahahahaha!!!!
posted by
Beth on October 31, 2006 3:17 PM
Gee, now I feel better. Having Kerry refer to me as a murdering war criminal is a couple of rungs higher on the ladder than having him refer to me as being stupid.
General reaction among us Viet Vets to Jean-Fraude's comment and his subsequent tantrum is: "Once a jerk, always a jerk."
posted by
cw4(ret)billt on October 31, 2006 4:03 PM
I just hope he keeps talking. What an idiot.
I still remember the look on his face in 2004 when someone told him that Bush had a higher IQ score than he did. He just flat out couldn't believe it.
BUT, his latest cosmetic surgery was done pretty well. Proof having tons of money can make you a little better looking anyway :)
posted by
beth on October 31, 2006 6:18 PM
MajMike - Yeah! Wicked! (Hey, you weren't making fun of me, were you?)
The afternoon talk radio guy here in Boston, Howie Carr was having a blast with this. It was like Christmas for him. One guy called in and said he wanted to talk about something else and Howie said "No, we're talking about this." LOL
Col. Hunt showed up and recommended that Kerry use the "Mark Foley defense". Check himself into rehab and claim he had been abused.
posted by
Maggie on October 31, 2006 6:28 PM
Ahh good old foot in mouth disease. Amazing how many times this happens in elections. The man spoke his mind and it was not good and now he's backpeddling in the usual fashion.
This really is good news for the GOP. Unless of course one of their candidates also does something that spectacularly stupid.
Of course the kid could navigate the educational system only to find.. Kerry in power. How joyous that would be.
posted by
Trias on October 31, 2006 7:20 PM
His "defense" of his comments reminds me of clinton last month. They're mad as hell and not gonna take it anymore. hahahahaha.
It would be funny if it weren't so damn pathetic and predictable. Kerry has made a career out of insulting veterans.
and he's not fit to shine your shoes.
All you need to know about Kerry is four months, four medals and he never missed a day of work.
posted by
LindaSoG on October 31, 2006 7:32 PM
GO GET THE SOB!!!
posted by Cricket on October 31, 2006 8:29 PM
I'd pay *BIG* money to see Bill flatten Kerry in a war of words.
BIG money.
posted by Were-Kitten on October 31, 2006 8:58 PM
Bill, love your addition to the post. Kerry doesn't want any part of that fight, although I sincerely hope he's too stupid to realize that. Keep calling bovine scatology where appropriate.
posted by
Damian on October 31, 2006 9:29 PM
What did 'we' lie about and distort? Remember, Senator Eohippus, you still have over 100 pages of your record that you have yet to release, as well as your rather questionable 'discharge' process, where a board of officers had to review your time in the service.
posted by Cricket on November 1, 2006 7:08 AM
I'd just like nothing more than to turn my back on him as he stands there with his hand outstretched for a shake...
I'll be in Boston early next year, graduating from my current high-brainpain edukashunal activity (oops, must be my 'Army' actin' up again-sorry). If I'm lucky, maybe Kerry'll show up. God! Wouldn't that just be the best ever!?!?! To actually be close enough to that scumsucker to dis him where other people could see it...
Ah, the fantasy. It would be sublime.
--
Assuming of course that I'd be able to keep myself from spitting on him first...
V/R
SangerM
posted by
SangerM on November 1, 2006 6:08 PM
Sanger, if he's on fire you could avoid pissing OR spitting on him. heh.
(go read Chuck Z's rant and you'll understand that comment a wee bit more)
posted by Were-Kitten on November 1, 2006 8:12 PM
« Dismissed, Soldier!
John Kerry, Not Presidential Material, reason #456,987,321

U.S. Army Sgt. Maj. Benny Hubbard, the district Sgt. Maj. for Gulf Region South, U.S. Army Corps of Engineers, shakes hands with an Iraqi child prior to the ribbon cutting ceremony for the Salah Hadi Obid Elementary School in Afak, Iraq, Oct. 11, 2006. The construction of the school was funded, contracted and inspected by the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers. (U.S. Air Force photo by Tech. Sgt. Dawn M. Price) (Released)
Compare and contrast SGM Hubbard's efforts with students to... the junior Senator from Massachusetts...
Kerry then told the students that if they were able to navigate the education system, they could get comfortable jobs - "If you don't, you get stuck in Iraq," he said to a mixture of laughter and gasps
Oh, yeah, he said it. Don't wanna believe the journo? Listen to it here, courtesy Bill. I wonder what SGM Hubbard thinks about that comment?
Soooo, the 299,870,000 Americans not currently serving in Iraq all have advanced degrees, eh?
Well, let's be more accurate. Using the CIA factbook data on the US, 2005 data.
There are 134,813,023 men and women of military age (18-49).
There are, roughly, 130,000 troops in Iraq (a number that fluctuates, work with me here).

by David Dismukes October 27, 2006 Army recruits express their motivation during a platoon competition at an obstacle course at Fort Benning, Ga. This photo appeared on www.army.mil.
Which means there are 134,683,023 people of military age who have managed to avoid the trap at the moment. Oh, I know, I'm not accounting for the entire military, nor those who have been to Iraq and gotten out, etc - but we're talking ROM snapshot here.
Oops. That's everybody of the right age. That doesn't take into account *fit* for military service.

Pvt. Charlie Lonno from B Company, 3rd Battalion, 30th Infantry crawl through a mud filled pit with barbed wire overhead as part of an obsticle course on Fort Benning's Sand Hill Tuesday, Oct. 17. The Micronesia native is on his fifth day of Basic Training. Photo by David Dismukes
That changes things. Now we're down to 109,305,756 boys and girls for the recruiters to prey on. Of whom 109,175,756 aren't in Iraq, apparently having negotiated that hard-to-navigate educational system and found themselves free from being compelled by poverty to serve - there apparently being no other reason to serve, in Senator Kerry's world.

Drill Sgt. Primus Brown instructs Soldiers from B Company, 3rd Battalion, 30th Infantry as they learn to high-crawl through a sand pit as part of an obsticle course on Fort Benning's Sand Hill Tuesday, Oct. 17. The Soldiers are in their fifth day of Basic Training. Photo by David Dismukes
So... 0.0011893243755617041796042287105173% of the "fit to serve" population are apparently unable to hack it, eh, Senator, and find themselves with no choice but to take King George's Shilling and fight and die for Empire? Terrible great risk, ain't it?
This is Halloween - let's try to make it scarier for the kiddles, so they can feel even better about what a horror they are escaping.
Let's just restrict it to those coming of military age in a year... that gives us a 2005 estimated population of 4,180,074. Let's cheat, and say that all 130,000 troops in Iraq are 18 year olds. That gives us 4,050,074 of these kids whose scholastic abilities have enabled them to escape the clutches of the recruiters, since exactly 0% of them have come to the attention of their local draft boards... I bet that gives us a scary number for Halloween!
Ooooooh. 0.031099927896013324166031510446944
Just sayin'.
That's it. My scary Halloween post.

U.S. Military Academy Cadet Third Class Jason Schreuder spent 12 hours carving his contribution to the new Army Strong campaign. Photo by Leslie Gordonier
Apparently, I'm not the only one to notice...
Stop the ACLU
Captain's Quarters
Snerk - and Cassandra - and here I thought I was finally gonna have a post with more column inches than hers... nope.
And, as SWWBO notes - the services are, ahem, somewhat better edumacated than the population in general...
Education Level. The Military Services value and support the education of their members. The emphasis on education was evident in the data for FY 2002. Practically all active duty and Selected Reserve enlisted accessions had a high school diploma or equivalent, well above civilian youth proportions (79 percent of 18-24 year-olds). More important, excluding accessions enlisting in the Army or Army Reserve under the GED+ program (an experimental program of individuals with a GED or no credential who have met special screening criteria for enlisting), 92 percent of NPS active duty and 87 percent of NPS Selected Reserve enlisted recruits were high school diploma graduates.
Given that most officers are required to possess at least a baccalaureate college degree upon or soon after commissioning and that colleges and universities are among the Services’ main commissioning sources (i.e., Service academies and ROTC), the academic standing of officers is not surprising. The fact that 87 percent of active duty officer accessions and 95 percent of the officer corps (both excluding those with unknown education credentials) were degree holders (approximately 17 and 38 percent advanced degrees) is in keeping with policy and the professional status and expectations of officers. Likewise, 81 percent of Reserve Component officer accessions and 91 percent of the total Reserve Component officer corps held at least a bachelor’s degree, with 23 and 34 percent possessing advanced degrees, respectively.
There's a Heritage Foundation Study available here.
An extract:
A pillar of conventional wisdom about the U.S. military is that the quality of volunteers has been degraded after the invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq. Examples of the voices making this claim range from the Washington Post, Los Angeles Times, and New York Daily News [1] to Michael Moore’s pseudo-documentary Fahrenheit 9/11. Some insist that minorities and the underprivileged are overrepresented in the military. Others accuse the U.S. Army of accepting unqualified enlistees in a futile attempt to meet its recruiting goals in the midst of an unpopular war.[2]
A report published by The Heritage Foundation in November 2005 examined the issue and could not substantiate any degradation in troop quality by comparing military enlistees in 1999 to those in 2003. It is possible that troop quality did not degrade until after the initial invasion of Iraq in 2003, when patriotism was high. A common assumption is that the Army experienced difficulty getting qualified enlistees in 2005 and was subsequently forced to lower its standards. This report revisits the issue by examining the full recruiting classes for all branches of the U.S. military for every year from 2003 to 2005.
The current findings show that the demographic characteristics of volunteers have continued to show signs of higher, not lower, quality. Quality is a difficult concept to apply to soldiers, or to human beings in any context, and it should be understood here in context. Regardless of the standards used to screen applicants, the average quality of the people accepted into any organization can be assessed only by using measurable criteria, which surely fail to account for intangible characteristics. In the military, it is especially questionable to claim that measurable characteristics accurately reflect what really matters: courage, honor, integrity, loyalty, and leadership.
Again, just sayin'.
Senator, despite the fact that you simply cannot grow past it - whatever Iraq is... IT ISN'T VIETNAM!
Reporting As Ordered, Sir! »
damn Yearlings got nothing better to do than carve a pumpkin?!
i'll give him something to cry about.
posted by
MajMike on October 31, 2006 10:23 AM
And for those who care to peek in at a currently training Infantry company you can go here:
http://www.charlierock150.com/index.html
The selections on the left allow you to read the 1Sgt's remarks, see the training schedule, and watch the newbies train in the photos section.
My son went through basic in this Company, but as Kerry says he is just one of the stupid ones. He is 6 hours short of having his MBA.
posted by
jim b on October 31, 2006 10:25 AM
Heh. My thoughts exactly, MajMike. But since I'm just a lowly land grant college grad (albeit a DMG of same) I thought it wasn't my place to question the doings of proto-ringknockers...
posted by
John of Argghhh! on October 31, 2006 10:50 AM
GRRRR. And it's not like he KNOWS better!!
Oh, this just peeves me no end (actually, my response is stronger than that, but I don't want John to have to spank my hand).
I watched as JC's girlfriend struggled with whether to enlist now or go on to college (scholorship, including one from the Navy League for being cadet commander her senior year). And ditto with JC's good friend (the silent drill team commander). Three excellent students, all college material. Today there are two enlisted Marines and one college student who is eyeing the Navy ROTC program. Any college would be glad to take any one of them.
I try to tell people, the military has the cream of our youth, not the dregs. Yes, it's a way up from poverty. Always has been. But even those kids from the inner city or the barrio have high school diplomas, have stayed away from gangs and drugs, have a physical standard that is high and a drive to not only better themselves, but to serve.
I know it's different for those of us who come from military families or have served. But DAMN, our public officials should not EVER 'diss' the military, the police, the firefighters and EMTs. When the 'line' is gone, civilzation is gone.
posted by Karla (threadbndr) on October 31, 2006 11:30 AM
Excerpted and linked at Bill's Bites >> Jean Fraud Kerry -- Still Lovin' Our Troops
Get your gear for the next Kerry Lied rally here. "Proud Veteran-American. Silent No More!" We haven't gone away, Johnny, and we haven't forgotten. We're still here, locked and loaded, waiting for you to crawl back out from under that rock again. Bring it on, Johnny.
Bill Faith
USAF 1970-1974
Proud Viet Nam Veteran
Webmaster, www.oldwardogs.us
posted by
Bill Faith on October 31, 2006 1:43 PM
like a wise man (my roommate) once said, "if ya gots the time to carve a pumpkin, ya gots the time to figure out how to explode it in the dayroom..."
posted by
MajMike on October 31, 2006 2:02 PM
I gotta say the second guy looks constipated.
posted by
Trias on October 31, 2006 7:26 PM
Well, he's only on Day 3 of Basic, so he's not really good and stuffed yet...
posted by
John of Argghhh! on October 31, 2006 7:41 PM
Great post, great pumpkin.
posted by OD on November 1, 2006 12:50 AM
Dang, Owen - *not* what I expected when I saw your name on the email of the comment.
Don't you have a stereotype to match somewhere?
8^D
posted by
John of Argghhh! on November 1, 2006 5:44 AM
MajMike.. I think I'd like hanging around you and your boys.
LMAO
posted by WereKitten on November 1, 2006 9:40 AM
Kerry did navigate the system and has a comfortable job. He doesn't have a personality.
Or character, but hey, what's a flaw like personality and character when you have his life?
He is empty and to be pitied.
posted by Cricket on November 1, 2006 11:31 AM
But,... Cricket, he does have a nice big chin. That's Presidential, dontcha know. I mean, if Jay Leno were to deign to run...
posted by
Justthisguy on November 1, 2006 2:36 PM
Actually, John, I believe Kerry when he says he was aiming at Bush. What politician would deliberately rubbish the troops a week before an election? But I'm also willing to believe those who say the slip reveals his real thinking.
It's just factually wrong. The average US serviceman is slightly MORE educated than the average US citizen. The stats are there for all to see. Besides, joining the military is so often done precisely to get funding for college. There are plenty of people in Iraq because they want a better education, not because they flunked out and didn't care.
Sadly, two more years in Iraq will put enough pressure on numbers that by 2008-9, the average recruit will be slightly below average education again, as they were in the 80s. Ironically, this will be particularly true if Democrats expand the forces as they say they plan to.
As for the pumpkin, I just love nice, detailed carving, and that's one hell of a job.
To return to character, I was surprised you didn't comment on the lifting of the roadblocks in Sadr City. I should have thought Army people would be pretty unhappy about that.
posted by OD on November 1, 2006 3:29 PM
« Dismissed, Soldier!
A moment of gunner zen.

Reporting As Ordered, Sir! »
Uuuugh Kimosabe...
Gunner Zen need Painter Zen
posted by
jim b on October 31, 2006 9:46 AM
that is some significant terrain going on back there.
posted by
MajMike on October 31, 2006 10:25 AM
Am I the only one thinking popup sprinkler here?
posted by
Trias on October 31, 2006 7:12 PM
Snerk! Good non-military mind view, Trias!
posted by
John of Argghhh! on October 31, 2006 7:39 PM
Ooh! Ooh! *Coast* artillery! Nice fixed positions, solutions prepared in advance. Change is bad!
posted by
Justthisguy on November 1, 2006 2:43 PM
« Dismissed, Soldier!
October 29, 2006
A moment of Gunner Zen.
Fort Bayard, Cape Town (I think).

For Valour.
Canadian Star of Military Valour - Canada's second highest combat award (after the Victoria Cross).
CAPT H and Damian Brooks both pointed out this to me - Canada awards her first *indigenous* awards for heroism in combat. As we have sometimes had a common language come between us, Damian explains:
FYI, John, these medals were created in 1993 (took us that long to figure out we should have our own distinct military honours system), and haven't been awarded until now - 13 years later.
In case the terminology south of the border is once again different: "bravery" can be equated to courage, and CF members have been awarded bravery medals before, but "valour" is considered courage in the presence of the enemy, and thus no decorations until now.
Fair enough. Go visit The Torch and see some soldiers you should meet:
Sergeant Patrick Tower, S.M.V., C.D.
Sergeant Michael Thomas Victor Denine, M.M.V., C.D.
Master Corporal Collin Ryan Fitzgerald, M.M.V.
Corporal Jason Lamont, M.M.V.
Well done, gentlemen!
Be sure to read the whole post - the stuff at the very end is informative, illustrative, and illuminating - if you follow the links.
Medal of Military Valour.
Reporting As Ordered, Sir! »
As a former Canadian, it's real good to see that they (we) are now recoginising and approving of the proud history of the military.
posted by Rod Thorsen on October 29, 2006 6:10 PM
« Dismissed, Soldier!