We're the Military and Airpower Guys of Jonah Goldberg of National Review Online + a stray we found wandering around looking lost. All original material JHD, BHD, JR, WT, and KA 2003-2010 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2006/09/mgs_getting_to_units.html Fri, 06 Jan 2012 18:43:19 Z Movable Type 4.12 en Copyright 2012 http://www.rssboard.org/rss-specification FORT LEWIS, Wash. (Army News Service, Aug. 29, 2006) – A long wait is over for Stryker Mobile Gun System (MGS) crews of the 4th Brigade, 2nd Infantry Division. The 2nd Battalion, 23rd Infantry, received its complement of MGS vehicles last month after more than a year of waiting. They are the first vehicles to be fielded in the Army. “I think its going to give the infantry a whole new dimension of what they can do. Armor and infantry have kept each other at arm’s length for years and years," said Sgt. 1st Class David Cooper, an MGS... http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2006/09/mgs_getting_to_units.html http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2006/09/mgs_getting_to_units.html Fri, 01 Sep 2006 07:27:53 -0600 I remenber seeing the AGS at the Armor Conferance back in '78/'79. Cadillac Gage was the prime contractor. Had automative systems based on the MICV hull and used the M68 105mm cannon with a soft recoil system. This was intended to replace the M551A1 in the 82nd. http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2006/09/mgs_getting_to_units.html#comment-49983 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2006/09/mgs_getting_to_units.html#comment-49983 Sat, 02 Sep 2006 10:50:09 -0600 Oh, I dunno, Papa Ray - the M1 M2 M3 series of vehicles all had serious teething problems... and no heads rolled. That's a part of the problem - no heads *ever* roll, unless someone is caught with their hands in the till. http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2006/09/mgs_getting_to_units.html#comment-49973 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2006/09/mgs_getting_to_units.html#comment-49973 Sat, 02 Sep 2006 07:51:58 -0600 escape being Infantillery! Though we did finally manage to score a badge, eh?]]> http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2006/09/mgs_getting_to_units.html#comment-49972 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2006/09/mgs_getting_to_units.html#comment-49972 Sat, 02 Sep 2006 07:50:24 -0600 HEP kills armor by spalling of the armor. Based on the Britsh HESH round (old M60A1/A3 tanker) primary use: anti-material/personnel, secondary anti-armor, Color code projectel painted OD green, with yellow lettering (HE filler) and black band below the ogive (Anti-armor), 3 (three) red T to denote tracer. has the ballistic arc of a rainbow. This round is indexed into the M13 commputer when seting up the rangecard for the defencive possition. Max effective range 4400 meters (using tank fire control system) however, ranges in excess of 10K possible when using the gunners quardant and the fireing table. http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2006/09/mgs_getting_to_units.html#comment-49970 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2006/09/mgs_getting_to_units.html#comment-49970 Sat, 02 Sep 2006 00:29:01 -0600 They were too big and heavy to fly in most aircraft. They have to be uparmored at desination because of the extra weight. They were prone to flipping upside down when the main gun was fired (supposed to be fixed) they were over a year late deployed. They had better work, or lots of heads will roll. Papa Ray http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2006/09/mgs_getting_to_units.html#comment-49969 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2006/09/mgs_getting_to_units.html#comment-49969 Sat, 02 Sep 2006 00:09:27 -0600 Kind of odd to hear tankers get all enthusiastic about supporting the Infantry. http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2006/09/mgs_getting_to_units.html#comment-49967 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2006/09/mgs_getting_to_units.html#comment-49967 Fri, 01 Sep 2006 23:09:57 -0600 More here.]]> http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2006/09/mgs_getting_to_units.html#comment-49934 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2006/09/mgs_getting_to_units.html#comment-49934 Fri, 01 Sep 2006 09:36:46 -0600 Anyone know how effective that HEP stuff is? Sounds interesting. http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2006/09/mgs_getting_to_units.html#comment-49933 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2006/09/mgs_getting_to_units.html#comment-49933 Fri, 01 Sep 2006 09:30:41 -0600 gotta love that panzer pr0n! http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2006/09/mgs_getting_to_units.html#comment-49930 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2006/09/mgs_getting_to_units.html#comment-49930 Fri, 01 Sep 2006 08:56:35 -0600