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by Staff Sgt. Russell L. Klika September 13, 2006
Spc. Danell Herd and Pfc. Michael Ferryman, from the 3rd Brigade Combat Team, 2nd Infantry Division, greet Iraqi children during a roadside break while looking for smuggling routes along the Syrian/Iraqi border. This photo appeared on www.army.mil.
by Staff Sgt. Russell L. Klika September 13, 2006 Spc. Danell Herd and Pfc. Michael Ferryman, from the 3rd Brigade Combat Team, 2nd Infantry Division, greet Iraqi children during a roadside break while looking for smuggling routes along the Syrian/Iraqi border. This photo appeared on www.army.mil.

"These readers just don’t get soldiers or soldiering."

Over at National Review, they've been having a discussion of troop levels, both in Iraq and in the services in general. Rich Lowry posted an email from an officer, which I've excerpted here and interspersed comments - to get the whole gist you need to probably need to start here and read up...

The writer is mostly correct, though obviously an officer. As a blogger who hears from troops (a self-selecting group that *want* to say something, hence there is bias) the troops say pretty much the same thing - except they want more forceful leadership at the highest levels.

They see the senior military and political leaderhship engaged *about* the war, not *in* the war.

A lot of which is a perception issue, but with an element of truth.

"Stryker versus Heavy vs Light infantry versus SOF could lock an entire Leavenworth class in debate well past graduation. A strawman never fully developed such that a talking head or non-responsible gov’t official can later claim title as Cassandra—the strawman knocked or embraced whichever way the news takes it that day."

This is dead-on. Medieval bishops have nothing on government civilians, officers and pundits (heh, I'm both) wrangling over how many angels can dance on the head of a pin... I know, I get paid to do that. And sometimes, I get paid to provide both sides of the argument their ammunition.

"Sucks that I’ve been to Iraq twice, Afghan once, but – ya know- it aint breakin anything but paradigms in the Pentagon and in Newspapers and even in VFW halls."

I would add... "but, oddly, not breaking any paradigms in the anti-crowd, for whom the clock seems to have stopped at 1975."

This is where the between-the-lines stuff happens - and where the ghost of Vietnam wreaks it's havoc in the political debate back at home.

1. It *isn't* a draftee Army. That makes a huge difference.

2. We aren't taking a Vietnam (much less Korea, WWII, WWI) level of fatal/fully disabling casualties, being suffered by people serving against their wishes, which makes it far more sustainable.

Those two bits alone, and the inability of the aged and doddering anti-crowd to understand that difference, make a huge difference in the quality of the force doing the fighting, and the bafflement of the antis in not being able to mobilize the youth to politics - the bulk of the youth who *really care* in a big way about this particular war... are fighting it. As volunteers.

"Folks just can’t help but fear the Army stretching thin and then cracking or snapping or failing in some structural manner— its just not neat and ideal and budgetable and program-able-. "

And that is where the Administration, and senior military leadership, I think, fumbles the ball. Since the economy is different from the Vietnam-era, so that the felt-at-the-personal-level economic impacts are less obvious and intrusive, they've been able to fight this thing on the relative cheap and not had to mobilize the populace, so to speak, though the President is on that jag now, whether for the long haul, or just to scare everybody into voting Republican in November remains to be seen. In some respects, there are some similarities (and real huge differences because the whole military/political/media structure is different so you can't push this very far) to how we found ourselves fighting in the Phillipines.

Hey— Need Iran done? —the major combat ops won’t take much more than a month, then we can leave or dilly daddle around with democratizing the joint for a few years. Or not. Besides, lots of us haven’t been there yet! Just kidding about that last, there…"

And this is the kind of "Yessir, Can do" attitude that *will* break the services if the senior DoD leadership were to embrace it. I agree with the writer that we can continue what we're doing at the current pace if they'll pick up the bill for the equipment here pretty soon - but I don't believe for a minute we could do anything remotely like Iraq in Iran - especially from a post-MCO perspective - unless Ledeen is correct, and the Iranians will just step right up, take up the reins, and move out smartly. Iran is most certainly not Iraq - but is it different enough?

Of course, Derbyshire would support what I call a "smash and grab" perhaps - it's what he thinks we should have done in Iraq in the first place...

There's no doubt huge holes in this, it's early and I'm only half-way through my first cuppa joe - but that's the nature of punditry, right?

Whattaya think? This is not a fully-developed treatise - it's a high-school forensics meet improv.

U.S. Army Spc. Enriquillo Hernandez provides security as his platoon leader gathers intelligence along the Syria/Iraq border near Forward Operating Base Nimur, Iraq, Aug. 13, 2006. Hernandez is with 1st Squadron, 33rd Cavalry Regiment, 3rd Brigade Combat Team, 101st Airborne Division. (U.S. Army photo by Staff Sgt. Russell Lee Klika) (Released)


U.S. Army Spc. Enriquillo Hernandez provides security as his platoon leader gathers intelligence along the Syria/Iraq border near Forward Operating Base Nimur, Iraq, Aug. 13, 2006. Hernandez is with 1st Squadron, 33rd Cavalry Regiment, 3rd Brigade Combat Team, 101st Airborne Division. (U.S. Army photo by Staff Sgt. Russell Lee Klika) (Released)

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Bush may be trying to "gin up" more support right now because he recognizes that "diplomatic" efforts to peacefully resolve the Iranian nuke issue will not work and because it does not appear as though the Iranian people will overthrow the mullahs themselves, as hoped. He may understand that the US will be compelled to take some kind of military action in Iran soon. Unfortunately, it's almost impossible to do anything without running into an American election cycle, or some other "media event" or "scandal", that critics will use to make a "wag the dog" claim.
 
First to the not often mentioned detail. The US armed forces ARE NOT stretched today. Look at who is actually deployed and for how long. During WWII Soldiers deployed for 4-5 years. Whole units whent from theater to theater. Here we have the Corps deploying for 4-6 months at a time, same with the Navy. The Air force is basically none existant in theater (except the medical personel and some ground support people and of course the emabsy flights and liberty flights and cargo flights) The Army, who stays a year, is only 30-40 % deployed. Look, right now you have 82nd ABN stateside and 101st deployed. You have 3rd INF stateside and 4ID deployed. You have 1 CAV and 3rd ACR stateside and some 2ID deployed. The striker Bde is in theater but there are several Bdes that are not. We tend to count as deployed or commited not just the units that are in theater or enroute but also the ones that are notified to go or recovering stateside. Lets see, We could deploy the Air Force for airstrikes in Iran. A MEF to take the ports and the first 50 miles and the oil platforms. The 82nd ABN, 2nd ACR, a striker Bde and 3 ID can take Tehran. The rest of the country is immaterial. Take and occupy the city and let the population rise against the muhllas. Or... wait until Ahmadinejad and the ayatohllas do one of their scheduled "death to America" rallies and have a dozen cruise missiles pay them a very public visit.
 
I read the two linked articles. I'm trying to figure out something related today, and the two articles play into that. I'm searching to get the real story on the Army after reading a left-leaning columnist who asserted that President Bush had "declared war on the Army" and justified it by listing a lot of negatives regarding recruiting. I'm getting a bit concerned that we as a nation have not gotten on a war footing and we may be straining our military too much for too little in the way of results.
 
Before you write something Jack, let me give you a caution, since I've been working on this for months: there's tons of reading, literally, in like that many pounds of pages that need to be read, before you can say much at all intelligent on the subject. There's been something I wanted to write on just this subject but I've put off because the research necessary to do it properly is mountainous. Be careful. Don't be a hack using ad hoc arguments to justify being against the Iraq Campaign. Don't degenerate into a hack.
 
Rey: I'm not sure that having these formations CONUS doesn't mean we aren't at max commitment. Say, since it is one that I do look at, we had to give help to Taiwan? Those brigades ready to do that? They ready to go back up the ROCA? I doubt it. (Yeah, Taiwan is going to be a sea-air battle predominately, at least on the US side. But if the ROCA crumbles the game is over. Would be nice to have some American troops on the ground to stiffen the spine and reassure the ROC gov't though. Fire brigade, essentially.) I really don't think they are. Not if we're having to leave gear pre-positioned in the ME. That's still the 'hava-no'-Task Force Smith situation since things needed to kill PLA tank Armies(what they call divisions) isn't available. Or say if Cartman Jong-Il finally nuts and sends his forces forward. Sure, SouKor forces can handle it, having paid a high bloodprice for it. Would be a much smaller price if we could help in a serious way---and i don't think they've forgotten how staying off the roads and moving light helped in 1950, so I don't think airpower is all that in this situation. In this sense I agree with those who claim the military, the Army in particular, is stretched thin. We can't do what the leadership has said it wants the military to be able to do and what the govt's policies are. There's a whole list of goats going to hell over that one. We're supposed to be able to do 1-4-2-1(the current admin) and fight 2.5 wars ( that's what the prior admin claimed it could do). But we can't. That means someone needs to be pimp slapped. Just because Big Nasty is gone, that there really isn't a near peer competitor, that we don't need manpower and money for gear. We need to get real about what's necessary from the public and what's necessary from the military. Sorry, Big War needs to stay, but not the only thing we do. Sorry, I know many of my countrymen don't like it, but we still need to give a healthy chunck(more than the 3-5%) of our budget to defense so it can do its job when asked to properly. Adding troops now doesn't do the job. They aren't going to be online fast enough to matter---sending a half trained troopie is more trouble than he's worth. 3-1 rule of logistics. Then add to that the trouble of how to down size afterwards so we can replace equipment as it reaches end of lifespan(which is happening as we speak. How many platforms are on their second or third Life Extension Program?). People are still pissed about the RIF after Vietnam you know. In my opinion, from my studies, if anyone declared war on the military, it was John Q. Taxpayer. He did that in 1919. He did it again in 1946. He did it again in 1975. He tried to do it thruought the 80s. He succeeded in doing it from 1993 to about 2002. BUt that's me.
 
I'm afraid to even say anything on this subject.
 
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