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It's not softer, it's better...

And in many respects, I'm sure that's true. Still, you've all had it easy since I went through the last hard basic in the 70's...

U.S. Army trainees take swings at each other during a hand-to-hand combat competition as part of basic combat training at Fort Jackson, S.C., Aug. 9, 2006. (U.S. Air Force photo by Staff Sgt. Stacy L. Pearsall) (Released)

U.S. Army trainees take swings at each other during a hand-to-hand combat competition as part of basic combat training at Fort Jackson, S.C., Aug. 9, 2006. (U.S. Air Force photo by Staff Sgt. Stacy L. Pearsall) (Released)


Ah, pugil sticks. Now *that* was fun. At least it was if you were a wrestler and noseguard... and no, I don't know why it's a US Air Force photo of BCT troops at Fort Jackson.

Army training not easier. By Bridgett Siter Fort Benning Bayonet

FORT BENNING, Ga. (Army News Service, Sept. 7, 2006) – Lt. Col. Scott Power was in the last hard Ranger School class in 1989. Lt. Col. Chris Forbes was in the last hard Officer Basic Course in 1988. And Sgt. 1st Class Joseph Gaskin, he was in the last hard basic training in 1995.

“So goes it for every Soldier in the history of the Army. No matter when they came through basic training or Ranger School or whatever, they came through the last hard class,” said Power, who sums up his command philosophy to all the drill sergeants under his command at 3rd Battalion, 47th Infantry Regiment, with this message to naysayers and those who believe basic training has gone soft:

“I’m not impressed with leaders who think they have to abuse their Soldiers to train them to standard. I’m not impressed with leaders who think the lack of abuse makes basic training soft,” he said. “We were all in the last hard class – get over it. We do things differently now, and we’re producing Soldiers every bit as good as we ever have.”

A recent spate of letters to the Army Times from Soldiers lamenting the weakening of training, particularly basic and one station unit training, has those in the know – like Power, Gaskin and Forbes – mad as the word they no longer use when addressing new Soldiers.

“I’ve had it up to here with people who say basic training isn’t what it used to be, as if that’s a bad thing,” Power said. “We don’t need to use profanity. We don’t need to demoralize these guys who have volunteered to be here, knowing full well they’re joining an Army at war.

“We’re graduating Soldiers who meet all the standards. We stand behind what we put on Pomeroy Field,” he said, referring to the Sand Hill parade field where nearly 9,000 Soldiers graduate from the Basic Combat Training Brigade each year.

Another 20,000 graduate annually from the Infantry Training Brigade.

Power, Forbes, the commander of the BCTB’s 2nd Battalion, 54th Infantry Regiment, Gaskin and his fellow drill sergeants from 3 Bn., 47th Inf., Regt., addressed the frustrating accusations of a “dumbed-down” basic training last week.

Forbes insists it’s a misconception based on widespread misunderstanding about changes during the past few years. Take the issue of fitness standards, for example. It’s common knowledge, he said, that Soldiers are now only required to pass the PT test with a “50-50-50,” or 50 percent of the push-ups, sit-ups and 2-mile run on an age-based scale, to graduate from basic training.

“But what they don’t say, those who complain about it, is that these Soldiers must pass (advanced individual training) 60-60-60. They have to meet Army standard,” he said. “And the reason for that is we finally recognized that it didn’t make sense to break a Soldier trying to get him to standard in nine weeks rather than build him up in 13. We’re thinking smarter and producing Soldiers more fundamentally fit.”

Power elaborated on the subject of fitness. He’s repeatedly heard complaints about Soldiers doing push-ups on their knees. It’s a particular sore point with Power, because the media has hyped the misconception by printing photos of Soldiers in this position with no explanation.

And there is an explanation.

“We used to push them till they dropped,” he said. “We know better now. Now, when they reach muscle failure, they go to their knees instead of going to the ground. Using the modified technique is actually tougher than the old method; they can’t quit at muscle failure, they have to modify and keep going. We’re building a more physically fit Soldier.”

Power said claims of being among the last “old-school” basic trainees has traditionally been a matter of pride, a matter of jest, among Soldiers. But when they take it seriously, or the media takes it out of context, the facts get distorted or simply ignored.

“Standards change, they always have,” he said. “When I took my first PT test in 1984, we used the old three-event standard; push-ups 68, sit-ups 69 and the 2-mile run, 13.07. Two years later, the standards increased. It got tougher. So you want to talk about ‘back in the day?’ How far back do you really want to go?”

Gaskin, a 29-year-old combat veteran, said it’s the new Soldiers who ultimately pay for the spread of misinformation.

“They come here expecting summer camp, because that’s what they’ve heard. The first couple of weeks are a culture shock,” he said. “I say to anybody who thinks basic training is soft, raise your right hand, come on out and check it out for yourself.”

Gaskin insists basic training is actually “150 percent tougher” than it was when he attended 11 years ago. Back then, he said, training included a form of hazing Soldiers commonly call “smoking.” Gaskin called it unnecessary.

“Now we’re producing fit Soldiers who are ready for combat,” he said, “because they’ve trained with body armor, they’re geared up constantly, constantly doing battle drills and urban operations training and the kind of first-aid training that will actually save lives on the battle field, not the band-aid approach I learned in basic.

“Soldiers today will graduate knowing the kinds of things I didn’t learn till I got to my first duty station, and then some of it, I didn’t know a year later,” said Gaskin, who has been a drill sergeant for nearly a year. “I told myself it would never be that way if I was responsible for training. The worst thing that could happen to me is to know I had a Soldier here for nine weeks and he goes off to combat and something happens to him because of lack of training.”

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Gaskin believes the year he spent in Iraq with the 101st Airborne Division makes him a better drill sergeant. Sgt. 1st Class McKinley Parker agrees. The 37-year-old Parker spent a year in Iraq with the 82nd Airborne Division.

Gaskin and Parker said new Soldiers want to know what to expect in Iraq.

“The most common question they ask is about Iraq – what’s it like. They want to know, and since we were there, we can tell them and drive home the point that they better pay attention to their training, because we were there and we know it’s relevant,” Parker said.

“We do something now that they didn’t do when I was in basic training,” he said. “We have a question and answer time at the end of the day. When I was in basic, you didn’t talk to drill sergeants. That’s changed. We have to be approachable, because you don’t want these guys to have to ask questions when they get to Iraq. Then it’s too late.”

Pvt. David Robertson is in a unique position to speak about the evolution of basic training. The 39-year-old retired firefighter reenlisted in the Army after an 18-year break in service. During an interview six weeks before his Sept. 28 graduation from 1st Battalion, 50th Infantry Regiment, Robertson spoke about the differences in basic training then and now.

“Drill sergeants are a lot more caring now,” he said. “You can tell they really care about their Soldiers and they’re genuinely concerned about preparing us for combat.

“They don’t carry on like they did when I went (to basic training) the first time,” Robertson said, “but I think I’m getting a lot better training with weapons and drills and all.”

One thing hasn’t changed, Robertson said. Drill sergeants are still sticklers for detail. It’s a phenomenon Soldiers refer to as “dress-right-dress.”

Power said that’s because Soldiers must “prove themselves capable of paying attention to the strictest details.”

“If you can’t do the little things well – tuck in your shoe laces every day – you’re not going to handle the big things well,” Power said. “That’s not abuse, that’s common sense training. We didn’t throw out the practices that proved successful and start basic training from the ground up.”

Take for instance, the traditional challenge new Soldiers face first day in basic; they’re given three minutes to make every bunk in the bay.

“That’s an impossible task and an impossible time limit,” Gaskin said. “But it builds teamwork. If you’re that Soldier, you feel real stress and you come together as a team with a bunch of complete strangers to accomplish the mission. We’re building smarter, better trained Soldiers, but everything is still based on teamwork.”

You won’t find “teamwork,” as such, listed in the Army values, but it’s there, Parker said. The majority of recruits “value self above everything else,” he said, but within 72 hours of basic training, the relatively new values-based training “starts to make an impact.”

“Everything they do, good or bad, we teach values,” Parker said. “They came here because they want to be a part of this. They want to fit in, and they start living those values.”

To teach values effectively, drill instructors have to model them, Power said. Gone are the days of “issuing orders from the sidelines.”

“Leaders must be role models first,” he said. “We have to lead by example. We can’t say, ‘Take a lap,’ and stand there and watch. A leader says, ‘Follow me,’ and he trains out in front of his Soldiers. He shows the younger Soldiers that fitness isn’t a basic training value – it’s an Army value, something we value for life.”

Power believes the increase in the number of Soldiers graduating basic training is a testimony to the success of his drill sergeants and the Army’s “new” way of doing business. It’s not, as some would say, the result of softer training.

Sgt. 1st Class Frank Meals believes it also. The 33-year-old combat veteran, a drill sergeant of nine months, said today’s Soldiers leave basic training better equipped to fight than he did in 1992.

“I left basic training prepared to run. I could do push-ups and sit-ups and run,” he said. “Today’s graduates can run, but they’re prepared to stand and fight.

“They know how to defend this country, how to fight and survive and make it back to fight again,” he said. “That’s the difference between then and now.”

31 Comments

Hey, I still get chills whenever I hear the term "Brown Boot Army". LOL
 
Hard is good too, you know. (oh, come on... you had to know I was gonna go there.)
 
"Back then, he said, training included a form of hazing Soldiers commonly call "smoking". Gaskin called it unnecessary." "Back then" must have stopped like 5 Sept 2006, cause they were still doing it for the class that graduated at the end of August 2006. Not that I am complaining it will always exist, and I think it should, but this is simply an example of an Officer PR thingie doing that "La lalalalalal I can't hear you thing." He has no idea what is going on down in the platoons. And about that worst thing that could happen to me is to find out some soldier goes to combat and something happens to him because of lack of training statement. I think this guy needs someone else to take a look at his training especially the rifle range part. Attention to detail in magazine maintenance as well as allowing nothing to interrupt the little amount of time a soldier has on the range to learn riflecraft. (Like interrupting that time for a pompus change of command thingie). What is going on is not in accordance with what this guys is saying is going on. I write this because I want things to be the best possible.
 
jim b walks in to see this: Were-Kitten briefed on September 20, 2006 08:10 AM Hard is good too, you know. blink .. blink blink. jim b keeps moving.
 
I threw this up because I figured it might get some responses, Jim. And I suspect more of them will be like yours. Be interesting to see what former BCT Company Commander Heartless Lib says if he pokes his head in.
 
Heh - My brother had suffered a skull fracture as a kid, so when he was in Basic training (years ago), they wouldn't let him do the pugil sticks. He was seriously bummed!
 
As he shoulda been. There's little more fun than getting all dressed up and whacking at each other with big sticks! Ask any member of the SCA...
 
I see that the ones in the photo above are Wimmins: So I recommend at the next Castle training get together Bill referee's the Castle Wimmins as they suit up and wack at each other with giant Q-tips. Who's gonna put money on which female Denizen to be left standing after the pummelling is over? Anyone? Anyone?
 
I figured you were baiting me John... PT was changed right when I took command, so I never actually commanded with the 'old' standard. But I did have old stats from my predecessor as far as things like recruits lost to injury-mostly stress fractures of various types-and those numbers DID go down after the PT program changed. And Privates now get more and more realistic BRM training than they used to. Change 4 to FM 3-22.9 -which won't even be official until next month-was being implemented at Ft Jackson before I left 15 months ago. This change integrates the EST 2000 into BRM (adding a full day in the process) and changes qual fire, eliminating the foxhole position, now qualifying in the prone supported, prone unsupported, and kneeling. Oh, and in IBA with plates. Privates now do all their tactical training in flak vests-maybe even IBA, but flak vests were all we had when I left. The guys in the Sandboxes needed the IBA more. First aid training is much expanded-and now includes all sorts of stuff learned and developed since ground combat started in Afghanistan and Iraq. And privates now get issued weapons on about Day 3 or 4 and take them with them everywhere except the shower. They get blanks after BRM qual, and lock and load whenever they leave the battalion area. And an ND gets an instant trip back to Day 1 of training, to start all over. Does smoking still happen? Damn skippy. And so, on occasion, does the In Your Face, Top of the Drill's Lungs, Questioning Your Ancestry ass chewing. Hell, I did it a couple of times as a commander, when a private did something egregiously stupid right in front of me, like the time one decided to rest her head on the end of her rifle barrel during my EO class. One thing the article doesn't mention is that privates are now required to re-qualify with the rifle during AIT. And in AIT, it's the way the regular Army does it-go to the zero range, zero, march to the qual range, qualify. Not the two and a half week drawn out process done during Basic. They've added tactical training-done of Saturdays-to AIT as well. That enought for ya, John?
 
Based on the ones I met - I predict the Championship will be between Bad Cat Robot and Kat. They've got the killer instinct in their eyes. Princess Crabby could be a contender, but I don't see the Princess engaging. She'd seduce a sailor to be her Champion.
 
Well, it's certainly more than *I* coulda provided! But we still had tougher BT back inna day* *Bullshite. It was also full of stupid crap, though nowhere near as bad as the late 80's/90's crap.
 
I'm a lover, not a fighter, Jim.... as John has noted in his analysis of the Denizene Q-Tip match outcome. My money would be on Kat. She's one mean mutha when she wants to be.
 
I have a theory (unsubstantiated by recent experience) that BS in BCT goes down during times of protracted conflict (in favor of more practical stuff). I did my BCT at Ft. Jackson during Vietnam and with the exception of one dicke (that as a platoon leader trainee, I got busted out of his hat for pressuring trainees for introductions to their girlfriends and attempting to "borrow" money from) most of the D.I's were darn serious about teaching us the skills many of us were likely to need in the near future. I even encountered one on my way out of VN and walked over to thank him for obviously having done something right (how many D.I.'s had that experience, I wonder...?) This got even better at AIT, the NCO Academy LP course, and the M551 Sheridan school (where there was an unofficial dual curriculum...one for those bound for Germany and one for those bound for VN...and we knew who we were...) I don't know what Army "doctrine" was regarding training, but I had some darn fine instructors who focused on the real issues (with flair and brutal methods sometimes, but always with a purpose) and one who went toe-to-to with a battalion cmdr. during BCT regarding a dis-service to our company issue during bivuac. It was tough, but effective.
 
I was on the trail at Ft Leonard Wood in '88 - '90 training future Combat Engineers. There were three days during training that a DS would probably have given up his drill pay: Pugil Stick day, NBC chamber day, and Day One (company reception). My first cycle as a DS was in late spring '88. In my first platoon of trainees was Paul Ray Smith. Essayons "Let Us Try"
 
Combatives (actual hand-to-hand, jujitsu style, not the pugils in the pic) is a fun activity, too. During my tenure, we actually had one female force a male to tap out. Great stuff.
 
jim b walks through and looks around ... Oh shucks that's nothing I know a bunch of women who have tapped out guys. jim b exits stage right.
 
The comment in the article about leading by example with regards to physical fitness caught my eye. The most inspirational figure I saw during OSUT at Ft. Knox was a reserve LT (we had several Reserve/Guard outfits take over our company during our cycle -- it was their AT). During our first road march, he constantly ran laps around our company. Both ways. With a pack and all. Never seemed winded. We were hit with CS at one point, and after we unmasked I realized that I had left my glasses on the ground back about a klick. So I fell out when we got back to that point, along with 3 drill sergeants, to look for them. No joy. Then the LT, on one of his laps, and to whom I had not spoken about my glasses, came running by, went directly to a spot about 20 meters from where we were, picked up my glasses, handed them to me, and jogged off. I looked at him like he was an Angel of the Lord. Later, when one of my Privates threatened to fall out (I was the Plt Guide), the LT was right there in an instant, making sure I was taking care of my man. That was in '89. I hope he's an LTC by now, leading an armor battalion. I never even knew his name.
 
...now qualifying in the prone supported, prone unsupported, and kneeling. Oh, and in IBA with plates. Glad to see that change made - and that it's being implemented early. Plus the AIT requal -- makes sense even to me. "Train the way you fight, Fight the way you train"! As to battles with Pugil sticks -- I'd be game, sounds like fun ;-) Like Gladiator Jousting, or even Sumo Wrestling?
 
...now qualifying in the prone supported, prone unsupported, and kneeling. Oh, and in IBA with plates. Glad to see that change made - and that it's being implemented early. Plus the AIT requal -- makes sense even to me. "Train the way you fight, Fight the way you train"! As to battles with Pugil sticks -- I'd be game, sounds like fun ;-) Like Gladiator Jousting, or even Sumo Wrestling?
 
I used to love watching American Gladiator. yeah. I'm a dork... but it looked like SO much fun!!
 
I can make you tap out with my thumb. One way or another. ;)
 
Hunter - you obviously laid a good foundation.
 
"Who's gonna put money on which female Denizen to be left standing after the pummelling is over? Anyone? Anyone?" I got a fiver on BCR. That Lady loves here crowbar.
 
Pugil sticks + SCA instantly makes me think of the fine & funny tale of Duke Vissevald Selkirkssen in Basic Training. (Copied from Google Groups, since the comment bot won't let me link to it...) ------------------ The sergeant was teaching the recruits how to fight with sticks, and the usual routine was for the sergeant to challenge one of the newbies to hit him. The newbie would be completely unable to touch the sergeant, and this would establish the meme of "The Sergeant knows infinitely more than you do and you have to learn to do it his way". However, Vis succeeded in hitting the sergeant pretty well. They sparred for a while, and the training officer up on a tower (watching all the various units down on the field training) called down, "Hey, Sergeant. Ask that guy if he's in something called the Society for Creative Anachronism." Sergeant calls back, "He says he is. What's that mean." "It means you can't hit him." Sergeant pauses a moment, and then calls up, "He says he's a Knight. What does that mean?" "It means they can't hit him either." ------------------------------
 
I betcha BCR would cheat, and win. This opinion has, of course, absolutely nothing to do with the way she re-wired my brain, while she had my body in suspended animation in a back room of a sub-basement at BCR Labs.
 
No, really. I think of the very famous boxing match between Olly North and James Webb, when they were both first-classmen at the Naval Academy. I think that Captain Webb has always felt cheated about that, because North used Psychological Warfare, putting the word out that he had a metal plate in his head as a result of a car crash, and if you hit him really hard he might drop dead right there on the spot. I think that Jim Webb may have thought about that for a long time afterwards, just judging from my reading of his books.
 
By February '72, we'd pushed the last-ever batch of draftees through the system. During my 13-month stint as a BCT(I) CO, I found that most of the "US" were more motivated and disciplined than the "ER" "NG" and even most of the "RA"--they'd made a commitment to themselves when they made the decision to report for induction rather than boogie across the border. It's painful to admit it, but we shortchanged all six cycles during their training. Skipped the Hygiene films and anti-aircraft fire, zipped through Army Traditions and Field Sanitation, slashed Drill & Ceremonies once we taught them the basics and we filled the saved time with patrolling, booby-traps, personal camouflage, lots more first aid (extra techniques for sucking chest wounds), ambush / counterambush, lots more land nav and adjusting mortar fire. I usually managed to scrounge 500 rounds a month and a Range for Sunday Shoots. Fast-forward to 1987--Flight Planning Room of a Large Army Airfield: "Tuttle...Tuttle...Would your first name be 'Bill' by any chance?" "Yes, as a matter of (*peering at nametape*) fact. Would your first name be 'Spencer' by any chance?" "Yep." (*simultaneously*) "B-6-2!" and "Cripes--you're a Warrant now!" Heh. One of the lads had seen the light and gone to Flight School after his tour. And he said that everybody from his cycle made it through unscathed, and they can probably still spot a punji pit fifteen feet away...
 
I only fight when I am angry and not to satisfy some man's prurient interests. Men do things to amuse me...not the other way around. You are wrong about BCR, she would be tough but she would not cheat....she has principles. I on the other hand do not. I would cheat. I've never met Kat. However,based on reading her comments and posts I would say she would be tenacious, but again very principled.
 
Staff Sgt Pearsall is assigned to USAF 1st Combat Camera Sq. at Charleston, SC. We go to many nearby posts/bases/naval stations to keep up on training when not actually deployed. That's where this photo came from. By the way Stacy was DOD Military Photographer of the Year in 2003 and is featured on this Octobers cover of PINK magazine. Just FYI.
 
BCT at Ft. Dix, Fall '73; every DI a Vietnam Combat Vet, still in 40-man bays (the old green buildings); plenty of foul words and bawdy cadences; and I disagree with the guy in the article--breaking us down and rebuilding us was something that not only made us better people, but completely eliminated the individual ego issues. Today's soldiers are different, being raised different, but I have NEVEr felt we were treated badly or unfairly by the institution. And I don't care what these folks say, it isn't the same. Is it better? Hard to say, not gone through it. Does it do the job? Well considering we have one bad-a$$ Army, it sure seems so. Just different. BTW, we did the five event PT test, (PU, SU, Inverted crawl, Horizontile Ladder, run-dodge, & jump); gas chamber, endless road marches to the ranges, all weapons; grenades, etc. AND all the Vietnam prep stuff, like how to look for boobytraps before jumping into a ditch, how to react to an ambush; how to check Claymores for tampering; bayonetting tires; how to climb over and around trees and stuff without getting your head blown off; etc.. First aid was band-aid stuff (and sucking chest wounds were the biggie), and NBC was a waste (mask and cover with a ponch0, green on green for the NAA or rather the atropine injectors)... I STILL remember those days, vividly, I can dredge up strong images of training even after 36 years... Was it better than today? I don't have any way to assess, but I do know that what _I_ was taught cetainly stuck with me. I'm just glad we didn't have to do all that crap in full body armor... Ugh... Wearing boots all the time was hard enough, and the sand at Dix was awful... BTW, we were the last BCT Bde to use those old green buildings at Dix. After training was over, all of us waiting on orders had to empty the buildings. Old steel grey wall lockers, wooden foot lockers, bunks, desks, etc. It was amazing, but devestating to see our beautifully maintained, _highly_ polished floor all scuffed and ruined... Anyway, just meandering during lunch... -- V/R
 
My Boot was in 1995, so I have no idea how much the standards have changed since then, but one caveat I would like to see returned is qualifying with the M-16 while standing, kneeling and prone. Today's Army aren't firing from fortified positions regularly thats not to say they never do, its just not the normal occurence. Normal occurence, from what I've seen and heard (which of course could be totaly wrong and I accept this) is head down, shoot, move , communicate, repeat. I do think the tactical training is a good thing. Wish we'd had that beyond getting to go to the AP Hill scenario once a month.
 
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