We're the Military and Airpower Guys of Jonah Goldberg of National Review Online + a stray we found wandering around looking lost. All original material JHD, BHD, JR, WT, and KA 2003-2007 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2006/09/another_never_ending_post_immigration_this_time.html Sun, 03 Aug 2008 16:51:38 Z Movable Type 4.12 en Copyright 2008 http://www.rssboard.org/rss-specification Since John’s said he’s busy doing God’s work and wanted someone to pull in some of the slack around here (wouldn’t hurt if we dusted either) you’re all being subjected to another non-gun pr0n post that never ends. This one is on immigration. You’ve been warned. ry (the real stuff is below the fold.)... http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2006/09/another_never_ending_post_immigration_this_time.html http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2006/09/another_never_ending_post_immigration_this_time.html Wed, 27 Sep 2006 02:46:42 -0600 Molly Maguires. If you want a certain lifestyle you have to earn it and acquire the skills to attain it. Minimum wage is supposed to be just that: the minimum. You've got shelter. You're not starving. That's it. No cable. No designer clothes. No cell phones. No money for a phone at all. It's the minimum to keep a family of four alive. From a purely economic standpoint it does seem like wealth redistrubution, but from a policy pov it makes sense because it keeps employers honest. If only we could get the public to be honest. Thanks Sanger. You're not the only person I know who has your opinions. Maybe I should put you in contact with a guy I know who lives up in Alaska(former Squid). He's got some data and annecdotes you might find interesting. And you're right. I probably could've said the same in 1/2-1/4 the words. But that wouldn't be me now would it?;) ]]> http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2006/09/another_never_ending_post_immigration_this_time.html#comment-51039 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2006/09/another_never_ending_post_immigration_this_time.html#comment-51039 Sat, 30 Sep 2006 14:32:17 -0600 Two Comments: Re: comment 1. I expect anyone that inarticulate really doesn't have much of a clue about what our founding fathers wanted, nor about what Ry meant. Re: the geat meandering post (you could have said the same thing in half the words, though): Ry! good Deal!! Interestingly, my Masters' Thesis is to be about this very subject, and a lot of what you wrote is going into that [ albeit I'll need to cite sources for my conjectures. :-) ] That said, I'll add this, just to stir the pot: 1) I am all for an American Union--a complete and utter aggregation of all three major countries on the North American continent. As soon as the other two agree to abide by and support the Constitution of the U.S. without much in the way of modification. This is NOT as far fetched an idea as it seems, regardless of the language issues. Really. The issues are not nearly as complex as most people think, considering that the ruling class of Mexico is much more European than most Americans realize... The devil's in the details, but in the long run, the U.S. and Mexico would benefit beyond imagining from a joining... Imagine being able to travel from Maine to Cancun in a country under a single rule of law, with one currency, one government. Does anyone imagine all Americans would stay in the current U.S. or that all Mexicans would stay in the current Mexico? And would it really be so damned terrible if people in this country learned to speak two languages or if the two blended (in a couple hundred years), so long as the priciples we value today are still important then... 2) NAFTA is better by far for the U.S. than for Mexico, regardless of dumb ol' Perot's giant sucking sound nonsense, for all of the reasons you mentioned. 3) As for minimum wage, I believe that's just liberal wealth distribution based on incorrect notions of what actually makes people well off. I am adamantly opposed to minimum wage laws. If people can't eat on what they earn, then they won't do the work, no matter what people think... Especially if they can get enough to eat by going on the dole... Minimu wage is a sham, the same way its a sham to cheat waitresses by allowing restaurants to include tips in the their salaries.. And I don't hear many people complain about that bit of g restaurant lobby shyterism. No, that's all just crap that has no meaning, considering that McD's pays above minimum wage to start, and people who work the fields, like the seasonal likely-illegals who work for my brother-in-law in South Texas are earning what they are willing to accept. And THAT keeps the price of cotton down, and it keeps people gainfully employed who would NOT be employed, either here or in Mexico. People need to eat, and the idea that illegals are taking jobs from Americans is bull$hit, just as is the notion that they are using an inappropriate amount of public resources. I have a step-brother who's an oxygen thief and a sister-in-law who's been more of a drain on the public good, and of absolutely no use to this country in any way shape or form for the 25 years I've known her, to say nothing of the time she spent in prison for bank robbery. So tell me how it is that she is more deserving of welfare and public child care than some mexican family who comes here, lives in hovels in fear of the law, who does grueling work from before sunup to after sundown in all weather, and still feel like they've made the big time if their kids can get an education in an American school!?!? Yeah, I realize that became a mild rant, but this is a subject near and dear to my heart! I am certain I am alive ONLY because my great grandparents were fortunate enough to leave Europe before America's close relations the Germans were able to turn them into soap! Immigrants are why this country is great. Our divinely inspired constitution gives immigrants the room to succeed, but it takes the will and the drive to do so.... I say, 1) open the borders wider to anyone who wants to come here legally and work, 2) grant limited amnesty (leading to citizenship) to most folks who have been here at least 4-5 years and have a record of working, and 3) grant rapid exit visas to anyone who doesn't want to get off his or her dead a$$ and work. I'm sure they'd find a much more hospitable envrionment elsewhere. Canada or Britain would be good. . . http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2006/09/another_never_ending_post_immigration_this_time.html#comment-50988 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2006/09/another_never_ending_post_immigration_this_time.html#comment-50988 Thu, 28 Sep 2006 21:04:23 -0600 Huh? You free basing WND or something? How do you get 'fix the borders in a smart way and make it possible for them to enjoy prosperity in their own damn country' and turn that into 'NAFTA as gov't'? That's not what I said. Not in any way shape or form. Maybe you aren't speaking directly to what I wasted 'trons on, and maybe that's what I'm tweaking on. Yet, still, how do you turn 'wow, I'm glad the peach growers are feeling a pinch because of their long tradition of using illegal immigrants because that means we'll fix the system such that illegals no longer supress the minimum wage' into a black helicopter conspiracy of a single gov't presiding over N. America. I don't want that. I don't think I implied that at all. http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2006/09/another_never_ending_post_immigration_this_time.html#comment-50965 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2006/09/another_never_ending_post_immigration_this_time.html#comment-50965 Thu, 28 Sep 2006 00:20:34 -0600 I dont want to part of any damn NORTH AMERICAN UNION i mean to disolve our borders smacks a treason its not what our founding fathers wanted http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2006/09/another_never_ending_post_immigration_this_time.html#comment-50962 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2006/09/another_never_ending_post_immigration_this_time.html#comment-50962 Wed, 27 Sep 2006 20:57:55 -0600