We're the Military and Airpower Guys of Jonah Goldberg of National Review Online + a stray we found wandering around looking lost. All original material JHD, BHD, JR, WT, and KA 2003-2007 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2006/08/lets_try_something_different.html Sun, 03 Aug 2008 16:53:31 Z Movable Type 4.12 en Copyright 2008 http://www.rssboard.org/rss-specification Rather than me being all snarky and showing off I can stump you by controlling the variables (hardly fair) - I'm just going to slap this up there and let *you* guys show off what you know about what this is and how it works, vice "Can you figure out that this is an elephant when all I show you is a cellular slice from a polyp inside it's trunk?" like I usually do... Hey, I know I'm mean - but you keep coming back, so, we're like co-dependent, right? Don't forget to explain *why* a feature is there, not... http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2006/08/lets_try_something_different.html http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2006/08/lets_try_something_different.html Mon, 28 Aug 2006 07:34:02 -0600 I was wondering if someone was going to find that page... and no I can't. I don't own this particular one. http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2006/08/lets_try_something_different.html#comment-49828 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2006/08/lets_try_something_different.html#comment-49828 Wed, 30 Aug 2006 05:39:38 -0600 http://www.autoweapons.com/products/destructivedevices.html (scroll down to "HE Practice Grenades- $350). Could you confirm it's a 40mm x 46SR vice a 40mm x 53SR? Cheers JMH]]> http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2006/08/lets_try_something_different.html#comment-49825 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2006/08/lets_try_something_different.html#comment-49825 Tue, 29 Aug 2006 21:57:36 -0600 Is it some kind of WP incendiary grenade? http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2006/08/lets_try_something_different.html#comment-49779 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2006/08/lets_try_something_different.html#comment-49779 Mon, 28 Aug 2006 22:33:39 -0600 OK... it's looking more like the usual Whatziss you host around here, John! Much less like the previous picture, which was very phallic. This one, on the other hand... well, let's just say it has too many sharp edges. http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2006/08/lets_try_something_different.html#comment-49771 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2006/08/lets_try_something_different.html#comment-49771 Mon, 28 Aug 2006 14:48:27 -0600 Ah - Not fair. Some Scrup'l did quick work with a can of 7955 Silver Metalic Rust-Oleum. http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2006/08/lets_try_something_different.html#comment-49765 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2006/08/lets_try_something_different.html#comment-49765 Mon, 28 Aug 2006 10:47:56 -0600 "I'm waiting for people to give me details (like the lamented SezaGeoff's post) about how they work..." How it works is more or less conventional ignition for a center-fire cartridge, but the explosive rounds are spin-armed, which is to say that they need to be fired and traverse a certain distance before they arm, something like 20 meters I think. Thus, they cannot be dropped, thrown or otherwise used for their intended purpose without some other fusing (if improvising a mine or something). Single shot, the M79 is break-open, the M203 a forward sliding tube under the main weapon (say, M16 or CAR-15) with a separate trigger and sights. My rig (and a heckuva' John Wayne picture) is here: http://www.lcompanyranger.com/usweapons/xm203page.htm I'm on my way out the door for S. America at the moment, so will leave details on nomenclature to those with a lil' more time. It looks long for N M433, so maybe M381/M441? "The firing pin strikes the primer, whose flash ignites the propellant in the brass powder-charge cup inside the high-pressure chamber. The burning propellant produces 35,000 psi (2,461 kg/cm²) chamber pressure, which ruptures the brass powder-charge cup at the vent holes. This allows the gases to escape to the low-pressure chamber in the cartridge case, where the pressure drops to 3,000 psi (211 kg/cm²) and propels the grenade from the muzzle at a velocity of 250 fps (76 mps). The rifling in the barrel causes the grenade to rotate. The grenade's 37,000-rpm right-hand spin stabilizes the grenade during flight and applies enough rotational force to arm the fuze." ]]> http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2006/08/lets_try_something_different.html#comment-49764 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2006/08/lets_try_something_different.html#comment-49764 Mon, 28 Aug 2006 10:47:19 -0600 Heh - I'm waiting for people to give me details (like the lamented SezaGeoff's post) about how they work... Or are all of you guys who use 'em the "I don't care if it's magic, s'long as it works!" type? And Doug, you are actually *very* close on nomenclature... but not quite there. http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2006/08/lets_try_something_different.html#comment-49763 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2006/08/lets_try_something_different.html#comment-49763 Mon, 28 Aug 2006 10:12:26 -0600 I'm not real sure about the color on the projo, but if it's gold and not silver, I'm inclined to M406 HE 40mm M79/203 round of U.S. manufacture. I think there's an M376/M386 or so as well. I don't see any green, which strikes me as not quite right. You'd think I'd remember this, I fired enough of 'em in RVN (M203). http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2006/08/lets_try_something_different.html#comment-49762 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2006/08/lets_try_something_different.html#comment-49762 Mon, 28 Aug 2006 09:45:47 -0600 I was spelling "fonetickally" John.. hoping that I would get past the PG17C. I figger'd you dig me on "phallic", since I get in-trouble-fied for saying "well, $hit". harumph..... As far as short and squatty goes... as long as he knows how to use it, I'm good! Being hung like a bear doesn't do anyone any good if you don't know what to do with it. Oh... fd... you mustn't have attended many Castle Cuddle Puddle parties if you think that only the guys around here are obsessed! hehe.... *winks, and slinks back up to chandelier perch to watch the boys ponder over John's Whatziss* http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2006/08/lets_try_something_different.html#comment-49760 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2006/08/lets_try_something_different.html#comment-49760 Mon, 28 Aug 2006 09:33:20 -0600 phallic? The PG-17C doesn't mind that spelling and usage... and, boy, W-K, if that's what you expect in regard to that... they grow 'em short and squat where you live!~]]> http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2006/08/lets_try_something_different.html#comment-49756 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2006/08/lets_try_something_different.html#comment-49756 Mon, 28 Aug 2006 08:57:02 -0600 guys were sex-obsessed!]]> http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2006/08/lets_try_something_different.html#comment-49755 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2006/08/lets_try_something_different.html#comment-49755 Mon, 28 Aug 2006 08:36:57 -0600 Must.Show.Restraint... Must.Not.State.Obvious.... omgican'tstanditfallicfallicfallic!!!!!!!!!!!!! http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2006/08/lets_try_something_different.html#comment-49753 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2006/08/lets_try_something_different.html#comment-49753 Mon, 28 Aug 2006 08:31:38 -0600 Ok, I will go with the obvious. 40mm grenade. US origin. Not really any "belt" marks on it, so it isnt for a MK19 so it must be for a M203 or M79. Silver tip with OD body doesnt tell me what type it is.. so I will go with HE.(High Explosive) http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2006/08/lets_try_something_different.html#comment-49752 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2006/08/lets_try_something_different.html#comment-49752 Mon, 28 Aug 2006 08:27:20 -0600 lol snarked by self. It doesn't get worse does it? http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2006/08/lets_try_something_different.html#comment-49750 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2006/08/lets_try_something_different.html#comment-49750 Mon, 28 Aug 2006 08:01:43 -0600 Sigh. I blew it. I put the wrong pic up. That was *supposed* to be the *after* pic. Geoff - I've saved your answer, and I'll put it back up later. (OW!) [sound of foot kicking desk] http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2006/08/lets_try_something_different.html#comment-49749 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2006/08/lets_try_something_different.html#comment-49749 Mon, 28 Aug 2006 07:56:23 -0600 M79 launcher and ammo But I am not sure about the fuzing of the grenade - it looks almost like a timing mechanism, and they won't let me play with that sort of stuff! ]]> http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2006/08/lets_try_something_different.html#comment-49748 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2006/08/lets_try_something_different.html#comment-49748 Mon, 28 Aug 2006 07:53:26 -0600