Good Saturday Morning!
Amazing Home Remedies
1. If you are choking on an ice cube, don't panic. Simply pour a cup of boiling water down your throat and presto! The blockage will be almost instantly removed. [This will also clear a cosmolined bore - just make sure you don't do it in the kitchen. I've found SWWBO gets very put out when I do things like this in the kitchen...]
2. Clumsy? Avoid cutting yourself while slicing vegetables by getting someone else to hold them while you chop away. [Or when unsheathing bayonets...]
3. Avoid arguments with the Mrs. About lifting the toilet seat by simply using the sink. [I'd vouch for this but SWWBO would *kill* me]
4. For high blood pressure sufferers: simply cut yourself and bleed for a few minutes, thus reducing the pressure in your veins. Remember to use a timer. [I can vouch for this one.]
5. A mouse trap, placed on top of your alarm clock, will prevent you from rolling over and going back to sleep after you hit the snooze button. [Or drinking that beer]
6. If you have a bad cough, take a large dose of laxatives, then you will be afraid to cough.
7. Have a bad toothache? Smash your thumb with a hammer and you will forget all about the toothache.
8. Sometimes, we just need to remember what the rules of life really are: You only need two tools - WD-40 and Duct Tape. If it doesn't move and should, use the WD-40. If it shouldn't move and does, use the duct tape.
9. Remember: Everyone seems normal until you get to know them.
10. SOME PEOPLE ARE LIKE SLINKIES...THEY ARE NOT REALLY GOOD FOR ANYTHING, BUT...THEY STILL BRING A SMILE TO YOUR FACE WHEN YOU PUSH THEM DOWN A FLIGHT OF STAIRS
Reporting As Ordered, Sir! »
Heh - thanks for the smiles to start my day. Since the remainder will be filled with continuation of the back yard landscaping involving moving 24 and 60 pound wall blocks (again - once off the truck to the stack, off the stack to the area where the walls are being built, then positioned on the wall), tossing stones outta the way, raking dirt, and generally too much time bent over, I needed some giggles to start me off. Cheers -- see ya later ;-)
posted by
Barb on September 2, 2006 10:25 AM
Ya shoulda gotten a pool boy to do this for you.
You get the view, he gets the sore muscles...
posted by
John of Argghhh! on September 2, 2006 10:51 AM
If only. Although the Hubster has a cute butt, well worthy of watching. Day 3 of landscaping torture, and so far we've cleared all of the areas to be worked (about 1/5 acre), finished one wall, started and finished another wall, built a short set of steps from blocks, and are halfway through building a 3rd wall. Almost all of the 17 yards of topsoil are deposited here and there, and today we'll have to go buy a buncha green stuff to plant. YeeHar.
posted by
Barb on September 2, 2006 2:24 PM
It can't be *that* bad if yer fingers can still type. Or has Fuzzy slipped you a PVIT laptop?
posted by
John of Argghhh! on September 2, 2006 4:40 PM
« Dismissed, Soldier!
Gee, I miss the Uniform sometimes...

Heh. As I sit here, in my cube farm (featureless and unlovely except for the McFarlane's Military action figures ((oh, all right, dolls)) atop my bookholderthingy) haphazardly ensconced in a (badly) converted barracks (these buildings were designed to actually be reasonably cool in the summer before artificial refrigeration became popular - but when you remove all those features so the sun pounds on the bricks, lock the windows, put in walls where none were intended and then wedge in an improperly designed central air afterthought that doesn't cool that well, but, I digress) on the oldest continuously active Fort west of the Mississippi (which is really ironic, as it was supposed to be on the *east* bank of the Missouri river... vice where the good Colonel actually put it ((which was a good decision, actually - the east bank was a foetid swamp back in the day - now it's just... Missouri, but I redundant myself)) surrounded by mostly contractors and a few GS civilians too cheap to take vacation today (aside: What do I miss most at this moment from hanging up the Uniform? Training Holidays!) I find that I have time to, oddly enough, answer Denizenne Cricket's Question:
A 'Flat Daddy?' Good helk. I knew someone in the Army would go around the twist and now it happened. We didn't have them when I was a young
bride and I don't see why these women have to be wet nursed through a dedployment. No sir! We said "Flibbertyfloo!" and drove on. [This wasn't the question, I just like the word "Flibbertyfloo!" and wanted it on *my* blog - no reason Cassie should get all the fun, dammit! The question comes next]
In your peregrinations around the web, oh Princess, might I make a request of you?
About thirty or so years ago there was this film...had monks chanting about the shape of the earth, a chicky boo in a disco having a milkshake made in her head and it started with ping pong balls.
Could you hunt that puppy down?
Posted by: Cricket at September 1, 2006 10:46 AM
She asked it over in Cassie's Coffee Snorter, which, even if you read it earlier from my link above, you should go recheck because the comments are a hoot... Oh, yeah - Why Man Creates. And it was 38 years ago, geez, off by almost a quarter!
You're welcome. And of course, now I want to see it. Why? How could I not, after this?
Germ: I'm a germ, I'm a bug. I'm a germ, I'm a bug.
[sees a foot]
Germ: Louis Pasteur! I'm not a germ, I'm not a bug. I'm not a germ, I'm not a bug.
Now *that's* good humor!
Oh - and the above is why I'm *never* going to get published as more than a blog post buried in someone else's book... I cannot *resist* an aside...
Reporting As Ordered, Sir! »
Aiiiieeee!!!
You're my hero!
posted by
Cassandra on September 1, 2006 3:34 PM
Hehe...Action figures. In my old civilian office (mostly ladies) they had a great big collection of animal figurines that they would stack as high as possible on a Friday afternoon just to see if the cleaning staff would knock over "The Animal Stack." On my first birthday with the company, the ladies added a cheap Chinese imitation-GI-Joe to the menagerie (many more would follow), and thus the "Man Stack" was born. Next week on the anniversary of my quitting, I'll post some of the funniest "stacks" I photographed.
posted by
Cowboy Blob on September 1, 2006 10:06 PM
Ah ha! He does know about verbosity. Hiding it from us all this time. Indulge your inner wordiness, John. ;)
posted by ry on September 1, 2006 10:54 PM
I've spent an entire career fighting that urge.
Besides - I stuck history and engineerng lessons, two workplace cultural observations, a state snark, wistful remembrance, two self-snarks, an ad, some link love *and* answered the question in 491 words, and tied it all together in a moderately topical knot.
Plllpppppt!
posted by
John of Argghhh! on September 2, 2006 7:46 AM
« Dismissed, Soldier!
Glenn Ford, Captain, USNR (ret), RIP.
Here something I'm betting you didn't know.
Canadian born American patriot and Hollywood great Glenn Ford passed away in his LA home.
Star of such films as "The Blackboard Jungle", "Gilda", "The Big Heat" and "Midway", he was also a bona fide gunslinger.
Ford joined the Marines in WWII for a two year hitch where he served at the Marine Corps Recruit Depot in San Diego, and he spent a year at the Marine barracks in Quantico, Va. Later he joined the Naval Reserve with the rank of lieutenant commander.
During the Vietnam War, Ford served periods of active duty with the 3rd Marine Amphibious Force. He was a briefing officer on new weapons and served under fire at Da Nang, Monkey Mountain, the Rock Pile, Chu Lai, Pleiku and Quang Tri. Ford also went on at least one mission with the Army's Special Forces... making him the only Hollywood actor to see combat with both the Marines and the SF.
Ford said of his service with the Marine Corps - “It made me grow up. I'll always be grateful to the Marines for making a man out of me.”
Hollywood sure could use more men like Captain Ford.
Amen.
Now is the time at Castle Argghhh! when we dance: In Memoriam.
H/t, Jim C.
Reporting As Ordered, Sir! »
Some of the young folks I work with didn't recognize the name when I mentioned this yesterday. Thanks for this, John. Not only was he a Patriot, I always thought he was a FINE actor!
posted by
MissBirdlegs in AL on September 1, 2006 2:46 PM
I was a fan - "Dear Heart" was one of my favorite movies. Plus he starred opposite my alter ego Rita Hayworth in "Gilda".
But now....mmmmmmm.....doesn't he look good in that uniform? LOL You know my weakness........
posted by
Maggie on September 1, 2006 4:53 PM
I remembered he was a Captain in the Navy, but then I am old enough lol.
I also thought he was a great actor and hated how the Hollywood bigshots put a sort of blackball on him and his opportunities in the '60's went down in the movie making business. He got a resuragence with Tom Selleck casting him in one of the Sackett movies.
posted by
Sage on September 1, 2006 6:06 PM
I've heard we are losing 1,000 WWII vets a day now. There were some hollywood heros in those days. Too bad there aren't many now.
He does look good in that uniform!
posted by
beth on September 1, 2006 11:08 PM
Hear hear! A fine man, along with the Duke, Clark Gable, Patrick Doohan, Jimmy Stewart.
We will see their like again as long as we have something to live, love and fight for.
We have those kinds of heroes now. They may not be on the silver screen, but they are unsung, quiet and consistent.
posted by Cricket on September 2, 2006 8:57 AM
Hat tip and link: http://www.oldwardogs.us/2006/09/well_damn.html
posted by
Ponsdorf on September 2, 2006 8:18 PM
« Dismissed, Soldier!
If you haven't seen this...
...you should.
Follow Israeli Infantry in a night attack. It's long, but worth it.
Some of you vets will find your palms sweaty.
Note to the narrating journalist - they are. They are just as scared as you.
Note the chaos - the not knowing what, exactly is going on. That's how most soldiers see combat - and what we try to ameliorate with Blue Force Tracker, individual radios, ubiquitous night vision... but at the point of contact, yer always lonely.
[Update: Looks like the link may have exceeded the bandwidth, or someone asked that it be removed.
Mebbe if you check back later it will work. You can try a right click and save as - that worked for me - but could also be because I've played it before and the file is stored on my machine (though I did flush the cache to check)]
Reporting As Ordered, Sir! »
Mebbe it's just me, but that link doesn't seem to be working.
posted by AFSister on September 1, 2006 2:30 PM
Mebbe it's just you... but you didn't read the whole post, either... 8^)
posted by
John of Argghhh! on September 1, 2006 2:45 PM
:-P
take THAT.... you, you... you Armorer, you...
The right-click, save-as worked for me.
BTW, it's not just the vets who will get sweaty palms watching this. Holy crap. Their language may be foreign, but their words, feelings, and thoughts are universal. Words, feelings and thoughts such as brotherhood, training, unity, trust, fear, controlled chaos, love, bravery, commitment, and family come to mind.
You ALL need to watch this. Watch this and realize that our guys face this same kind of battle all over Iraq and Afghanistan nearly every day. Damn.
Matt posted an email he received from Questing Cat regarding the newbies and their bravado, versus the seasoned warrior's experience. I couldn't help but think about it when watching this vid and listening to the officers (and nco's) address their troops. You know some of those guys are new and scared- and the trust they display in their leaders is astounding.
I've watched Gunner Palace, but nothing in there compares to this 27 minute vid when it comes to fire-fights. This made it very real for me, to actually see video from the ground before, during and after the mission, instead of being shielded from the actual battles that go on.
OK, I'm rambling, but I just can't seem to find the right succint words to describe my feelings after watching that. I think some of you will know exactly what I mean after you watch it.
posted by AFSister on September 1, 2006 3:38 PM
« Dismissed, Soldier!
Unusual Strike Packages.

From an email.
In October 1965, CDR Clarence J. Stoddard, Executive Officer of VA-25 "Fist of the Fleet", flying an A-1H Skyraider, NE/572 "Paper Tiger II" from Carrier Air Wing Two aboard USS Midway carried a special bomb to the North Vietnamese in commemoration of the 6 millionth pound of ordinance dropped. This bomb was unique because of the type... it was a toilet!
The following is an account of this event, courtesy of Clint Johnson, Captain, USNR Ret. Captain Johnson was one of the two VA-25 A-1 Skyraider pilots credited with shooting down a MiG-17 on June 20, 1965.
I was a pilot in VA-25 on the 1965 Vietnam cruise.
The 572 was flown by CDR C. W. "Bill" Stoddard. His wingman in 577 (which was my assigned airplane) was LCDR Robin Bacon, who had a wing station mounted movie camera (the only one remaining in the fleet from WWII).
The flight was a Dixie Station strike (South Vietnam) going to the Delta. When they arrived in the target area and CDR Stoddard was reading the ordnance list to the FAC, he ended with "and one code name Sani-flush".
The FAC couldn't believe it and joined up to see it. It was dropped in a dive with LCDR Bacon flying tight wing position to film the drop. When it came off, it turned hole to the wind and almost struck his airplane. It made a great ready room movie. The FAC said that it whistled all the way down. The toilet was a damaged toilet, which was going to be thrown overboard.
One of our plane captains rescued it and the ordinance crew made a rack, tailfins and nose fuse for it. Our checkers maintained a position to block the view of the air boss and the Captain while the aircraft was taxiing forward.
Just as it was being shot off, we got a 1MC message from the bridge, "What the hell was on 572's right wing?" There were a lot of jokes with air intelligence about germ warfare. I wish that we had saved the movie film.
CDR Stoddard was later killed while flying 572 in Oct 1966.
He was hit by three SAMs over Vinh.
Now, the humorless anti's would demand an investigation into the war crime.
Reporting As Ordered, Sir! »
Puts a new meaning to: The Schiß Hit die Lüfter
posted by Boquisucio on September 1, 2006 8:00 AM
I can only imagine what the VC/NVA on the ground must have thought....hear a whistling noise, look up and see a toilet incoming. Incredible Psyops act, if naught else!
Thanks for passing that story along to all of us.
posted by
Major John on September 1, 2006 9:16 AM
I don't think I'm ever going to be able to say "...and the kitchen sink" with a straight face ever again.
posted by J-P on September 1, 2006 9:26 AM
Was it 'loaded' or was it just a inert package?
posted by
marvin on September 1, 2006 9:51 AM
the real question is: Which costs more the 'saniflush' special or the regular package next to it.
posted by
marvin on September 1, 2006 9:53 AM
Negative knowledge this location as to which explosive compound might have been the filler.
Ewwww for asking the question! Regardless of how obvious it was... 8^D
posted by
John of Argghhh! on September 1, 2006 9:54 AM
Naval ordnance manuals call this the "Mk VI SH1T" device:
"Smelly, High Impact, Toilet".
LOL
posted by fdcol63 on September 1, 2006 12:09 PM
I'm unreliably informed by a pilot that a piano launched off a flight deck over Hong Kong harbour will be easily visible by the castors glowing red by the time it leaves the deck.
This was the same source who claimed to have been involved in sticking a tank barrel through a window of the officers mess and firing a blank during a formal dinner.
I personally never moved beyond a coleslaw greanade myself. Actually I don't even know what that is. I also have no kowledge of what a "dog food mortar" is.
Well ok sure the yelling of "left stick, left stick, drop ramp, drop ramp" into the radio during a major mech inf assault was atributed me but I deny all knowledge of any such event.
I also had nothing to do with an entire infantry platoon (less the shiny new plt cmd) getting up and moving one ridge line over in the middle of the night.
My father also wants it known that he and other un-named chiefs of the Royalist did not at anytime fit out their mess with carpet from the RY Britania and they certainly never inflated at 40 man raft in the captains cabin.
These day people wouldn't have to make such claifications or denials.
Sad really.
posted by
Murray on September 3, 2006 1:55 AM
« Dismissed, Soldier!
MGS getting to Units.

FORT LEWIS, Wash. (Army News Service, Aug. 29, 2006) – A long wait is over for Stryker Mobile Gun System (MGS) crews of the 4th Brigade, 2nd Infantry Division.
The 2nd Battalion, 23rd Infantry, received its complement of MGS vehicles last month after more than a year of waiting. They are the first vehicles to be fielded in the Army.
“I think its going to give the infantry a whole new dimension of what they can do. Armor and infantry have kept each other at arm’s length for years and years," said Sgt. 1st Class David Cooper, an MGS platoon sergeant with B Company, 2-23 Inf. "We’ve got some growing pains, but once we get out there and they see what we can do, we’re going to be everybody’s friend.”
Each infantry company is slated to receive three vehicles, though crews don't expect to operate together except on rare occasions.
The vehicles carry crews of three, and are equipped with a 105 mm main gun and a state-of-the-art fire control system. The MGS also has an onboard coaxial machine gun that’s fire controlled.
“You can literally shoot smiley faces with it at 900 meters,” said Cooper. “Even minus the big gun we can give the infantry a lot of support.”
The 105 mm is capable of firing four types of rounds: SABOT, a depleted-uranium armor-piercing round; HEAT, high-explosive anti-tank; HEP, high-explosive plastic; and a canister round. The rounds are loaded using a hydraulic auto-loader in the rear of the vehicle.
The HEP and canister rounds give Stryker units new capabilities, especially in urban areas. The HEP can blow holes in reinforced concrete walls, but unlike the rounds from an Abrams, won’t continue through the target and into surrounding buildings. The canister provides as effective anti-personnel capability.
“The vehicle’s basic role is to support the infantry. It’s not there to take on tanks or go toe-to-toe in the wide-open desert like we did with the Abrams,” said Sgt. 1st Class William Ozmet, an MGS instructor from Fort Knox, Ky. “Its primary function is blowing a hole in the wall or blowing up bunkers.”
Over the past year, the crews have been training with TOW-ITAS Humvees or other Stryker variants. Finally having the vehicles gives the crews a chance to delve into training.
“I can actually start focusing on our training, both on our mission tasks and working with the infantry,” said 1st Lt. Christopher Lilley, the MGS platoon leader in B Co.
The MGS also comes equipped with training software that allows Soldiers to train on various engagements in their own vehicles, instead of going to a simulator somewhere else.
Once the 4th Bde. completes training, instructors from General Dynamics Land Systems will move on to equip and train Soldiers in Hawaii and Pennsylvania. Training for those units may change according to lessons learned here, but the vehicle itself is expected to remain mostly unchanged.
“I’m confident that this will turn out to be a successful piece of equipment for us, the infantry and the Army,” said Lilley.
Reporting As Ordered, Sir! »
gotta love that panzer pr0n!
posted by
MajMike on September 1, 2006 8:56 AM
Anyone know how effective that HEP stuff is? Sounds interesting.
posted by J-P on September 1, 2006 9:30 AM
J-P it's been around a while. The brits developed it during WWII to defeat concrete. More here.
posted by
John of Argghhh! on September 1, 2006 9:36 AM
Kind of odd to hear tankers get all enthusiastic about supporting the Infantry.
posted by
Heartless Libertarian on September 1, 2006 11:09 PM
They were too big and heavy to fly in most aircraft. They have to be uparmored at desination because of the extra weight. They were prone to flipping upside down when the main gun was fired (supposed to be fixed) they were over a year late deployed.
They had better work, or lots of heads will roll.
Papa Ray
posted by Papa Ray on September 2, 2006 12:09 AM
HEP kills armor by spalling of the armor. Based on the Britsh HESH round (old M60A1/A3 tanker) primary use: anti-material/personnel, secondary anti-armor, Color code projectel painted OD green, with yellow lettering (HE filler) and black band below the ogive (Anti-armor), 3 (three) red T to denote tracer. has the ballistic arc of a rainbow. This round is indexed into the M13 commputer when seting up the rangecard for the defencive possition. Max effective range 4400 meters (using tank fire control system) however, ranges in excess of 10K possible when using the gunners quardant and the fireing table.
posted by Mudpuppy1975 on September 2, 2006 12:29 AM
Heh. All of the rest of us are about supporting the infantry, Dave. If we don't break that code... they'll make us... Infantry.
We're just trying to escape being Infantillery!
Though we did finally manage to score a badge, eh?
posted by
John of Argghhh! on September 2, 2006 7:50 AM
Oh, I dunno, Papa Ray - the M1 M2 M3 series of vehicles all had serious teething problems... and no heads rolled.
That's a part of the problem - no heads *ever* roll, unless someone is caught with their hands in the till.
posted by
John of Argghhh! on September 2, 2006 7:51 AM
I remenber seeing the AGS at the Armor Conferance back in '78/'79. Cadillac Gage was the prime contractor. Had automative systems based on the MICV hull and used the M68 105mm cannon with a soft recoil system. This was intended to replace the M551A1 in the 82nd.
posted by Mudpuppy1975 on September 2, 2006 10:50 AM
« Dismissed, Soldier!
Lieutenant Watada...
Got the following comment to my post at Milblogs.
Rick (coming in from a [bogus] Yahoo Germany email address) left this:
The trial is certainly a show, but because that's the only way to wake up some Americans from their materialistic comas. You don't see much coverage in the media about this guy, but you certainly see how people complain about waiting 6 hours for fuel standing next to their gas-guzzling, ozone corroding SUV.
And you people always find it so easy to find some hidden agenda to attribute such actions. What about good old fashion patriotism? The kind this great country was founded upon. I don't see you people questions Bushy boy’s hidden agenda. Where are the WMDs?? Where is Bin Laden? LOL you people...
My reponse? This:
Rick - I was born in Germany and lived there over 15 years. Spare me the "materialistic" jibes. You germans like your creature comforts and toys, too. Just because you tax yourself to a level where you can't have as many... well, that's more making a virtue of a vice than true virtue.
As for the rest of your comments - guess who doesn't read too many milblogs.
I thought it was bad, from a leftist dialectic perspective, to engage in "you people" lumping into categories? I guess not - as long as the people in question aren't... your people.
Moving along -
If Lieutenant Watada wishes to self-destruct, he has that right. But he doesn't get to support one campaign, Afghanistan, and refuse to fight in another, Iraq. Like it or not, it's the same war, in both general and technical senses.
If you'd like to bring up an example from German history, it would be like a German officer agreeing to fight in Russia, but refusing to go fight in, say, Cyrenaica, because, well, he didn't think the fight in Africa was right, and what the heck, the British hadn't done anything to him, he was from Pomerania and the threat there was from the East.
Or, better yet, a US officer refusing to fight Germany in WWII, because, well, only the Japanese bombed the US, so he'll only fight in the Pacific.
Soldiers don't get to choose their fights in that regard. It's all or nothing. And setting the precedent that they can is lunacy, and the road to a Banana Republic.
If Watada was both principled *and* smart, he would have deployed, and then waited for orders to attack an Iraqi target - and *then* refuse. He could have possibly forced a trial about the legality of the Iraq campaign at that point.
But he's not very savvy, his lawyers less so - except for the purpose of establishing Kerry-esque credentials - in that he chose to not obey a deployment order - allowing the government to set the the terms of the trial over missing movement, and failure to obey a perfectly valid and legal order - which is where he screwed up from the perspective you seem to espouse.
The "hidden agenda" is simply watching what Lieutenant Watada and his camp are doing, and drawing all the inferences from that we need.
Patriotism? Perhaps. And if so, a version that is as dangerous as blind, unthinking support - moreso, since it sets the terms that the soldiery get to choose, not their civilian masters. At least in the blind, unthinking support version, they're doing what they're told, and that can, in the event, be modified by electoral outcomes - not the decisions of people in uniforms with guns.
Would you support Lieutenant Watada if he had refused an order to deploy to Kosovo? Another "optional war" fought without UN sanction?
Do you *really* want me deciding where I'll fight? Remember - a popular bumpersticker among military personnel in 2003 was "Iraq first, then France." Nothing to stop us from rolling into Germany a third time in 100 years, eh?
Yet - you don't really fear that, and you don't fear it based not on people like Lieutenant Watada, eh?
Reporting As Ordered, Sir! »
At least in the blind, unthinking support version, they're doing what their told, and that can, in the event, be modified by electoral outcomes - not the decisions of people in uniforms with guns.
Very well put.
posted by
hdw on August 30, 2006 9:28 AM
Thenkew - even with the now-corrected typo!
posted by
John of Argghhh! on August 30, 2006 9:53 AM
If this is the model of progressive, European/German socialism, I'll pass:
Germans Leave in Record Numbers, Fleeing Unemployment
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601109&sid=aaiYvU1EuM2A&refer=news
As more and more native Germans flee, Germany will of course have to rely more and more on Muslim immigrants to prop up their failing economy.
Mark Steyne is right about the changing demographics ...... if something is not done to correct this, Germany and the rest of Europe will be less European and more Islamic. Just as America will be increasingly Hispanic.
Without full assimilation into their new cultures, both of these immigrant groups will change their host cultures .... for the worse, I'm afraid.
posted by fdcol63 on August 30, 2006 10:07 AM
I doubt this guy is even from Germany. I have a gas guzzling SUV and it took me only 30 seconds to pull in to the pump at the local QT. I like to buy American mined and refined fuel. Just doing my part to fund the GWOT for OUR SIDE.
I NEVER waited six hours for gas, even when Katrina struck, and during those first weeks after, the longest I waited for fuel was ten minutes.
Lt. Watada is not a patriot. If his conscience is so offended at this war, then he can doff the uniform and sell his services to the highest bidder in order to feel better about it.
posted by Cricket on August 30, 2006 10:25 AM
I hadn't ever thought necessity of a soldier's accountability to a civilian government, but I've seen it plenty in other places. Does anyone remember what happens when this refusal to follow orders and be accountable is translated into other professions?
When teachers did this, we ended up with a whole generation of students who could barely do basic math (like myself) or spell (like most of my peers). When cops ignore laws in favor of their own opinions, we end up with things like the L.A.P.D. Rampart fiasco. When elected officials do this, we call them liars and self-serving (and sometimes criminals).
I just can't understand why people who pushed for teaching standards, police oversight and election reform wail and moan when that same accountability is applied to our soldiers.
posted by J-P on August 30, 2006 10:29 PM
'If Lieutenant Watada wishes to self-destruct, he has that right. But he doesn't get to support one campaign, Afghanistan, and refuse to fight in another, Iraq. Like it or not, it's the same war, in both general and technical senses.'
I strongly disagree John. I'd say Watada closely observed US military principles and even the UCMJ, which says not only that soldiers must obey all legal orders but also that:
'Members of the military have an obligation to disobey unlawful orders.'
America was attacked from Afghanistan. Therefore under UN Charter Article 51, America had the legal right to respond in kind, with no need to seek UN permission. So the Afghan war was legal and no-one even suggested that the US seek a resolution permitting it.
But America was not attacked from Iraq. The war was therefore illegal under article 2, since the US failed to get permission under chapter 7.
Watada obeyed the legal order and disobeyed the illegal one, following to the letter the conduct expected of an American officer.
'it would be like a German officer agreeing to fight in Russia, but refusing to go fight in, say, Cyrenaica, because, well, he didn't think the fight in Africa was right, and what the heck, the British hadn't done anything to him, he was from Pomerania and the threat there was from the East.'
I think it would be like a German officer who fought willingly in France 1940, since that was a straightforward military campaign, but refused to serve in Russia, because of the Commissar Order and other orders given which were illegal under the laws of the day.
Indeed, German officers who obeyed illegal orders were often hanged for it by the Allies. And it was the American prosecutors at Nuremburg who most strenuously insisted that blindly following orders should be no excuse - that even Germans in WW2 had a duty to disobey illegal orders.
By the way, cheers for linking to me the other day. I'm flattered!
posted by OD on August 31, 2006 2:02 PM
All of those arguments are, at best, germane after Pelosi and crowd impeach Bush and send him to The Hague for trial. But wait - they voted to support the war (almost all of them) so... *they* are war criminals, too.
Until then, under military law - the legislative branch authorizing the expenditure of funds makes it legal under the law.
And absent something stunning, that's how it's going to run in court, too, Owen.
If we follow your logic to it's fullest conclusion, as well, *all soldiers who served in Iraq* will have to be convicted as a class as felons. Because under this argument - if Watada is correct, then they are all war criminals and should be sanctioned as such - and the entire US military pretty much dismantled and put in prison.
Which you know is a ludicrous proposition.
And it simply isn't going to happen, and you know it.
posted by
John of Argghhh! on August 31, 2006 2:15 PM
Yup, but it seems a shame for Watada, if he's the one legally in the right, that he should get charged because there are too many people who went the other way.
I'm sure it will run that way in court. I doubt very much they'll even admit debate about legality of the war.
Nobody would propose charging American soldiers for going to Iraq. I'm merely saying it's wrong to charge this guy for refusing.
posted by OD on August 31, 2006 2:55 PM
They carefully charged him with things that would ensure that defense won't be allowed.
As I noted, if he'd been smart - he should have deployed, and then refused to engage in combat operations over there. Then he could have brought forth the order.
That said, Owen - d'you really think we should set ourselves up to where the troops get to decide where they go?
posted by
John of Argghhh! on August 31, 2006 3:11 PM
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Transitioning for the Long Haul... with little help from the MSM.
Oh, I know, they aren't supposed to help, though hindering...
Having heard from an old colleague, BG Dana Pittard (we were Captains and Majors together) yesterday in the NYT, why not again here - from the American Forces Press Service? Interestingly... *this* was probably the press conference that resulted in this article... at the NYT (reg req, go see bugmenot.com). Heh. Compare and contrast what bias (for or against) does for what you read. And ask yourself - who actually did a better job of reporting? There will be an essay test tomorrow. Or you could just hash it out in the comments today.
Tuesday, 29 August 2006
Transitioning for the long-haul
By Jim Garamone
American Forces Press Service
WASHINGTON — Coalition training teams with Iraqi military units, police battalions and border guard units are making a tremendous difference in the performance and professionalism of the Iraqi security forces, said the commander of the Iraq Assistance Group on Monday.
Army Brig. Gen. Dana Pittard told the Pentagon press corps in a video teleconference from Iraq that Iraqi forces are well-equipped, but require help in sustainment.
Pittard confirmed that 100 members of an Iraqi battalion had refused to redeploy to Baghdad . The soldiers were part of the 10th Iraqi Army Division, in southern Iraq ’s Maysan province.

Soldiers from 2nd Brigade, 5th Iraqi Army Division participate in a training course to improve close quarter’s marksmanship skills Aug. 16 at FOB Gabe near Baqubah. Department of Defense photo by Army Pfc. Paul J. Harris
“There were some soldiers … that said that they would not deploy as a part of the operation,” Pittard said. “A decision is going to be made whether or not that battalion will actually deploy.”
This is part of the growing pains of the Iraqi security forces, he said. The Iraqi Army now is a regionally recruited force.
“The majority of this particular unit was Shia, and … the leadership of that unit and their soldiers felt like they were needed down there in Maysan in that province,” he said.
The Iraqi government will work on how to deal with the situation, and the Coalition transition teams will support that, the general explained.
Hundreds of Coalition transition teams are operating throughout Iraq . The 11-man units are embedded with their Iraqi units from the battalion through division levels. Advisers also serve with the local Police, the National Police and the border guards. The Coalition Soldiers, Sailors, Airmen and Marines comprising these training units work with their Iraqi counterparts to plan and execute operations.
Their efforts extend beyond the kinetic.
From the readiness side, Coalition logistics personnel train up their Iraqi peers on processes and procedures, while maintenance experts work with the Iraqis to ensure their units’ vehicles remain combat-ready.
For now, logistics remains a sore point for the Iraqi forces.
“We are focusing on just basic sustainment: sustainment of fuel, sustainment of ammunition, their medical supplies and their maintenance,” Pittard said. “Those are the key areas that we're focusing on with the Iraqi security forces.”
The general said he sees a long-term job for coalition training teams with the Iraqi forces.
“Our major mission is to help develop and support the Iraqi security forces, and of course to advise them … U.S. forces will be here as long as the Iraqi government wants us here,” he said.
“But I'll tell you … after the majority of U.S. forces leave, we'll still see some level of advisory teams that'll still be here. In fact, I feel like we'll be the last men standing at the end of the U.S. presence here.”
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...a situation exacerbated by a generalized lack of a modern banking system.
think of how much our own deployability is enhanced by requiring Direct Deposit of military paychecks. with ATMs and check cashing services, we can send soldiers almost anywhere for long periods.
Iraqi units are hampered by their soldiers' need to physically get currency in hand and transport it back to their families.
as you said yesterday (in a different yet similar context): FIX THE FARKING PAY SYSTEM!
posted by
MajMike on August 30, 2006 8:15 AM
(fixes ballcap after weathering the scream from the Good Major. Damns the ringing in ears)
But, it's dry and boring writing, John. Where's the hook to get us emotionally involved in the story? Where's the spoon feeding the audience of what to take away from the story? Tsk. You just don't understand journalism.
None of this dry 'just the facts, maam' stuff. Why sheeple could draw their ownconclusions from their own analysis then John. That's not the way advocacy journalism works. That would lead to anarchy. Cats and dogs living together. Mass hysteria.
Can't have that now can we?
posted by ry on August 30, 2006 12:15 PM
Cats and dogs living together.
The very definition of the Castle.
posted by
John of Argghhh! on August 30, 2006 1:34 PM
Sounds like the Iraqi army is too combat heavy which sounds like it fits.
The money is a good point soldiers who redeploy don't need to worry about their family starving back home. It kinda saps morale. They may need to have army pay centres to help it out.
posted by
Trias on August 30, 2006 5:48 PM
On the pay system of the Iraqis:
The system we have stems from trust. Whether it be paper in our hands, numbers printed on a piece of paper in the mail, or 'lectrons on a screen we trust that the money really exists and is fungible. That's why we can do the things we do with payment and the like. Direct pay to your checking/savings works because we believe the money to be real.
But can the same be said for the Iraqis? Who wrote the piece over at MilBlogs about them not getting logistical problems and the way money works? You think the avg Iraqi is ready, based on the level of trust he has in financial institutions, for our system of payment for mil personell? Heart's in the right place, but wrong time to implement this is my two cents.
The very definition of the Castle. Yeah, but you've a set of rather Spartan minded pets. And it still sounds rather chaotic at the Castle. (okay, so it's a Corinthian helmet and not Spartan. So shoot, er, so bill me. Not sure what kinda day you had.)
posted by ry on August 30, 2006 6:15 PM
BG Pittard...wow. As recently as 2002 he was LTC Pittard, commanding 1-14 Cav (Stryker RSTA) in the lead Stryker brigade. Pretty sure he didn't take them to Iraq the first time, though.
And, looking at some interesting items in the pic:
-first time I've seen Iraqi Army troops in non-US PASGT pattern helmets. Although I can't say where they're from, they're not US.
-also first time I've seen Iraqi troops with synthetic stocked (and thus quite obviously new) AK rifles. I'd say they're Bulgarian, since AKAIK, Bulgaria is the only folks still making milled receiver AKs (note the lightening cuts above the mag well.)
posted by
Heartless Libertarian on August 30, 2006 11:21 PM
Michael Gordon, who wrote the NYT article, is the author of Cobra II with Gen Bernard Trainor, their history of the 2003 invasion.
Their history of the 1991 war was on the Gen Staff professional reading list, and it had a review on the back by Dick Cheney saying he recommended it to all his friends. Don't think Dick was so thrilled by the later volume though.
I thought the NYT article was the better of the two. Gordon is repeating stuff he put out in a big story a few days ago, but it's good information. I was struck to read in his other piece that there are no penalties for AWOL in the Iraqi Army.
Those helmets have an eastern European look to me. Definitely not the old Iraqi style.
posted by OD on August 31, 2006 3:39 PM
Read both his books. Liked 'em both. Of course, agreed with much of what they disliked about Cobra II, so probably didn't give it as critical a read as I should have, either.
posted by
John of Argghhh! on August 31, 2006 3:41 PM
Is it even possible now days to do a (public) critique of such a book?
Crimmeny. The issue is so over politicized that anything is taken by one side of partisans or the other as a club to beat the other over the head. It's devolved so much that one really can't dare to do so---in public---without giving someone seeming solid footing for their politically motivated diatribe.
THe current admin had some hand in that, no doubt, but that doesn't mean we all had to follow(but enough of us did that it surely and truly sucks). And I hope the loonies stay far enough away from the comments that this doesn't show up somewhere else. You ain't a loonie Owen. You're just annoying(j/k). ;)(slides mug on over)
posted by ry on September 2, 2006 9:55 AM
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One year ago today...
From USA Today, via the White House "Communications Update":
BILOXI, Miss. — A year ago, President Bush visited this area ravaged by Hurricane Katrina and saw piles of rubble strewn over beaches and neighborhoods. He met with people who lost everything.
On a return visit Monday, he said 98% of the debris is gone, the beaches are pristine, and the Biloxi-Gulfport area is slowly rebuilding. He praised the region's rebirth and the resolve of its residents to restore their lives.
“It's a sense of renewal here. It may be hard for those of you who have endured the last year to really have that sense of change, but for a fellow who was here and now a year later comes back, things are changing,” Bush said in the first part of a two-day swing to mark today's anniversary of Katrina.
“There's still challenges. There's still more to be done,” Bush said, noting that it will take “years, not months” for a full recovery.
Was it only a year ago? When Katrina came a'visiting, and exposed just how badly government agencies at all levels could screw things up, and how well others could perform under pressure? How badly the media could cover something? Well, until we saw how well they did for Lebanon...
Regardless, for some of us, it's still yesterday.
I just picked up a copy of The Great Deluge, Douglas Brinkley's well-reviewed and supposed-to-be-evenhanded book on Katrina and the aftermath. I hope so - it will be nice to see it laid out in an organized fashion, vice the chaos that it actually was. Might gain some perspective.
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john,
Thank you for linking to my site. I also want to thank you for the link to the book. I have just read the timeline that was provided at Amazon.com. From memory, it is accurate. From the recounting of friends who had to swim out their homes to my memory of when the winds started howling in earnest, the timeline is accurate for Mississippi.
This goes against the grain of what most everyone is saying but after reading the timeline, it's amazing that all were evacuated from New Orleans within 6 days of the hurricane. The whole region was decimated. Major routes into and out of the region were impacted.
Also, the Coast Guard is the lost story. They rescued so many people and their dedication is amazing.
This book will be the first thing that I've bought about Hurricane Katrina.
posted by
seawitch on August 30, 2006 7:23 AM
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Baby Pictures!
From Publicola, mind you - so you can guess what kind of baby... about 8.5 inches or so and 30 ounces. Werekitty! Sit! Stay!
hey y'all,
I picked this up last weekend. I had ordered it in April. Not crazy about the wait time but it seems to have been worth it.
Witness Elite Match. 4.75" barrel, 33 ounces empty, single action w/ over travel stop, extended mag release, adjustable sights (windage & elevation) & two tone finish w/ rubber grips. Mine is in 10mm. The magazine holds 15 rounds. & it's a steel frame.
It's got polygonal rifling which I'm no fan of but they didn't offer conventional rifling as an option. I may get a replacement barrel for it one day. I'm also thinking about switching out the rubber grips for some nicely figured wood, but I'll see how it shoots before I make up my mind. I'm not crazy about the two tone finish either. I mean it looks nice & all but I might make it a nice matte black all the way around in the next few weeks.
& no I haven't made it to the range yet. I'll try to do a range report on it when I get a chance. Just wanted to share a peek with y'all.
take care,
Publicola

Larger pics available here, here (note his reading material), and here.
Feel free to send in your baby pictures, too!
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8 1/2 inches and 30 ounces? You betcha I'm sitting and staying around for that show!
*spins in chandelier*
posted by Were-Kitten on August 29, 2006 10:31 AM
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Let's try something different...
Rather than me being all snarky and showing off I can stump you by controlling the variables (hardly fair) - I'm just going to slap this up there and let *you* guys show off what you know about what this is and how it works, vice "Can you figure out that this is an elephant when all I show you is a cellular slice from a polyp inside it's trunk?" like I usually do... Hey, I know I'm mean - but you keep coming back, so, we're like co-dependent, right? Don't forget to explain *why* a feature is there, not just that it's there. The whole purpose is to inform the curious.

Extra credit if you figure out the proper nomenclature and nation of origin. I'm going to leave the comments open - but be honest - put your answer/description down and *then* read everybody else's. Block copying from a manual is okay, if that's how you achieve positive buoyancy for your bateaux, but I'll bring the best original answer (in my humble opinion) up into the post and leave it for the archives... just in case there's any egos out there who need a stimulus.
Snerk.
Okay, you guys need some help. How about the flip side? This is what SezaGeoff saw this morning.

Bet it doesn't look like you expected on the inside... but the answer to why it *isn't* the M406 (like Doug thought) is clear to the true grognard. And Doug, aside from color - there are only two (related) things that cause the M406 to differ from this round.
Update: This is the M407 - the training version of the M406 HE round. The difference? Aside from the color of markings? The "ball" portion of the grenade. It's not serrated on the inside for fragmentation purposes, and it wasn't loaded with HE. The M407 was in turn replaced by the M781, which had a plastic projectile filled with a marking powder.
SezaGeoff, first out of the chute (and with the second pic to get him started) was the most thorough of you.
The fuze? It's an "all-ways" fuze - with a set-back and spin safety system that didn't allow the grenade to arm until it was a safe distance away from the firer - not that just shooting someone with the grenade wouldn't distract them... even if it *didn't* explode.
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Well, it appears to be a grenade launcher round, constructed on the hi-lo principle, where the propellant is in the small chamber at the bottom, and restrained by a brass sleeve. This lets the propellant get a start up at high pressure, and then it bursts the sleeve through the holes shown into the main chamber. The pressure drops enough to give the grenade a firm push without busting either the gun or the firer's shoulder.
M79 launcher and ammo
But I am not sure about the fuzing of the grenade - it looks almost like a timing mechanism, and they won't let me play with that sort of stuff!
posted by SezaGeoff on August 28, 2006 7:53 AM
Sigh. I blew it. I put the wrong pic up. That was *supposed* to be the *after* pic.
Geoff - I've saved your answer, and I'll put it back up later.
(OW!) [sound of foot kicking desk]
posted by
John of Argghhh! on August 28, 2006 7:56 AM
lol snarked by self. It doesn't get worse does it?
posted by
Trias on August 28, 2006 8:01 AM
Ok, I will go with the obvious. 40mm grenade. US origin. Not really any "belt" marks on it, so it isnt for a MK19 so it must be for a M203 or M79.
Silver tip with OD body doesnt tell me what type it is.. so I will go with HE.(High Explosive)
posted by
Tonyk aka Cpl.K on August 28, 2006 8:27 AM
Must.Show.Restraint... Must.Not.State.Obvious....
omgican'tstanditfallicfallicfallic!!!!!!!!!!!!!
posted by Were-Kitten on August 28, 2006 8:31 AM
LOL
And here I thought the conventional wisdom was that guys were sex-obsessed!
posted by fdcol63 on August 28, 2006 8:36 AM
Um, isn't that s'posed to be phallic?
The PG-17C doesn't mind that spelling and usage... and, boy, W-K, if that's what you expect in regard to that... they grow 'em short and squat where you live!~
posted by
John of Argghhh! on August 28, 2006 8:57 AM
I was spelling "fonetickally" John.. hoping that I would get past the PG17C. I figger'd you dig me on "phallic", since I get in-trouble-fied for saying "well, $hit". harumph.....
As far as short and squatty goes... as long as he knows how to use it, I'm good! Being hung like a bear doesn't do anyone any good if you don't know what to do with it.
Oh... fd... you mustn't have attended many Castle Cuddle Puddle parties if you think that only the guys around here are obsessed! hehe....
*winks, and slinks back up to chandelier perch to watch the boys ponder over John's Whatziss*
posted by Were-Kitten on August 28, 2006 9:33 AM
I'm not real sure about the color on the projo, but if it's gold and not silver, I'm inclined to M406 HE 40mm M79/203 round of U.S. manufacture. I think there's an M376/M386 or so as well. I don't see any green, which strikes me as not quite right.
You'd think I'd remember this, I fired enough of 'em in RVN (M203).
posted by
Doug K on August 28, 2006 9:45 AM
Heh - I'm waiting for people to give me details (like the lamented SezaGeoff's post) about how they work...
Or are all of you guys who use 'em the "I don't care if it's magic, s'long as it works!" type?
And Doug, you are actually *very* close on nomenclature... but not quite there.
posted by
John of Argghhh! on August 28, 2006 10:12 AM
"I'm waiting for people to give me details (like the lamented SezaGeoff's post) about how they work..."
How it works is more or less conventional ignition for a center-fire cartridge, but the explosive rounds are spin-armed, which is to say that they need to be fired and traverse a certain distance before they arm, something like 20 meters I think. Thus, they cannot be dropped, thrown or otherwise used for their intended purpose without some other fusing (if improvising a mine or something).
Single shot, the M79 is break-open, the M203 a forward sliding tube under the main weapon (say, M16 or CAR-15) with a separate trigger and sights.
My rig (and a heckuva' John Wayne picture) is here:
http://www.lcompanyranger.com/usweapons/xm203page.htm
I'm on my way out the door for S. America at the moment, so will leave details on nomenclature to those with a lil' more time. It looks long for N M433, so maybe M381/M441?
"The firing pin strikes the primer, whose flash ignites the propellant in the brass powder-charge cup inside the high-pressure chamber. The burning propellant produces 35,000 psi (2,461 kg/cm²) chamber pressure, which ruptures the brass powder-charge cup at the vent holes. This allows the gases to escape to the low-pressure chamber in the cartridge case, where the pressure drops to 3,000 psi (211 kg/cm²) and propels the grenade from the muzzle at a velocity of 250 fps (76 mps).
The rifling in the barrel causes the grenade to rotate. The grenade's 37,000-rpm right-hand spin stabilizes the grenade during flight and applies enough rotational force to arm the fuze."
posted by
Doug K on August 28, 2006 10:47 AM
Ah - Not fair. Some Scrup'l did quick work with a can of 7955 Silver Metalic Rust-Oleum.
posted by Boquisucio on August 28, 2006 10:47 AM
OK... it's looking more like the usual Whatziss you host around here, John! Much less like the previous picture, which was very phallic. This one, on the other hand... well, let's just say it has too many sharp edges.
posted by Were-Kitten on August 28, 2006 2:48 PM
Is it some kind of WP incendiary grenade?
posted by Samuel Tai on August 28, 2006 10:33 PM
Good thing I didn't guess M407A1:
http://www.autoweapons.com/products/destructivedevices.html
(scroll down to "HE Practice Grenades- $350).
Could you confirm it's a 40mm x 46SR vice a 40mm x 53SR?
Cheers
JMH
posted by J.M. Heinrichs on August 29, 2006 9:57 PM
I was wondering if someone was going to find that page... and no I can't. I don't own this particular one.
posted by
John of Argghhh! on August 30, 2006 5:39 AM
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You airplane geeks are no fun...

Yep, it's an R/C aircraft. Heh. With you guys, I'm going to have to resort to posting pictures of the hydraulics in a small corner of a landing gear bay to give you any challenge at all...
Oh, and JTG, take a look - there *is* a hint of the geodetic structure in there. But mostly not, as you observed.
Perhaps not *quite* as obvious as this one...
And for those who'd like to see a Fleet Air Arm paint scheme...
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You airplane geeks are no fun...
Now would that be meanin' fun for you, or fun for us? [chuckle.wav]
posted by wolfwalker on August 28, 2006 9:12 AM
Well, d-uh, me!
S'okay, I'm working on one for you guys!
posted by
John of Argghhh! on August 28, 2006 9:33 AM
Aha! I see I mixed up CC paint schemes with US Navy schemes.
I'm not sure the geodetic framework is all that clear in medium to far shot; most of the photos I've seen (where it's apparent) are fairly close-in, and/or show the clear panels on the fuselage over the wings.
At least I'm assuming they're clear panels; I've seen them in quite a few shots, and I can't imagine the RAF leaving great big holes in the side of the bomber... :)
It is a very nice model. Reminds me of that turbine-engined RC B-52 which crashed a while back. You see that thing airborne in a film clip and it's quite convincing.
posted by
Casey Tompkins on August 28, 2006 1:31 PM
I like this better....but, sadly, it does remind me of this.
posted by
CDR Salamander on August 28, 2006 4:22 PM
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Just another feckless exercise in window-dressing.
Yesterday, I noted this:
Heh. The UN Peacekeeping Force for Lebanon starts to take shape. The headline on Yahoo for this article is what caught my attention: "Europe Provides the Backbone for UN Peacekeeping Force". Heh. The "backbone" is a robust mission, robust ROE to support the mission, and the will to carry it out. Otherwise, it's just another feckless exercise in window-dressing.
Today, the UK Telegraph reports this:
UN will not stop Syria sending weapons to Lebanon
By Harry De Quetteville and Michael Hirst
(Filed: 27/08/2006)
The United Nations peacekeeping force to be deployed in Lebanon is facing further criticism after the admission that its forces will not even be allowed to intercept shipments of arms to Hezbollah from Syria.
Speaking in Brussels before heading to the region, Kofi Annan, pictured below, the UN Secretary-General, confirmed that the 15,000-strong force will not meet Israeli demands to police the routes used by the militia to smuggle missiles from Syria.
"Troops are not going in there to disarm - let's be clear," he said. Instead, the Unifil force will only carry out interception missions if asked by the Lebanese government - which has made no such request. Syria, meanwhile, accused by Israel of re-arming Hezbollah during the recent conflict, has said the deployment of any UN forces near its border would be considered a "hostile act".
Oh, I understand the logic. Lebanon has a putatively sovereign government with it's own army capable of this. The Forms Must Be Followed, even if they are pretty patently bogus.
As I said yesterday:
The "backbone" is a robust mission, robust ROE to support the mission, and the will to carry it out. Otherwise, it's just another feckless exercise in window-dressing.
Window dressing. Regardless of how many and of what quality troops are provided. Window dressing. Anyone remember the disaster that was the initial UN Peacekeeping mission in Bosnia?
Deja vu all over again.
Feckless window dressing.
Winston Churchill famously said that "jaw-jaw is preferable to war-war."
Fair enough. But if all jaw-jaw does is lead to more war, or wider war, or worse war... then all jaw-jaw does, in any particular case, is facilitate war-war.
Read the whole thing here.
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Israel and the US have made a serious error in accepting this UN farce. Next time Hezbollah starts lobbing missiles, Israel won't be able to retaliate at all for fear of accidentally hitting the UN forces who were SUPPOSED to dis-arm Hezbollah.
The UN: They're not ineffective. They're on the other side.
posted by fdcol63 on August 27, 2006 4:08 PM
18 months (or less). Mom says I need to have a more optomistic outlook on life.
posted by ry on August 28, 2006 12:18 AM
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Lazy Sunday fun...
What's the most interesting thing about this picture to you?

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Hmmmm....nose blister doesn't look right for a Wellington. Also, it appears to have a British roundel but maybe French colors on the vert. stab. (Hard to tell on that odd color and with my color vision.
Only real flyable Wellington? Is it 1:1 or RC?
posted by
Doug K on August 27, 2006 10:13 AM
What's interesting, particularly if it's flying over England, is that there's not a cloud in the sky. Normally, there would be clouds, rain, fog, snow, mist or various combinations of such.
posted by
Tbird on August 27, 2006 10:42 AM
Pink panther in the rear turret, is this a model?
posted by Rod Thorsen on August 27, 2006 10:50 AM
The tricolor flag on the vertical stabilizer appears to be a standard RAF marking, judging from the pictures in a couple of my reference books. I think you can tell some subtle and interesting things from the exact design of the rondel, but I'm not sure of that.
My first thought: If that's a vintage photograph, it's pretty high quality for 194x. If it's a recent photo of a vintage warbird, then I'm surprised to find there's still a Wellington flying.
Really startling is that it has the same letters (Q-VR) as the one illustrated in Fighters and Bombers of World War II, so it's either the same airplane or it's been painted to match. Incidentally, said airplane is identified in the book text as belonging to an RCAF squadron.
Why no high-quality version of the image? Did you not get one, or would it be a giveaway? ;-)
Overall it looks just a little too clean and smooth for a warbird, so I'm going to guess it's an RC model.
posted by wolfwalker on August 27, 2006 12:32 PM
If it's John Greenfield's "Ghost Squadron" very large RC aircraft, the markings have been changed. I don't think there's a real one flying...wicked complex fuselage construction method. There is a nicely restored one, but not flyable, I don't believe.
posted by
Doug K on August 27, 2006 1:26 PM
Not much. I am wondering how the pilot gets out and what the window is for. The wing has the flat bit at the front rather than the back. Then there the guy right at the back.
posted by
Trias on August 27, 2006 1:36 PM
The window is to... look out. The guys in front and back are to shoot at bad guys attacking from the front or back, and the pilots, well, I'm not sure about the Wimpy, but they might have had a door they could get to, or, like a lot of the rest of the crew, they would get out through the bomb bay (this is assuming you're talking about needing to escape a shot-up aircraft).
posted by
John of Argghhh! on August 27, 2006 2:39 PM
Hmmm. An aircraft with a night-bomber paint job flying during the day? :) Or is that a Costal Command paint job?
I never read up on the CC paint jobs, although I know the Empire had an extensive anti-submarine aviation patrol running during the war.
posted by
Casey Tompkins on August 27, 2006 3:18 PM
It's got a flippin' "target" sign on it. Who in their right mind would fly a plane with a 'HIT ME HERE' sign on the a$$ end.
feh
posted by AFSister on August 27, 2006 9:51 PM
I don't see a second engine on the other wing.
How's this thing flying? LOL
(okay, I realize that is probably a trick of the photo, but it is interesting)
posted by
kat-missouri on August 27, 2006 10:03 PM
The only pics I've seen of CC aircraft were Short Sunderlands, but they had white underbodies. I'd assume any other aircraft would use a similar paint scheme.
posted by
Heartless Libertarian on August 27, 2006 11:34 PM
It's a model. There's no sign of the geodetic structure under the fabric which the full-size one had. The thing is entirely too smooth.
posted by
Justthisguy on August 28, 2006 1:51 AM
It's got a flippin' "target" sign on it. Who in their right mind would fly a plane with a 'HIT ME HERE' sign on the a$$ end.
Hee! That's *most* of Europe.
And the US during WWI.
You airplane geeks are no fun. Yep, it's a large-scale R/C.
posted by
John of Argghhh! on August 28, 2006 6:23 AM
there's some kind of dangly thingie looking like a frayed wire appearing just fwd of the right side wing.
posted by
MajMike on August 28, 2006 8:25 AM
Hey- I didn't say it was historically incorrect... just that it's WRONG, WRONG, WRONG to have a "hit me here" target painted on. Wacko Euro's....
:-)
posted by AFSister on August 28, 2006 8:34 AM
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