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  <title>Comments for Winning the battles, losing the infowar...</title>
  <subtitle>We&apos;re the Military and Airpower Guys of Jonah Goldberg of National Review Online + a stray we found wandering around looking lost.  All original material JHD, BHD, JR, WT,  and KA 2003-2007</subtitle>
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    <published>2006-06-15T10:40:29Z</published>
    <updated>2006-11-11T16:53:32Z</updated>
    <title>Winning the battles, losing the infowar...</title>
    <summary>[Armorer&apos;s note: Denizen Ry originally had this in the H&amp;I post, but since he was getting all wordy and intellectual and stuff, ruining the general low standards set for that item, I moved him out here all on his own.] The view out there of Afghanistan, GWOT, and Iraq is changing. And, importantly, not just in our own media. Global opinion can matter you know. John Robb would recognize the flavor of this story about a resurgent Taliban presence in Waziristan. Looks like systems disruption. That isn&apos;t good. This story claims that the mission was flawed from the beginning because...</summary>
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      <![CDATA[<p>[Armorer's note: Denizen Ry originally had this in the H&I post, but since he was getting all wordy and intellectual and stuff, ruining the general low standards set for that item, I moved him out here all on his own.]</p>

<p>The view out there of Afghanistan, GWOT, and Iraq is changing.  And, importantly, not just in our own media.  Global opinion <i>can</i> matter you know.</p>

<p><a href="http://globalguerrillas.typepad.com/johnrobb/">John</a> <a href="http://globalguerrillas.typepad.com/"><b>Robb</b></a> would recognize the flavor of this story about a <a href="http://www.ocnus.net/artman/publish/article_24724.shtml"><b>resurgent Taliban presence in Waziristan</b></a>.    Looks like systems disruption.  That isn't good.  </p>

<p><a href="http://www.watchingamerica.com/paktribune000010.shtml"><b>This</b> </a>story claims that the mission was flawed from the beginning because the US was too soft in how it prosecuted the war in Afghanistan.  I can see it, sorta.  When you have the chance to put someone out of the game you give them a chance to re-arm and be nasty.  But, it also ignores that the US couldn't attack mosques without a major political risk.  Global opinion <i>can</i> matter.  </p>

<p>Here's one that's pushing the line that <a href="http://weekly.ahram.org.eg/2006/798/re1.htm"><b>Haditha isn't all that isolated.</b></a>  </p>

<p>What they believe over there shapes what happens.  If they believe it's going to hell in a handbasket we're screwballed.   If the populace there doesn't believe in it then it probably isn't going to happen.   </p>

<p>But, at the same time, a few offensives and a few news stories aren't the whole battle, the whole war, or the whole picture.  Let's see what it's like in two weeks once the Canadians are truly set up and up to speed in Afghanistan.  I feel bad for the Jihadis already.   Let's see what happens on the 'massacre' front in a few months.  This, like the bombing of a wedding by US forces, could turn out to be baloney and just fade away as an infowar ploy.  </p>]]>
      
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    <title>Comment from ry on 2006-06-16</title>
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        &quot;Humble Man of the Year Award goes to..... RY! Of the Castle ARGGHHH!&quot;
Oh, come on.  Be fair.  If John or Bill actually told us everything they did in a year that they&apos;ve hidden from us because they don&apos;t like tooting their own horns I&apos;d be seen as the piker I really am.  
Or Dusty, or Boq, or JTG, or JMH.....
We&apos;re surrounded by trully humble and remarkable men here at Argghhh!.  I just try to follow the trails they&apos;ve blazed.  

&quot;At least he spelled &quot;Waziristan&quot; properly.&quot;  I wouldn&apos;t be so sure.  John did touch this up a little bit.  He may have corrected the spelling of Waziristan for me.  I&apos;m not sure. Boss?  

&quot;Or Gollum&apos;s pretension to lofty discourse?&quot;  Pretension.  Definitely pretension.   

More seriously.  Does ObL matter all that much?  Stopping the anarchy seems far more important.  That&apos;ll win over more people to the Kabhul gov&apos;t than killing ObL will, at least that&apos;s how I see it.  ObL would be huge for GWOT here, but I&apos;m not sure that killing or capturing him would change much on the ground over there.  The impression I&apos;ve gotten is that, vice Patton, he can&apos;t do jobs (like operational planning) below the grand strategy level.  Taking out FDR after the US commited to Op Overlord wouldn&apos;t have changed things much.  Before hand would have.  ObL seems to be in the post commitment category.  As was Z-man.  Victories for sure, but not earth shattering.      
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    <title>Comment from cw4(ret)billt on 2006-06-15</title>
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        At least he spelled &quot;Waziristan&quot; properly. Of course, he could have been more specific, &apos;cuz the bookies are giving pretty good odds that Ossie bin Hidin&apos; is tucked away in *South* Waziristan, despite all the action in *North* Waziristan...
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    <published>2006-06-16T04:29:55Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from John of Argghhh! on 2006-06-15</title>
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        Well, that depends.

Is the question regarding my use of vernacular...

Or Gollum&apos;s pretension to lofty discourse?
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    <title>Comment from Cassandra on 2006-06-15</title>
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        Just exactly what is with the &quot;all intellectual&quot; stuff?
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    <title>Comment from AFSister on 2006-06-15</title>
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        The Humble Man of the Year Award goes to..... RY!  Of the Castle ARGGHHH!


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    <title>Comment from ry on 2006-06-15</title>
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        Oh, this is where it went.  Errors in spelling and punctuation and all.  You went to the trouble of italicizing the word can after all.  
And stop trying to make me look sorta-kinda like I have a worthwhile opinion.  You don&apos;t want to give gollum a fat head.  Trust me.  My scrawny neck couldn&apos;t handle it.  
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