We're the Military and Airpower Guys of Jonah Goldberg of National Review Online + a stray we found wandering around looking lost. All original material JHD, BHD, JR, WT, and KA 2003-2010 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2006/06/heh_my_a_boyo.html Sat, 24 Mar 2012 15:51:57 Z Movable Type 4.12 en Copyright 2012 http://www.rssboard.org/rss-specification Mother Sheehan goes to Canada to give aid and comfort to deserters. Otay. Nothing remarkable about that. Then I stumbled across this hero: About 20 former U.S. soldiers, referred to as war resisters, have applied for refugee status in Canada. Organizers estimated there may be as many as 200 soldiers in the country who have not yet sought formal protection. "They say we're traitors, we're deserters," said former Marine Chris Magaoay, 20, of the Hawaiian island of Maui. "No, I'm a Marine and I stand up for what I believe in, and I believe the Constitution of the United States... http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2006/06/heh_my_a_boyo.html http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2006/06/heh_my_a_boyo.html Mon, 19 Jun 2006 15:42:18 -0600 I know you like Bobby, Princess Crabby - but in this discussion, only Joe and Jack figure - no bad cess to Bobby in that regard. But we *can* agree about Teddy. http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2006/06/heh_my_a_boyo.html#comment-46728 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2006/06/heh_my_a_boyo.html#comment-46728 Tue, 20 Jun 2006 22:43:49 -0600 And Bobby....only Ted was an A$$. http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2006/06/heh_my_a_boyo.html#comment-46724 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2006/06/heh_my_a_boyo.html#comment-46724 Tue, 20 Jun 2006 21:58:29 -0600 I'll take Joe *and* Jack. If you're going to be a dilletantte about it - at least do it with the level of committment Jack had. http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2006/06/heh_my_a_boyo.html#comment-46698 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2006/06/heh_my_a_boyo.html#comment-46698 Tue, 20 Jun 2006 14:34:10 -0600 "We'll take Kennedy-style." Which Kennedy? One was in it so as to look like a hero when he came back. One actually IS a hero and died doing his job because he believed in it. Which one are we going to take? "Vegetables are sensuous. People are sensual" Or, and because there's no dialogue, ice bouncing out of a tumbler. http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2006/06/heh_my_a_boyo.html#comment-46697 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2006/06/heh_my_a_boyo.html#comment-46697 Tue, 20 Jun 2006 14:27:02 -0600 I dunno, Trias - if we buy it we're evil capitalists. If we invade we're just doing it for the oil because we're evil capitalists. But, when the left has power, we *do* like to bomb things, so how about the next time we put a Dem in the White House we just bomb the out back? http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2006/06/heh_my_a_boyo.html#comment-46691 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2006/06/heh_my_a_boyo.html#comment-46691 Tue, 20 Jun 2006 11:32:21 -0600 You know you don't hear about deserters hanging out in Mexico do you. I wonder why o-) Yes the oil.. always suspicion and politics surround it like flies in the dunny. Much cheaper John. You could buy it for well well under a billion. I've got change for a $50 Who knew the frogs* were so good at warfare? Fortunately they haven't made it to my place yet. Actually i'm more worried about those ants from the US that are now here called fireants or something. Heard nasty things about them. Cane Toads just sit there.. toadying i suppose. * ok ok i know it's a *toad* not a frog but you know humour is supposed to be *flexible* dammit nitpickers. http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2006/06/heh_my_a_boyo.html#comment-46690 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2006/06/heh_my_a_boyo.html#comment-46690 Tue, 20 Jun 2006 11:16:18 -0600 “I left my unit and came to Canada because of my beliefs,” he wrote in an e-mail to The Maui News. “Now my family has all but disowned me.” He's been legally declared a deserter. ]]> http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2006/06/heh_my_a_boyo.html#comment-46675 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2006/06/heh_my_a_boyo.html#comment-46675 Tue, 20 Jun 2006 08:15:40 -0600 As I understand it, these are not 'deserters' in the sense that they went AWOL because of their opposition to war, these are former soldiers, perhaps with time left on their eight year MSO, who do not want to be recalled. My guess is that if LCpl Magaoay is 20 and a 'former Marine' he was a washout of some sort, unless he joined at 17 and fulfilled his 3. http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2006/06/heh_my_a_boyo.html#comment-46674 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2006/06/heh_my_a_boyo.html#comment-46674 Tue, 20 Jun 2006 08:00:10 -0600 cane toads for a living, the Ozzies will probably *give* us the desert. Wouldn't Ayers' Rock make a great highlight for SWWBO's garden? *exits stage left, playing the bass run to "Louie, Louie" on the air guitar*]]> http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2006/06/heh_my_a_boyo.html#comment-46668 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2006/06/heh_my_a_boyo.html#comment-46668 Tue, 20 Jun 2006 06:59:13 -0600 Leaving aside the humor of the comment, Trias - we *really* don't want their desert. We didn't really want their oil, in a controlling sense (the whole plan as envisaged for Cobra II was to use their oil to fund their recovery from the war *and* Saddam). We just wan't 'em to live in their respective deserts and not f*ck with us. It's a lot less about the oil than it is stability in the region. We've already shown we'll tolerate benign despots and not-so-benign despots if they'll keep a lid on things. And if we *do* want deserts, it would be cheaper to take yours, now wouldn't it? 8^ ) http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2006/06/heh_my_a_boyo.html#comment-46667 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2006/06/heh_my_a_boyo.html#comment-46667 Tue, 20 Jun 2006 06:13:32 -0600 US smotto "All your desert are belong to us" Canada's Motto; "All your deserter are belong to us" Maybe the marines need a delisting procedure. When you get right down to it he's pushed the scrap of paper to the side too by leaving it's influence. http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2006/06/heh_my_a_boyo.html#comment-46664 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2006/06/heh_my_a_boyo.html#comment-46664 Tue, 20 Jun 2006 05:50:11 -0600 Maggie - you were supposed to have a comment apropos the post, too - not just be an Index of Lines for the movie! Ry - dilettantes, ala John F. Kerry, need not apply, either. We'll take Kennedy-style. http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2006/06/heh_my_a_boyo.html#comment-46663 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2006/06/heh_my_a_boyo.html#comment-46663 Tue, 20 Jun 2006 05:49:29 -0600 "I'm a zit. Get it?" Oh come on, what are those who want to join just so they can have it on their resume for when they try for political office supposed to do then, huh? Join the Peace Corps? Sheesh.(smart acre off, or is it?) http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2006/06/heh_my_a_boyo.html#comment-46662 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2006/06/heh_my_a_boyo.html#comment-46662 Tue, 20 Jun 2006 02:13:36 -0600 Ok,, just one more! "Fat, drunk, and stupid is no way to go through life, son!" Dean Wormer. http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2006/06/heh_my_a_boyo.html#comment-46656 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2006/06/heh_my_a_boyo.html#comment-46656 Mon, 19 Jun 2006 22:53:19 -0600 Am I going to get in trouble for this one? Babs in the car with Greg....."Greg, honey, is it supposed to be this soft?" Took me a while to understand that one....it's never happened to me. http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2006/06/heh_my_a_boyo.html#comment-46654 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2006/06/heh_my_a_boyo.html#comment-46654 Mon, 19 Jun 2006 22:43:19 -0600 "We want to dance wif yo dates." I saw this movie in the theater 22 times, have the movie soundtrack on vinyl and John, I know you are going to be shocked, but.........I organized and attended many toga parties. Can you guess how togas are like kilts? http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2006/06/heh_my_a_boyo.html#comment-46653 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2006/06/heh_my_a_boyo.html#comment-46653 Mon, 19 Jun 2006 22:38:00 -0600 Thank you Brogonzo, for inspiring this comment thread! "Ramming Speed!" http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2006/06/heh_my_a_boyo.html#comment-46649 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2006/06/heh_my_a_boyo.html#comment-46649 Mon, 19 Jun 2006 21:45:51 -0600 Yup, that's basically what it all comes down to John. It's not the Boy Scouts or the Peace Corps. Although sometimes I do think the dividing lines get a little blurry. "The bar!! They took the whole f@*#ing bar!!" http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2006/06/heh_my_a_boyo.html#comment-46647 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2006/06/heh_my_a_boyo.html#comment-46647 Mon, 19 Jun 2006 21:42:43 -0600 Old Loader - Kill people, break things, control what's left, at the direction of the government. If you can't get past that, don't sign up. "...Dougie, and the rest of the Hitler Youth." http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2006/06/heh_my_a_boyo.html#comment-46644 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2006/06/heh_my_a_boyo.html#comment-46644 Mon, 19 Jun 2006 21:26:13 -0600 If I say, "Food fight!" does that count? I read as much of the link as I could stomach and I have this to say: It sounds better in the press to say, "I don't want to kill," then to say, "I don't want to die." To connect: I think a few (and thankfuly very few) don't seem to realize that military service is all about training to win a violent and deadly struggle. I say this because most of these deserters wait until they have orders to deploy to decide that the war is "illegal, immoral, etc." Did they think that time spent at the small arms range was to prepare them for the Olympics? http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2006/06/heh_my_a_boyo.html#comment-46641 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2006/06/heh_my_a_boyo.html#comment-46641 Mon, 19 Jun 2006 20:35:21 -0600 Hee! You can't play unless you provide at least one Animal House quote. "You f*cked up. You trusted us!" http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2006/06/heh_my_a_boyo.html#comment-46635 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2006/06/heh_my_a_boyo.html#comment-46635 Mon, 19 Jun 2006 16:58:26 -0600 1 ea. tall tree + 1 ea. short rope = frontier justice. "But Nooooooo, Bluto, we're afraid" http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2006/06/heh_my_a_boyo.html#comment-46634 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2006/06/heh_my_a_boyo.html#comment-46634 Mon, 19 Jun 2006 16:54:39 -0600 Jim - we're already short of small arms ammunition. If lethal injection isn't good enough for you, go start braiding hemp. That said - you better challenge me off the panel. http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2006/06/heh_my_a_boyo.html#comment-46633 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2006/06/heh_my_a_boyo.html#comment-46633 Mon, 19 Jun 2006 16:41:36 -0600 "Did we give up when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?" http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2006/06/heh_my_a_boyo.html#comment-46632 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2006/06/heh_my_a_boyo.html#comment-46632 Mon, 19 Jun 2006 16:38:14 -0600 Seems to me our neighbours to the North, who have soldiers in harm's way, should extradite these vermin to the U.S. Tell me again why we no longer send these its ( they aren't men so its is what I used) to firing squads for this offense. Seems to me running because of your will have to deploy is desertion in the face of the enemy. http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2006/06/heh_my_a_boyo.html#comment-46631 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2006/06/heh_my_a_boyo.html#comment-46631 Mon, 19 Jun 2006 16:31:52 -0600 Props for the oddly-appropos "Animal House" reference. Every time they come out with a new retread of the college "frat" comedy (exhibit A, "Van Wilder"; exhibit B, "Road Trip"; etc. etc.) I just tell people to go watch "Animal House" again. Classic... "... Well, you can do what you like to us. But we're not going to sit here while you bad-mouth the United States of America! Gentlemen!" http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2006/06/heh_my_a_boyo.html#comment-46630 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2006/06/heh_my_a_boyo.html#comment-46630 Mon, 19 Jun 2006 16:29:53 -0600