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  <title>Comments for Whatziss, answered!</title>
  <subtitle>We&apos;re the Military and Airpower Guys of Jonah Goldberg of National Review Online + a stray we found wandering around looking lost.  All original material JHD, BHD, JR, WT,  and KA 2003-2007</subtitle>
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    <published>2006-05-24T13:31:24Z</published>
    <updated>2006-11-11T16:53:31Z</updated>
    <title>Whatziss, answered!</title>
    <summary>Old Fat Sailor - I name you Brainiac of Argghhh! You got it right. If our Ozzie OFS hadn&apos;t gotten it, I would have offered up this as a clue today, followed quickly with this. If that was insufficient (I&apos;m thinking it would have been enough) - I&apos;d have offered up this. But I don&apos;t have to do that. Because OFS identified it - it&apos;s a stand of quilted grape. In this case, a replica of Revolutionary War-era stand of quilted grape, in the six-pounder version. An early form of &quot;Improved Conventional Munitions,&quot; grape was used against attacking infantry at...</summary>
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      <name>The Armorer</name>
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      <![CDATA[<p>Old Fat Sailor - I name you Brainiac of Argghhh!  You got it right.</p>

<p>If our Ozzie OFS hadn't gotten it, I would have <b><a href="http://www.fototime.com/75EE1ED79078E9C/orig.jpg"target=_blank>offered up this</a></b> as a clue today, <b><a href="http://www.fototime.com/1A917E3EFB14245/orig.jpg"target=_blank>followed quickly with this</a></b>.</p>

<p>If that was insufficient (I'm thinking it would have been enough) - I'd <b><a href="http://www.fototime.com/F18C88C46154FE5/standard.jpg"target=_blank>have offered up this</a></b>.</p>

<p>But I don't have to do that.  Because OFS identified it - it's a stand of quilted grape.</p>

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<p>In this case, a replica of Revolutionary War-era stand of quilted grape, in the six-pounder version.   An early form of "Improved Conventional Munitions," grape was used against attacking infantry at greater ranges.  Comprised of a wooden base, or sabot, with a wood rod protruding from it, they were stacked round with iron balls, held in place by the cloth and twine wrapping, which was then doped.  The wrapping and sabot kept it all together for easy loading, and the paint helped waterproof it, prevent rot of the cloth, and provided some more rigidity.  </p>

<p>The ones you find in museums have usually been painted black or red.  This one is au naturel, to show the basic construction better.  Made this way to speed loading (that infantry is looking pretty determined), the twine and cloth gave way upon firing, turning the gun into a giant shotgun.  Grape, with it's larger balls, had a greater range at the expense of fewer projectiles.  Canister is grape's short-range cousin, being smaller balls, usually lead musket balls, loosely <b><a href="http://www.fototime.com/359E83CFBDF3341/orig.jpg"target=_blank>loaded into a container</a></b> (canister) and fired when the infantry had gotten annoyingly close and looked like they were still interested in killing artillerymen.  Of course, once you started shooting this at infantry, the infantry became notoriously uninterested in taking prisoners, either...  infantry sucks that way.</p>

<p>Why is is called a Stand of Grape?  In fortress use especially, but also in the field, you stood them up on the wooden sabot, so they wouldn't roll around.  Larger guns oft times fired grape made of larger iron balls held together by iron plates and rings, <b><a href="http://www.fototime.com/295BE07BC49E60B/standard.jpg"target=_blank>like this stand of 12-pounder grapeshot.</a></b></p>]]>
      
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    <title>Comment from John of Argghhh! on 2006-05-24</title>
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        Regardless - we Auld Fat Farts gotta stick together!

Bravo Zulu!
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    <published>2006-05-25T01:10:26Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Old Fat Sailor on 2006-05-24</title>
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        Not from Oz just the address, BTW some times my Air Assult medic daughter accuses me of crewing a 24 pounder with JPJ :-)
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    <published>2006-05-24T23:33:50Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Justthisguy on 2006-05-24</title>
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        Is that a hint, or a hope?

OK, whatever. I&apos;ll stop now.
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    <published>2006-05-24T22:44:17Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from John of Argghhh! on 2006-05-24</title>
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And the newly sedated JTG falls into dreamless slumber on the couch outside the Jungle Room, snoring gently, mind filled with pleasant dreams.
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    <published>2006-05-24T22:34:11Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Justthisguy on 2006-05-24</title>
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        Dang! That reminds me! What with all of the chaos in this house since the ex-brother was here, I seem to have lost my nipple wrench.  You know, the one you use to tighten up loose spoke nipples on bicycle wheels?

Oh, did I mention the fun I had when shooting a friend&apos;s cap&apos;n ball weapons? Aside from that wonderful black powder aroma, we got to play with nipples! We had nipple picks, and (again) nipple wrenches, and discussed the comparative advantages of plain steel nipples vs. stainless steel nipples.

Face the music, guys and gals; we&apos;re mammals, and all nipple-shaped things remind us of, well, NIPPLES!

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    <published>2006-05-24T22:15:42Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Justthisguy on 2006-05-24</title>
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        What&apos;s wrong with writing &quot;nipple&quot;? We&apos;re all mammals here, right?  I dare say most of us are humans, most of whom have only two nipples, unlike the other mammals, (except for elephants) who tend to have multiple nipples to go with their multiple teats. 

Now, a lot of people don&apos;t know how to pronounce the word &quot;teat.&quot;  They say it as if it were spelled &quot;teet.&quot;  That&apos;s wrong. &quot;Teat&quot; rhymes with &quot;tit&quot;, which as everyone knows, is actually a small bird.



Why, one of my favorite airplanes was named after a tit; that would be the Hawker Tomtit. 

Is this one of those &quot;homo-nym&quot; situations?



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    <published>2006-05-24T21:43:18Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from John of Argghhh! on 2006-05-24</title>
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        W-K, JMH - that would be the fire-tempered end of the wooden dowel that forms the spine of the stand.

Sigh.

You aren&apos;t fooling me.  You just wanted to drag the conversation down into the gutter and type &quot;nipple&quot;.  And make sure that &quot;nipple&quot; appeared a lot of times in the comments so that when someone typed &quot;nipple&quot; into Google the leading site for &quot;nipple&quot; would be Castle Nipple.

That about cover it for you two?

You both need to get out more.
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    <published>2006-05-24T20:36:37Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Blake Kirk on 2006-05-24</title>
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        Your discussion reminds me of what was reputedly the last command of Lt Alonzo Cushing, commanding what was left of Battery A, 4th US Artillery in the third day  at Gettysburg, as Pickett&apos;s Charge came toward the stone wall on Cemetary Ridge:  &quot;Load triple canister and keep up the fire!&quot;

Or, as a more modern artilleryman once told me:  &quot;The situation isn&apos;t REALLY desperate unless you&apos;re shooting at zero elevation.&quot;
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    <published>2006-05-24T20:15:16Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Were-Kitten on 2006-05-24</title>
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        I was gonna snark the nipple... but JMH trumped me.
LMAO!  

(So John... what is the &quot;mummy nipple&quot; for?)
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    <title>Comment from J.M. Heinrichs on 2006-05-24</title>
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        But you haven&apos;t explained the Mummy&apos;s nipple.

Cheers
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    <published>2006-05-24T18:45:48Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Barb on 2006-05-24</title>
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        Wow - now that I know what the rest of it looks like, I&apos;m especially impressed the OFS got it.  Thanks, as always, for the kewl education, John!
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