June 2, 2006
The Bronze Star.
If anyone cares about the subject - CAPT B has a good post on the Bronze Star over at Milblogs.
I just had to pile on, as the relationship of the Bronze Star to the Officer Corps vice enlisted soldiers has long been a burr under my saddle.
So, I'll say what CAPT B didn't in his post on the Bronze Star.
It's a medal the Ossifer Class has devalued the meaning of amongst themselves ourselves - though the public and the press are still impressed with the medal. Of course, if they knew what the percentage of award was, they might not be as impressed - and that's too bad.
In my decades of experience - if you see *anyone* with the "V" for Valor device on the Bronze Star, there's a story there.
If you see an enlisted soldier with the Bronze Star, give her that little extra nod of respect, because you know she was a stand-out performer.
If you see an officer with a Bronze Star - no V device - often as not, you are looking at the equivalent of a combat zone Meritorious Service Medal (the Bronze Star rates just above the MSM) for doing their job well. I know *how* that happened over time, but the bottom line is, as I said: I see a "V" device, I'm impressed. I see the Bronze Star on an enlisted soldier, I'm impressed. I see one on an officer, no "V", and I know he did his duty creditably in a combat zone. But unless the rules have changed (and I haven't deployed for this war) he could have served as an assistant G3 slide-maker in Division Headquarters, or he could have been the Lieutenant leading the lead platoon into Baghdad for a Thunder Run, or the Captain commanding the MLRS battery. All are important jobs, all are part of the team, but they don't carry the same level of risk, nor opportunity for finding yourself a warrior hero.
And the only enlisted troop in those locations who might sport a Bronze Star is likely in the Thunder Run platoon.
Before the email starts - it doesn't mean, Officers, that you didn't earn *your* Bronze Star. But look around you at all the Bronze Stars worn by officers, vice how they are awarded to the troops, and tell me that the officer corps hasn't morphed the meaning of the medal.
Me? I would actually prefer putting a Star on the MSM ribbon, to indicate excellence in performance in a combat zone, and let the Bronze Star revert to what it was originally intended to be. I don't object to the distinction being made between serving in a combat zone vice the Directorate of Combat Developments at the Field Artillery Center. Of course, in one aspect, the combat patch already makes that distinction, along with the Combat Infantry and Close Combat badges. I just object to how the Bronze Star has morphed.
Reporting As Ordered, Sir! »
"The Meritorious Service Medal is awarded to any member of the Armed Forces of the United States or to any member of the Armed Forces of a friendly foreign nation who, while serving in a noncombat area after 16 January 1969, has distinguished himself or herself by outstanding meritorious achievement or service."
John - I wear my BSM (for service, not valor) from OIF1 and the fight from the border to Baghdad. I know it's the combat equivalent of a MSM. I know that an ARCOM with a V means so much more than a naked BSM. I know the rules aren't fair to NCOs. [I wish I could have obtained a BSM instead of an ARCOM for my E-6 assistant who served in an outstanding manner, not only in his technical specialty, but in an E-7 position as a platoon sergeant in the headquarters battery.] Even outside of combat, you've got the whole AAM-ARCOM-MSM structure that is largely connected with the rank of the recipient. I know all of this ... but I still wear my BSM with pride. The BSM means what it means, no more, no less. It's funny how much satisfaction one can derive from a piece of ribbon. For me, it reflects the value that my superiors placed on my labor and sacrices.
posted by
M Lewis on June 2, 2006 11:53 AM
Which is exactly why I said what I said:
"Before the email starts - it doesn't mean, Officers, that you didn't earn *your* Bronze Star. But look around you at all the Bronze Stars worn by officers, vice how they are awarded to the troops, and tell me that the officer corps hasn't morphed the meaning of the medal. "
Okay, you didn't send an email... 8^)
posted by
John of Argghhh! on June 2, 2006 1:49 PM
Then I guess I don't understand your point. It's an Army regulation (AR 600-8-2) that makes the BSM an award for meritorious service or achievement against an armed enemy, and the MSM an award for outstanding meritorious service in a non-combat area. Under current regulations, it's impossible to award an MSM to a person in a combat zone. (It's also impossible to award an AAM in a combat zone).
I guess you're arguing for a change in regulation, not just a change in practice. Under current regulations, the BSM is a perfectly appropriate award for someone who would otherwise receive an MSM.
posted by
M Lewis on June 2, 2006 2:37 PM
Essentially, yes, I am arguing for a change.
One that I feel moves the Bronze Star back to where it was originally conceived to be. I'm one of those guys who thinks there's too many medals and ribbons anyway. The Army weakly tends to follow the Air Force lead in that regard.
Obviously, your mileage varies in detail. I posted this same bit over at Milblogs, you might want to take this over there where there is a lonely sailor fighting a solo battle from your side of the issue - since they dont' seem to be coming here to argue it.
There's plenty of room to maneuver here - and I'm not knocking anyone's individual medal - but I do think the BSM is over-awarded to officers.
posted by
John of Argghhh! on June 2, 2006 2:46 PM
When it came time to go home from Desert Storm, CO calls me in and says "Bronze Star OK with you Chief?" Me: "No sir." CO: "Tommorow 10AM, on hardstand, BC to pin BSM on you, ARCOMS on E7 and below. Thanks for your work." Me: "Need to see the BC. Did not do anything to get BSM."
Off to BC's. He thought I wanted more. I told him it was my job. Nothing more. And my guys would take the medals for the promotion points, but they did not feel good about it. He was LIVID that I would turn down HIS medal.
When I got home, I had a ARCOM at the outprocessing station. More appropriate, but still more than needed for doing job.
System is way inflated. Just like OER's were. Don't know if they still are, but probably are. It's the way it has been and always will be. It's an integrity issue in my eyes. But that's just me.
posted by
KP, CWO4 (ret) on June 2, 2006 3:01 PM
When it came time to go home from Desert Storm, CO calls me in and says "Bronze Star OK with you Chief?" Me: "No sir." CO: "Tommorow 10AM, on hardstand, BC to pin BSM on you, ARCOMS on E7 and below. Thanks for your work." Me: "Need to see the BC. Did not do anything to get BSM."
Off to BC's. He thought I wanted more. I told him it was my job. Nothing more. And my guys would take the medals for the promotion points, but they did not feel good about it. He was LIVID that I would turn down HIS medal.
When I got home, I had a ARCOM at the outprocessing station. More appropriate, but still more than needed for doing job.
System is way inflated. Just like OER's were. Don't know if they still are, but probably are. It's the way it has been and always will be. It's an integrity issue in my eyes. But that's just me.
posted by
KP, CWO4 (ret) on June 2, 2006 3:02 PM
John, I agree with you position, but regs are what they are, and the BSM does get awarded probably more than I would agree with. FWIW, we were in a combat zone and rumor stated the unit was authorized x number of BSM's. Among the gun trucks this caused some consternation, because we had operated in a quiet area and none of us felt anyone had done anything to deserve one. I guess the command agreed, because the awards given out were MSM, ACM, and AAM. I mean no disrespect to anyone who was awarded one for meritorious service, but I think the civilian world doesn't really get the distinction of the V device. FWIW I think the combat patch and CAB have already been watered down. The CIB still means something, so good on the infantry.
posted by
Pogue on June 2, 2006 3:05 PM
Okay, odd point, but it's me after all: how much of this can be traced back to the restructering after WW2 and the Doolittle committee? If I remember correctly wasn't one of the complaints then that there were too few handed out and that the paucity hurt morale? That it wasn't egalitarian enough?
I could be utterly wrong. Just a thought.
posted by ry on June 2, 2006 10:08 PM
Good, though-provoking article. I've linked to you here: http://consul-at-arms.blogspot.com/2006/06/re-bronze-star.html
BTW, I'm an E-6 who received a BSM "for meritorious service" at the end of my OIF1 tour. It's very much the wartime equivalent of the MSM, especially for officers. "V" for valor notwithstanding, anybody E-5 below wearing a BSM can be assumed to have fully earned it.
Senior NCOs and officers do seem to acquire them for not screwing up too badly while in theatre.
posted by
Consul-At-Arms on June 3, 2006 5:45 PM
John knows the story about my BSM, or lack of. At the end of my tour in Afghanistan, my OIC said he wanted to put me in for a BSM. I was torn. I didn't think what I had done deserved a BSM. John, and a few others, explained that it was the equivalent to the MSM in a combat zone. I wasn't getting a V device (and didn't deserve it), so I said ok. When he was filling out the recomendation, he found out I was only in country for 9 months. "I can't give you a BSM, you weren't here a year..." So, I'm doing a good enough job that if I were here a year, I'd get one, but since I'm only here 9 months, I don't deserve one? "Yeah." WTF?? I ended up with a Defense MSM, since we were a joint HQ. And yeah, officers got them left and right, even the ones there six months...
posted by 1sg keith on June 3, 2006 10:37 PM
This is a memo for record I sent up the chain while in Iraq. I am a personal witness to the sniveling coward officers padding eachothers careers, while the men who do the bleeding are left off the award list. It is horse shit and if you are incapable of seeing this then you need an ass kicking and I will be glad to give it to you.
AWARDS, RECOGNITION AND THE LACK THERE OF!
CO F 425 INF “NATIONAL GUARD”
DEPLOYED TO IRAQ
FEB 2004 TO FEB 2005 IN SUPPORT OF OIF II
It has come to my attention the soldiers in my unit will spend an entire year in Iraq and will receive no awards for the service. I would like to bring to everyones attention the character of the unit which is being forgotten. This unit, Co F 425 Infantry, came to the theater of operation to conduct long range reconnaissance and surveillance missions. That is the mission we thought we were to execute here in Iraq. This country has a virtually unguarded border where insurgents and enemy supporters flow threw unopposed. The Special Forces and other units capable of our mission are fully entrenched in other parts of Iraq. We are short on virtually all mission essential equipment and communication devices. Ninety percent of our vehicles deadlined within days of our arrival here in country. We have very limited organic crew served weapons and a shortage of gunners due to our poor mobilization process. We have been supporting the 202 Military Intelligence Battalion every step of the way threw this tragic comedy of errors that is called a reconstruction and or WAR! We have pulled Foreign Internal Defense missions or “F.I.D.” missions for short. Those are Special Forces missions and we are not Special Forces. My second platoon has trained two battalions of Iraqi forces to help stabilize the country. Second platoon has pulled this mission and guarded the border for over half of their tour here in country. They have done this without the proper training and equipment and done it while acting in a decentralized manner. Their platoon has been split up working in no less than three locations at any given time.
My first platoon has pulled border patrol with the striker units here in country. They have also, for the past 4 months, been working as convoy security for ABU-GERAB prison. They have pulled, what I consider, over 250 combat missions while keeping the supplies moving and sewage trucks pumping in the accursed place. They have been shot at countless times. They have discovered at least a dozen improvised explosive devices and saved untold lives with their professional service. 1st platoon found a car bomb and sealed off the road to prevent coalition causalities. 1st platoon while on convoy, pulled over two semi trucks full of bombs, explosives, shells, rockets and yes there was even N.B.C. rounds within one of the trucks. The soldiers called sheriff “the local quick reaction force” and waited for over 3 hours for them to respond. Finally, because of dwindling daylight and water, 1st platoon brought those trucks in themselves. Some of my brave soldiers rode shotgun in those truck to get them back to the prison. I was latter told my soldiers had their 9mm pistols pointed at the drivers heads the whole trip back. Those trucks were filled with munitions and were more than likely unstable. My soldiers seized the largest cash of weapons since the end of formal hostilities here in Iraq. To date they have received not even a pat on the back. The whole time they have executed this mission with up armor HUMMV’s the average operation temperature within is 138 degrees and they are in full armor and uniform at all times outside the wire.
1st platoon is a LRS Infantry platoon not military police.
They have executed that mission with utter perfection and a professionalism, the likes of which is rarely seen in this world. I salute them, they are hero’s one and all!
My 3rd platoon is patrolling around Baghdad and the Airport. They are conducting counter mortar and counter rocket operations. They are doing it with next to no specialized equipment and the equipment they do have was begged, borrowed and yes probably stolen, “knowing those guys”. They drive out with 10th mountain and or the CAV almost every night crawling threw slug and sewage and laying in mud waiting for the next launch. They also have had their share of “IED” exposure. One team watched as the vehicle behind them was destroyed by 3x155 rounds buried in the road. The team gave first aid, secured the site, and called in a medi-vac, which took an hour to arrive, and collected all sensitive items and sterilized the vehicle. All the soldiers in that destroyed vehicle owe my men their lives, their limbs and one his eye site. That debt can never be repaid!
Today the list of bronze star medals came across my desk. I was outraged! The 202 MI BN has their entire headquarters receiving a bronze star. The HQ never did anything more than their job. They were never shot at, except the BN commander who was hit by an IED with the 425 HQ while conducting courtesy visits to his Tactical Humit Teams. And the BN commander had the balls to roll out with us in April fully expecting enemy contact from the insurgents.
I understand that the full time soldiers need the awards to further their career. I also understand that the BN staff job sucks and the bull shit they have to swallow fully makes them eligible for awards as my men. But what I do not agree with is the unwritten quota on the bronze star medal. The whole, submit your soldiers for an entire year of service once is completely wrong. According to AR 600-8-22 section (1-14) paragraph b, soldiers are to be submitted for recognition as soon as possible. Also according to the statistics presented in the attached table the awards are violating AR 672-20 section (2-1) paragraph b and d. There is clearly a bias toward the officers and the active duty in the awards list. Further more the process of kicking back the awards six and seven times was also against AR 600-8-22 section 3-18 paragraph q, the over complications of punctuations and other minor errors violated the spirit in which the award was intended. We are soldier’s not English majors. I find it hard to believe my soldiers are being denied their recognition because of such minor and petty things that are not even supported in the regulation. The regulation clearly states the award needs to be written in black ink and legible. By the regulation we could have even hand written them and they still should have been viable. The number of revisions needed, the one window for submission, and the unwritten quota is bordering on discrimination and harassment toward my soldiers. I am not going to stand for it. Consider this the beginnings of a formal complaint that I will take as high as necessary to see satisfaction.
1st SGT POPP
CO F 425 INF (AIRBORNE) L.R.S.
47% all BSM to BN HQ?
37% to 202 MI BN?
14% to 425 INF? 425 is 55% of the 202 MI BN?
425 85% of BSM down graded to ARCOM?
REVIEW THE NUMBERS AND FEEL SHAME
posted by TERRENCE POPP on June 8, 2006 10:55 AM
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In the midst of the failures of a few, a good development.
June 2, 2006 — Military sources told ABC News that there are likely to be charges filed against officers up the chain of command in connection with the killing of 24 civilians by U.S. Marines in Haditha, Iraq, in November 2005.
Those who could be charged include senior officers who were not on the scene at the time of the killing but should have known something wrong had happened and done something about it.
All I have to say is - good. Let 'em defend themselves, and if they fail the test, let us put them away from us. Toss the bad apples.
And the rest of us will get about our duties, doing the best we can to make this work.
Leader scalps are *always* good. No railroads. No rush to judgement. But if they're guilty - whack 'em with the book.
The rest of the story is here.
Reporting As Ordered, Sir! »
/oh helk
rant pre-emptively deleted.
I guess I'll buy off on this with the qualifiers you added in. I wish I had more confidence in the 'no railroads' factor, however. Be that as it may, the old "it happened on your watch" still applies.
I just hate to see that so selectively applied after Abu Ghuraib and Mzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Karpinski.
posted by
Cassandra on June 2, 2006 4:30 PM
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Veterans ID Protection Act
Color me unimpressed.
Rep. John Salazar (D. Colo.) has introduced the Veterans Identity Protection Act of 2006. This bill will require the Veteran's Administration to provide one year of free credit monitoring and a free annual credit report for the next two years to veterans who are affected by the recent theft of personal data contained on a laptop a VA employee had no business taking home. The measure also seeks to authorize $1.25 billion (that's billion, folks) to implement the program for the first year.
The bill has 92 co-sponsors. 89 are Democrats, 2 are Republicans, and the House's lone Independent have signed on as cosponsors. (Click here if you want to explore the names and districts)
I don't know Representative Salazar well, so I'll take a leap of faith here and assume, based on his website, that he's friendly to veteran's issues. Those who follow these things more closely can comment if they wish.
Examining this bill, I'm baffled. It's either;
1. A cynical attempt to splashily jump on the issue, embarrass the Administration, and isn't a piece of serious legislation, other than to smack the Administration while riding on the backs of veterans. Which is too bad, if Representative Salazar is in fact the friend of vets he portrays himself to be? Co-sponsors, knowing this, can safely jump on it and will use it to give themselves vet-cred in the upcoming election cycle, risking nothing for a shameless prostitution of themselves and a cynical manipulation of their constituents. Or,
2. These people are too stupid/ignorant to be allowed near the levers of power.
Ike Skelton (among others in the sponsorship list) is defense-savvy, and not stupid. He was my Representative for my entire career before I retired and officially was out of his district. So, I have to assume that as a vet, I'm being rode hard, put up wet - and they think I'm ignorant, or stupid, or both. For some co-sponsors, we know it's both.
How else to explain that they want to spend 1.25 billion dollars to pay for a service any of the affected veterans can get... for free. Simply by making a few telephone calls. It took me all of 30 minutes to request the credit reports and put a credit watch on my social security number with the 3 credit reporting agencies. And it didn't cost me a dime.
Even if we assume (wrongly) that all 26.5 million potentially affected veterans are alive and therefore vulnerable, they want to spend roughly 50 dollars each for a service already provided for free.
Heh. I'll take that 1.25 billion if they really want to spend it. They could plow that into the medical accounts and upgrade those services, rather than pay to provide a service you can already get, for free.
As I said, color me unimpressed. There are plenty of serious reasons to spend that money - this just isn't one of them. Fund the VA to do the outreach to tell veterans to get their free credit reports and establish the credit watch - and then with the remaining 1.24 billion, take care of those Who Bore The Burden, not pay some middleman to do work that doesn't need doing.
Ya wanna credit report, and establish an extended credit watch?
Here, provided free, as a public service:
How do I request a "fraud alert" be placed on my file if I believe I may be affected by the recent Veterans Affairs data security breach?
You have the right to ask that nationwide consumer credit reporting companies place "fraud alerts" in your file to let potential creditors and others know that you may be a victim of identity theft. A fraud alert can make it more difficult for someone to get credit in your name because it tells creditors to follow certain procedures to protect you. It also may delay your ability to obtain credit. You may place a fraud alert in your file by calling just one of the three nationwide consumer credit reporting companies. As soon as that agency processes your fraud alert, it will notify the other two, which then also must place fraud alerts in your file.
Equifax: 1-877-576-5734; www.equifax.com
Experian: 1-888-397-3742; www.experian.com/fraud
TransUnion: 1-800-680-7289; www.transunion.com
An initial fraud alert stays in your file for at least 90 days. An extended alert stays in your file for seven years. To place either of these alerts, a consumer credit reporting company will require you to provide appropriate proof of your identity, which may include your Social Security number. If you ask for an extended alert, you will have to provide an identity theft report. An identity theft report includes a copy of a report you have filed with a federal, state, or local law enforcement agency. For more detailed information about the identity theft report, visit www.consumer.gov/idtheft.
What is a credit file disclosure?
A credit file disclosure provides you with all of the information in your credit file maintained by a consumer reporting company that could be provided by the consumer reporting company in a consumer report about you to a third party, such as a lender. A credit file disclosure also includes a record of everyone who has received a consumer report about you from the consumer reporting company within a certain period of time ("inquiries"). The credit file disclosure includes certain information that is not included in a consumer report about you to a third party, such as the inquiries of companies for pre-approved offers of credit or insurance and account reviews, and any medical account information which is suppressed for third party users of consumer reports. You are entitled to receive a disclosure copy of your credit file from a consumer reporting company under Federal law and the laws of various states.
How often can I request a free credit file disclosure through this website?
You are entitled to receive one free credit file disclosure every 12 months from each of the nationwide consumer credit reporting companies – Equifax, Experian and TransUnion. This free credit file can be requested through this website, by phone or by mail.
Extracted from from the VA Data Security tab at AnnualCreditReport.com, the site established by TransUnion, Experian, and Equifax.
Dear Congressman Salazar - you can put my $50 towards VA Healthcare services.
Reporting As Ordered, Sir! »
John,
Thanks for the very timely and valuable information.
Another question: do you know of any way a veteran can check with the VA to confirm whether or not his or her information was compromised?
Seems like this would be a way to avoid potential problems arising from the fraud alert and credit file disclosure remedies, if one's personal information was not in the database that was stolen.
posted by fdcol63 on June 2, 2006 7:15 AM
The VA's answer to your question is essentially this...
If you separated from the service, or used any VA benefit (like mortgage guarantees, for example) since 1975 (when they automated their records) your data was on that laptop.
BUT.
Your data *might* be on that laptop from prior to 1975 because they have handjammed a lot of that data into the records.
In short - you're on it, dude, just because I know you served in the 80's.
Any WWII, Korea, or Vietnam-era vet who's used their GI Bill, or gets disability compensation, etc, is on that list.
posted by
John of Argghhh! on June 2, 2006 7:23 AM
LOL - why do I always hit the "lottery" when it's BAD news?
Thanks for the info, John.
posted by fdcol63 on June 2, 2006 7:38 AM
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Let 'em have their day in court.
Military prosecutors plan to file murder, kidnapping and conspiracy charges against seven Marines and a Navy corpsman in the shooting death of an Iraqi civilian in April, a defense lawyer said Thursday.
This is unrelated to Haditha. It is very much related to Commandant Hagee's recent trip around the world.
The officer corps, commissioned and enlisted, of the Corps, and I don't doubt, the Army, need to pause, reflect, and make sure they've got their moral compasses with them.
That said - this happens in every war of significant duration that has ever been fought. That includes the "Last Great War" that ended in 1945. The Greatest Generation had it's murderers, too.
One of the things that marks a distinction between our miltary and Saddam's military, or Milosevic's, or Hitler's is the fact that we're doing the investigating (the Marine investigation of Haditha predates the press revelations of same) and where the evidence supports the allegations - we prosecute.
And, just like in real life murders - even though we know something stinks, and we're pretty sure we know who did it - the evidence just isn't there, so yes, I'm sure some malefactors go unpunished. Just like in the rest of an imperfect world, where real CSIs and the labs they work for can't wrap everything up neatly in one hour. Much less have some of the crime scene control issues offered up in a combat zone. Unlike the Press and the Public, a Court has to have sufficient evidence, a distinction, at bottom, we're all glad exists.
If there's evidence, charge 'em. Fight it out in Court. And if the defense loses, we've got space here at Leavenworth. Send 'em to us.
The whole story is here.
Crossposted at Milblogs.
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as far as I am aware, the investigation cleared U.S. troops of wrongdoing in the deaths of up to 13 Iraqis in a village north of Baghdad. Maj. Gen. William Caldwell said U.S. troops responded appropriately to an attack by insurgents during a raid in Ishaqi on March 15. A roadside bomb hit a U.S. convoy in Ishaqi on Saturday, wounding two U.S. soldiers.
Also, I cannot imagine our Marines just go into a house, drag a man outside and flat out shoot him. Sounds more like what they were saying about our guys in Vietnam...
As for Haditha incident, if Marines were enraged and killed everybody in sight, how come the survivors were taken to our hospital for treatment by a helicopter?? If you believe the story told by survivors and accusers, it would have been more logical for our bloodthirsty Marines to leave them untreated so they might die and there would be no witnesses??
posted by olga on June 3, 2006 10:31 PM
Pity the elected members of government won't reflect on their moral lack of direction.
posted by
LarryConley on June 4, 2006 2:14 AM
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June 1, 2006
Janis Karpinski, unwrapped.
I'm sorry this is so long. I'm having a Cassandra moment. Indulge me.
I won't lie. I had an attitude when I ordered the book. I've always been just fine with the Commanding General of Abu Ghraib getting relieved. In these pages I've grumped that not enough officers have yet sat in the dock, accounting to a Court for their actions or inaction. I've noted the trials and convictions. I've mocked Karpinski's post-retirement embracing of the Moonbats as she acts like a camo'd Mother Sheehan. I was especially appalled by the Amazon page for her book - which I parodied here.
Then the damn book arrived, and I read it. I bought it used, via Amazon. It was surplused out of the Wilmington Public Library, and I got it for $3.95, plus shipping. Cover price is $24.95. Karpinski didn't see a dime of my money. Which, in the event, I'm still happy about, it being one of the most poorly edited and written books I've read in a long time. But then, I shouldn't be surprised, the imprint is that of Miramax Books, not exactly known for serious tomes and I doubt the home of a decently informed (on military affairs) editor. However the book was just poorly edited, period. It suffers from loss of narrative by jumping around a lot, and what I can only assume were assistant writer Steven Strasser's attempts to make military jargon fall more pleasantly on untuned civilian ears. All I know is it makes for 'squirm-in-the-seat' reading when a Command and General Staff College graduate continually refers to "Army Battle Divisions" which I am pretty sure is terminology she didn't use. No one in the Army, much less a 25 year veteran, talks about "Battle Divisions." But that's just me. Maybe things are different out there in the Real Army vice where I live and work at Fort Leavenworth... but I doubt it.
The book jacket as I received it is correct, vice how it appears on Amazon - it does *not* say "General Janis Karpinski, as does the Amazon cover - which undoubtedly dates from the pre-publication pre-order listing. I'll credit Karpinski with probably getting that changed. I hope so. It's only a one-word change - but it represents a lot in terms of credibility.
Anyway, I read the damn book.
It was, despite its flaws, a fascinating read.
And I believe, based on her own words, she deserved to be relieved, and probably not prosecuted for dereliction. It's a hard world out there, when the blood is sticky on the pavement, and she simply failed. The fact that almost anyone with her experience and in her position would probably have failed isn't relevant. She failed, and to me, confirms that with her own words.
If you're still interested, the rest is in the Flash Traffic/Extended Entry.
Flash Traffic (extended entry) Follows... »
Karpinski's career runs parallel to mine, in terms of the time we spent in service. And our early careers crossed paths a few times. Her descriptions of Fort McClellan as "dyke central" during the late 70's matched mine, when I was a basic training company XO there, of an all-female basic training company. It was a fascinating place.
Her descriptions of the obstacles she faced as a female officer in many ways matched my observations of what happened in the Army during that period, both as a male watching from the relative outside, and as the husband of a female officer, listening to her experiences and concerns. Much of what happened to Karpinski in that regard, and how she dealt with it, rings absolutely true. I think she over-generalizes some things, especially in her "little gun" vice "big gun" description of male officers in the MP Corps vice Infantry, but I admit I wasn't an MP.
She obviously liked the Army and the soldiers, yet she got out at the 10 year point and worked on her own and as a DA civilian. Some of her dealings with the sexual harassment played into that decision I think - but I also think she managed to be amazingly naive about things - a trait which probably is at the core of her eventual foundering on the rocks of Abu Ghraib.
Her Desert Storm experience was an interesting window to that conflict - especially since she did it as a mobilized Reservist. Her discussions of the Regular/Reserve tension ring true, if with a bit of a chip on her shoulder. I'm one of those Regulars who were always pounding on my compatriots about the abusive tone they took about Reservists in general, vice just the slugs who earned it - and Karpinski has no use for those slugs, either.
I suspect I would have liked working with her, and eventually, for her. Full-disclosure - she made it farther than I did, and not just because my health failed me - I think she earned her promotion to Brigadier General, inasmuch as anyone does. Reality - there's a huge element of luck (at least with the Regulars). If all the promotable Colonels were killed in an airplane crash, they could be replaced instantly from the same pool of eligibles with no real loss in quality. (Keep the snarks to a minimum, please) I've gotten several emails from soldiers who served with her, especially as it was all breaking, who supported her whole-heartedly and spoke well of her. From reading Karpinski's book, it all fits together.
I think Karpinski truly believes she got relieved not only as a scapegoat over Abu Ghraib, but also because she was a female general treading in the turf of the male warfighters.
I would have relieved Omar Bradley if he had been in command at Abu Ghraib. Based solely upon what she says in the book. Strip out the gender tension; apply only her narrative and description, and I would have relieved anyone in her position.
That doesn't diminish in any way what she has to say about her relationship with MG (now commanding at Fort Benning) Wojadowski, or LTG (still commanding V Corps, Germany) Sanchez. If I take all of her descriptions at face value (and I've had conversations with senior officers in just the tone she describes) I still would have relieved her. Or of her very real problems with how the chain of command was structured, and her sharing of authority but seemingly not responsibility with Colonel Pappas.
She was the confluence of command responsibility. And she paid the commander's price for failure. Whether or not others should also pay is a story yet to be written. Colonel Thomas Pappas, who commanded the interrogators of the 205th MI Brigade, took an Article 15 proceeding vice a Courts Martial for dereliction. His career ended in a whimper and a fine. LTC Jordan, one of Pappas' officers, is facing a Court for his role in the events at Abu Ghraib. Several of the NCOs and other soldiers involved have gone to jail, as well as the two most infamous players in the drama, Charles Graner and Lynndie England. LTC Jerry Phillabaum, who commanded the 320th MP Battalion at Abu Ghraib was removed from the promotion list and thus had his career end badly over the issue. The reality is, the farther you ripple out from an event like this, the harder it is to pin *criminal* vice command, responsibility. And the farther away the command lies from the epicenter - absent smoking gun policy documents, orders, etc, the harder it is to justify outright relief, vice a quiet end to a career. In that regard it will be instructive to see if LTG Sanchez retires from V Corps, or moves on to a different job and an eventual fourth star, as his predecessor at V Corps, GEN Scott Wallace, who now has his 4th star and command of TRADOC. I'm not read in, but I'm guessing LTG Sanchez, widely considered competitive for a 4th star before Abu Ghraib, goes to Fort Livingroom as a 3 star.
I think Karpinski is also correct in that the situation is indicative of more systemic problems with our post-war planning and EPW/Unlawful Combatant/Combat Intelligence arena than it is just an aberrant bunch of soldiers having a "good time" at prisoner's expense. And *that* is also a failure of command climate. For which Karpinski is proximately to blame - as are others. Let's let her speak for herself.
From page 4, the introduction.
The best and worst aspects of my military career came together in Iraq. I had prepared for the challenge by serving in some of the Army's toughest male precincts, earning my parachute wings and a Bronze Star for my role in the first Gulf War. I served for years in the Middle East, not only as a soldier but as a diplomat training young Arab women to bear arms for their country. In Iraq, I became the first female general ever to command soldiers in a combat zone. But I also faced a crisis that ranked as the most devastating of my life - though its circumstances did not seem completely unfamiliar to a woman serving in the military. When things went wrong at the Abu Ghraib prison, nobody stood out as a more convenient target than the female general who looked so out of place from the perspective of all those male warriors. If my superiors expected me to accept their version of events and go away meekly, they made a mistake of strategic proportions. As the commander of the military police soldiers throughout Iraq, I accept my share of the responsibility for the abuses committed by some of them who worked the night shift in cellblock IA at Abu Ghraib. But I do not accept the aspersions cast upon the great majority of soldiers who worked at Abu Ghraib and other prisons. Nor do I accept my assigned role as the sacrificial lamb of the tale.
On of my goals in this book is to give my side of the story. The abuses at Abu Ghraib were indeed an aberration. But they were not the work of a few wayward soldiers and their female leader. They were the result of conflicting orders and confused standards extending from the military commanders in Iraq all the way to the summit of civilian leadership in Washington. A year after the Abu Ghraib photographs appeared on television screens, this point hardly needs arguing. The scandal has spread from Abu Ghraib to the far corners of Iraq, Afghanistan, and Guantanamo Bay, involving military people, CIA agents, and other civilians. Anyone fighting the counterterrorist war in the Middle East had a clear mandate - to extract actionable intelligence for use against our terrorist enemies and a growing Iraqi insurgency - but only fuzzy rules of engagement. That was a recipe for 'taking off the gloves' in interrogations, and almost inevitably for prisoner abuse.
They were the result of conflicting orders and confused standards extending from the military commanders in Iraq all the way to the summit of civilian leadership in Washington. True enough, probably. And Janis Karpinski was at the juncture where it all came together. And she failed. She, like most of the players in this sad story, took the path of least resistance, which helped lead to the abuses at Abu Ghraib. As did Phillabaum and Pappas - both of whom paid a similar price to Karpinski. Did she ever stomp her foot and precipitate the necessary crisis? No, she didn't. She didn't lay her career on the line - for lots of reasons, all of which are easy to rationalize away - and which all of us in command have, at one time or another faced, and most of them we too, rationalized away. It's easy to see it in retrospect, much harder to see in the event.
In her own words from page 212, after a discussion of the litany of subordinate leadership failures and weaknesses:
In retrospect, I have asked myself whether I was tough enough with these subordinates and in my whole approach to leadership at Abu Ghraib. Did I spend too much effort trying to take care of my soldiers and devote too little attention to training and disciplining them?
The way she asks the question reveals part of the problem. Taking care of soldiers is not an element of leadership and command responsibility that is somehow distinct from training and discipline. They are part and parcel of the same thing, no more separable than arms and legs from the body - if you want a fully functioning body.
She goes on:
The honest answer is that these soldiers should have been better trained. Sent to Iraq on short notice in the middle of a war, we had tried to muddle through on the skills we already had: maintaining temporary camps and caring for prisoners of war. I should have found some way to better prepare these young MPs for the much tougher challenges of hardened criminals and terrorists against a background of whistling mortar shells. They thoroughly understood their responsibilities under the Geneva-Hague conventions, but only in the context of routine EPW operations. At Bug Ghraib, when intelligence interrogators encouraged them to "soften-up" terrorists suspected of plotting against our country, they had no relevant training to fall back on , no standards for how to both respect prisoner' rights and "take the gloves off" against terrorists.
And that was your responsibility, Colonel. And that of your subordinate commanders. All of whom have paid a price, in one way or another, for that failure. As they should.
She continues:
I should have anticipated what was coming. Throughout our months of handling prisoners, we had respectful relations with the International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC), which conducted regular inspection visits to our prisons. When the ICRC inspectors complained about bad sewage at one facility or that prisoners were getting too little exercise at another, we fixed the problems. In mid-October--before the 372nd arrived on the scene [the company with SPC Graner and PVT England in it. ed.] the ICRC visited cellblock 1A at Abu Ghraib and found detainees kept naked in dark, empty cells. A military intelligence officer told the inspectors that the prisoners would be "drip-fed" their clothing, bedding, and hygiene articles to the extent they cooperated with the interrogators. The ICRC inspectors noted that some prisoners had been issued women's underwear in an effort to humiliate them. Some of the CJTF7 officers go a good laugh out of that one. "I told Colonel Pappas to stop sending those prisoners Victoria's Secret catalogs,” one reportedly said.
When I talked to Pappas about these conditions, he told me all the procedures used in cellblock 1A were approved. Some prisoners took off their clothing because they were hot, he said, and some as a protest; in other case, solders removed the clothing because a detainee might have used it to hang himself. His explanations sounded reasonable to me. But I should have asked: How are my MPs being used in cellblock 1A, and do they have appropriate standards of behavior?
Should I have enforced discipline like Sanchez, haranguing subordinates and poling them in the chest? That has never been my style and never will be. Bullying soldiers, pushing them to give what they can't give, is counterproductive. My style is to communicate in an adult way, clearly and reasonably, making sure that subordinates understand their responsibilities and the consequences of any failure and they respond appropriately. If a leader respects the limits of where her soldiers can do, sometimes they will [emphasis in original] accomplish the impossible.
There is a time to communicate "in an adult way" Colonel Karpinski. And a time to just make sure you communicate effectively. Peacetime methods under the pressure of wartime exigencies sometimes call for the Command to COMMAND, not build consensus. And your failure to grasp that is why you were relieved.
The vacating of her promotion to Brigadier is the other element of this story that is a bit more confusing, given the absence of any criminal proceeding against Colonel Karpinski. All of us who hold commissions hold them at the pleasure of the President of the United States. Technically, *each* promotion in grade is also a new commission. In the not-so-distant past, you actually got a new commission document when you were promoted. There are procedural and legal safeguards for an officer affording due process against adverse actions up to and including those of the Secretary of Defense. However, the President can terminate a commission at will. They are the property and perogative of the office, subject pretty much only to the Constitutional restrictions emplaced by the Oath of Commissioning. The President routinely delegates his authority to the various Secretarys in these matters. But the ultimate power rests in the Office of the President.
Colonel Karpinski explains the shoplifting incident and its subsequent resolution in her favor. I see no reason to doubt her word on the subject. And she describes the devastation she felt when informed her promotion had been vacated. She does not go into the details - essentially dismissing it as a legal, but unjustified act of vindictiveness.
As I understand it, as a part of the vetting process for promotion to general officer, the officer in question has to fill out a questionaire similar to those for security clearances or other high government appointments. Allegedly, Colonel Karpinski failed to note her apprehension for the shoplifting incident on the form (a requirement to note all arrests, except for routine traffic problems is, regardless of subsequent adjudication of guilt or innocence a routine requirement for background checks), and that was used as the basis for vacating her promotion, because had she noted it, she would not have been promoted until the issue was investigated and cleared, and failure to note it is grounds for refusing the promotion. I'm sure Colonel Karpinski suspects (and I would agree) that had she not been the lightning rod for Abu Ghraib, that little mistake would have been overlooked, or at least not caught. Whether or not that's the case, I don't know. I'm sure there is at least a grain of truth there.
So, where does this leave me? I believe Colonel Karpinski's own words justify her relief. Life is hard in a combat zone, and much is expected from those to whom much is given in terms of rank and responsibility. That others above her should suffer? Perhaps, but her book provides no new evidence in support of that contention, though I am *always* interested in General Officer scalps. I wish the book was documented, rather than a rambling conversation, but that is probably asking for too much at this point. I see no reason to go after Karpinski criminally, and I think the fact that Colonel Pappas *was* hit with a criminal sanction (albeit a mild one) and Colonel Karpinski was not reflects the senior leadership's assessment that he held a greater personal culpability than did Colonel Karpinski. Karpinski still doesn't really get it - which is part and parcel of that blind spot that got her relieved.
The book was worth what I paid for it. It is also a useful work in that it *is* a window into the military culture of the 80's and 90's as seen by a female officer with a justifiable chip on her shoulder about how she was treated (and rings true to my personal experience as well).
As for a defense of Janis Karpinski as commander of the 800th MP Brigade? No. Not a defense. A presentation for mitigation and extenuation, i.e., the punishment phase, yes. A Defense? No. By her own words she condemns herself. But I'm glad I read it - it has reduced some of my ire with her and redirected it elsewhere.
That said - she shames herself by her embrace of the Moonbat Anti-war crowd and her continued spreading of the "women died of dehydration because they were afraid to go out alone" canard.
Mother Sheehan in camo, indeed. And that's too bad.
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Good review, John - thanks. Concur that as the first flag in the chain, the responsibility to fix those things left broken in the policies was hers. Too bad if they were only clear in retrospect, but that's a flag's job too. Why they get paid those big bucks.
And you left off a stray /i tag in there, somewhere. By the way.
posted by
lex on June 1, 2006 8:54 AM
Yeah, I just noticed that. I hit publish and left for the cube farm, and just checked in to see if it posted.
posted by
John of Argghhh! on June 1, 2006 9:06 AM
She fails in the end to take any forthright blame for the events, by deflecting as you noted. That's not a good leadership trait, and to now embrace the moonbatty side of the anti-war movements is just a further peek at the iceberg of reality. I appreciate you taking on the task, and providing such a thoughtful review, John. Now I don't need to read it.
posted by
Barb on June 1, 2006 9:06 AM
Excellent review John. A very thorough and thoughtful reflection on the topic, and the officer in question.
I believe your assessment of COL Karpinski, her leadership, and her specific responsibility for Abu Ghraib will ultimately be the most accurate, historically.
And yes, thanks for reading it for us.
posted by
dadmanly on June 1, 2006 9:54 AM
I'll probably still read it. Just to be able to say I did.
However if I was a betting man I'd be willing to place them that its because of that chip, and that Blind Spot that she's running to the Moonbats with open arms. She needs someone who will give her solace and say she's correct. Even if she's wrong.
posted by
BloodSpite on June 1, 2006 10:00 AM
John - thanks so much for reading that for us.
There, did that seems nice? My one nice thing of the day *crosses off list*
posted by
Maggie on June 1, 2006 10:14 AM
I should add a couple relevant details. While Pappas wasn't court-martialed, he did recieve an Article 15, was fined $8,000, and was relieved of command. But he kept his rank and he's still serving.
posted by
brogonzo on June 1, 2006 10:31 AM
Um, Brogonzo, did you *read* the post? Specifically this paragraph:
She was the confluence of command responsibility. And she paid the commander's price for failure. Whether or not others should also pay is a story yet to be written. Colonel Thomas Pappas, who commanded the interrogators of the 205th MI Brigade, took an Article 15 proceeding vice a Courts Martial for dereliction. His career ended in a whimper and a fine. LTC Jordan, one of Pappas' officers, is facing a Court for his role in the events at Abu Ghraib. Several of the NCOs and other soldiers involved have gone to jail, as well as the two most infamous players in the drama, Charles Graner and Lynndie England. LTC Jerry Phillabaum, who commanded the 320th MP Battalion at Abu Ghraib was removed from the promotion list and thus had his career end badly over the issue. The reality is, the farther you ripple out from an event like this, the harder it is to pin *criminal* vice command, responsibility. And the farther away the command lies from the epicenter - absent smoking gun policy documents, orders, etc, the harder it is to justify outright relief, vice a quiet end to a career. In that regard it will be instructive to see if LTG Sanchez retires from V Corps, or moves on to a different job and an eventual fourth star, as his predecessor at V Corps, GEN Scott Wallace, who now has his 4th star and command of TRADOC. I'm not read in, but I'm guessing LTG Sanchez, widely considered competitive for a 4th star before Abu Ghraib, goes to Fort Livingroom as a 3 star.
Pappas may still be serving, but that's because he hasn't chosen to retire. Karpinski and Phillabaum did so choose.
As for the junior enlisted going to jail, they were found to be proximately involved in the events, vice holders of command responsibility, which doesn't necessarily translate to criminal culpability. As I discussed in the "expanding ripples" comment in the piece.
And LTC Jordan *is* facing a court (follow the link provided).
posted by
John of Argghhh! on June 1, 2006 10:40 AM
I should also point out, that for the most point, my intent with the post was to discuss Karpinski, and not all the peripheral players.
I can entertain a notion that Sanchez should have paid a more visible price than he has, but the reality is as Lex termed it - Karpinski is the first flag in the chain. As such, she is the confluence of all the command responsibility therein contained - absent, as I mentioned, 'smoking gun' policy documents, statements, etc, on the part of more senior officers.
Regardless of who else should possibly be whacked, one way or another, by the cudgel of justice, Karpinski earned her relief.
posted by
John of Argghhh! on June 1, 2006 10:45 AM
John --
My mistake... I neglected to check out the portion of the post "behind the cut." (Mental note to make sure to do that every time from now on). Mea culpa.
Anyway, there is a UCMJ article (I'd have to look it up) that was used in the trial of Capt. Fulton, the commander of the basic training company here whose drill sergeants were accused of trainee abuse. He was eventually found guilty of the charge of negligent dereliction of duty.
I do understand charging those whose hands were actually involved in the abuse at Abu Ghraib, but the sheer number of those indicted seems to indicate at the very least a failure on some command level.
Anyway, sorry for skipping the meat of your post before posting. I read the first bit and got excited since I had an Army source fresh in memory.
posted by
brogonzo on June 1, 2006 10:48 AM
At this point, it would appear that LTC Jordan may be playing the role of CPT Fulton in this drama, largely because the lines of responsibility were blurred there. The criminal focus appears to be on the MI side, and the people who were exercising authority inside cellblock 1A, which is not the MP chain of command, but the 205th MI Brigade.
posted by
John of Argghhh! on June 1, 2006 11:00 AM
Great review, John. Maybe if COL Karpinski had remembered that sometimes that "adult" communication, along with "clearly and reasonably"...means the communication is one way, top to bottom, not a discussion and not a consensus, a large part of the whole incident could have been avoided. And that catchprase of today's Army, "take care of Soldiers", needs to be stricken from the Army vocabulary. A true leader does not "take care of Soldiers", they train them to take care of themselves.
Keep up the good work!
posted by SFC D on June 1, 2006 1:29 PM
see what i mean?
thx for your thoughts on the matter.
posted by
MajMike on June 1, 2006 1:37 PM
I'm with Maggie on this one - better you than me. I do appreciate your analysis though. I'd much rather hear your thoughts than read her excuses.
posted by
HomefrontSix on June 1, 2006 9:47 PM
Early on in the press coverage of the Abu Ghraib scandal, Karpinski appeared on TV and said, "I can't be held responsible for this." (Or, something close to that, essential part being "I'm Not Responsible.") Bull. AR 600-20, Army Command Policy, says "A commander is responsible for everything his unit does or fails to do." For a GO to appear in public and say, "I'm Not Responsible" is really weak. I don't see how she could fight her way that far up the chain of command, and still not understand that she was responsible. For me, she lost any credibility right there.
Thanks for the review. I may actually have to read this for material for the RC commanders I train.
posted by Tobias Magan on June 3, 2006 7:29 PM
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May 31, 2006
On Marine Virtue.
Just when work swamps and the Muse deserts... email saves. Thanks, Keo!
I have been reading your blog and have sent some good friends to check it out. Very well done and we appreciate it. I thought you might like to read the message the Commandant of the Marine Corps has sent out to Marines. The CMC and Sgt Maj of the Marine Corps have been meeting with Marines in Iraq and we have gotten some feedback from them in one of the Marine and Corpsman only forums on the Internet. This is the message sent out.....
“On Marine Virtue”
By Gen. M. W. Hagee
Recent serious allegations concerning actions of Marines in combat have caused me concern. They should cause you to be concerned as well. To ensure we continue to live up to General Lejeune’s description of a Marine as someone who demonstrates “all that is highest in military efficiency and soldierly virtue,” I would like to review the importance of our core values.
As Marines, you are taught from your earliest days in the Corps about our core values of honor, courage and commitment. These values are part of and belong to all Marines, regardless of MOS, grade, or gender. They guide us in all that we do; whether in combat, in garrison, or on leave or liberty.
To a Marine, honor is more than just honesty; it means having uncompromising personal integrity and being accountable for all actions. To most Marines, the most difficult part of courage is not the raw physical courage that we have seen so often on today’s battlefield. It is rather the moral courage to do the “right thing” in the face of danger or pressure from other Marines. Finally, commitment is that focus on caring for one another and upholding the great ideals of our Corps and Country.
The nature of this war with its ruthless enemies, and its complex and dangerous battlefield will continue to challenge us in the commitment to our core values. We must be strong and help one another to measure up. The war will also test our commitment to our belief in the rule of law.
We have all been educated in the Law of Armed Conflict. We continue to reinforce that training, even when deployed to combat zones. We do not employ force just for the sake of employing force. We use lethal force only when justified, proportional and, most importantly, lawful. We follow the laws and regulations, Geneva Convention and Rules of Engagement. This is the American way of war. We must regulate force and violence, we only damage property that must be damaged, and we protect the non-combatants we find on the battlefield.
When engaged in combat, particularly in the kind of counterinsurgency operations we’re involved in now, we have to be doubly on guard. Many of our Marines have been involved in life or death combat or have witnessed the loss of their fellow Marines, and the effects of these events can be numbing. There is the risk of becoming indifferent to the loss of a human life, as well as bringing dishonor upon ourselves. Leaders of all grades need to reinforce continually that Marines care for one another and do what is right.
The large majority of Marines today perform magnificently on and off the battlefield. I am very proud of the bravery, dedication, honor, courage and commitment you clearly display every day. And America is proud as well. Americans, indeed most people around the world, recognize that Marines are men and women of the highest caliber – physically, mentally, and morally.
Each one of you contributes in your own unique way to our important mission; I am proud of your dedication and accomplishments. Even after 38 years, I still stand with pride every time I hear the Marines Hymn. The words of that Hymn mean something special to me. Especially, “Keep our Honor Clean”. I know that means something to all of you as well. As Marines we have an obligation to past Marines, fellow Marines, future Marines and ourselves to do our very best to live up to these words.
As your Commandant, I charge all Marines to carry on our proud legacy by demonstrating our values in everything you do – on duty and off; in combat or in garrison. Semper Fidelis.
- USMC -
Reporting As Ordered, Sir! »
Sorry to burst your bubble, but you've been scooped on this-on these very pages, even! *GRIN* /snark
It's good stuff though, and I'm glad you're highlighting it like this.
posted by
FbL on May 31, 2006 8:38 AM
Yeah, I knew that - but this one came with a preface that said nice things about this place.
So there.
And, I was desperate.
And, it's all over the milblogs anyway. Just consider this part of googlebombing.
posted by
John of Argghhh! on May 31, 2006 8:46 AM
Well, I put up H&I Fire for you, and it's got some good stuff. Maybe it'll make up for the snarkage. ;)
posted by
FbL on May 31, 2006 8:55 AM
I prefer my Marines without virtue
posted by
Maggie on May 31, 2006 9:04 AM
Maggie, is there anyone you prefer WITH virtue...?
posted by 1sg keith on May 31, 2006 5:19 PM
Nuns......priests.....any girl dating my sons or my extras.
Otherwise no.
Why do you think we got along so well baby?
posted by
Maggie on May 31, 2006 9:01 PM
I prefer *my* Marines without clothes....
just sayin'.
posted by Were-Kitten on May 31, 2006 9:07 PM
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May 30, 2006
Announcement is made...

Of the 1st Milbloggers Shootout! Francis Marion is recruiting.
Maggie claims she doesn't shoot, and what sort of entertainment will we provide her?
I say - she runs the butts.
Now, who will be first to explain why *that* is simply perfect?
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"Maggie claims she doesn't shoot.........."
Sounds like you don't exactly believe me.
I have had my hand on a gun exactly once. It was in a holster attached to a state trooper I was dating. We were engaging in one last private moment before joining our friends for dinner inside a restaurant. My hand strayed down and grazed the weapon.......I nearly screamed. Fortunately I didn't cause a scene.......there was something covering my mouth, LOL!
As to *running butts".........as intriquing as that sounds..............Princess Crabby does not furnish her own entertainment.
posted by
Maggie on May 30, 2006 2:07 PM
I ain't sayin' a friggin' word...
But this is close enough for me to attend...
posted by
Sgt. B. on May 30, 2006 2:13 PM
Wow. I never would've guessed after nine minutes there would still be no snarkage on a gift like that!
posted by
FbL on May 30, 2006 2:16 PM
I think the Denizens are paralyzed by the veritable plethora of possible snarks. It's hard to choose!
posted by
Bad Cat Robot on May 30, 2006 2:37 PM
BTW - You have a better cahnce of seeing God than you do of you seeing me running in the pits. I have men to do my bidding, doncha know.
posted by
Maggie on May 30, 2006 6:24 PM
Somehow I can't see Maggie running around behind the targets waving her drawers when we miss. Then again, there was apparently a mooning incident that some of us missed out on...
posted by
Barb on May 30, 2006 7:35 PM
*breaks into song*
Mooooooon... Riiiiiverrrrrrrr
posted by Were-Kitten on May 30, 2006 8:53 PM
Again, sadly....to the slow ones on the short bus.......not *mooning*........*flashing*
posted by
Maggie on May 30, 2006 9:34 PM
Hee! It is what *we* say it is, Princess Crabby. One thing about language - it's the one thing the plebs *own*!
posted by
John of Argghhh! on May 30, 2006 9:37 PM
I have no problem with mooning. I'll show you on the next pub crawl......but it is what it is. Some guy from Texas once told me "You can put kittens in the oven.......*dudn't* make 'em biscuits."
Lift shirt, show panties - flash.
Unbutton blouse, show cleavage or more - flash.
Lift skirt, no panties - moon.
Edit to pass NetNany, if necessary.
That is all.
posted by
Maggie on May 30, 2006 10:12 PM
I reckon it's up to me to be the one to explain, being a specialist in literal-mindedness:
Back in the day, before Real Estate Development, people would shoot rifles at very long range, at very long ranges. (like, 1000 yards) You couldn't hear anybody yell from that distance, especially with people shooting, so visual signals were used by the guys at the butts (where the targets were) to let the shooters know how they were doing. (See the movie "Sergeant York") The signal for a clean miss, not even on the paper, was traditionally the waving of a red flag. This was called, in slang, "Maggie's Drawers." I *don't* know how that got started.
posted by
Justthisguy on May 30, 2006 10:44 PM
Justthisguy - There will be answers to many questions at the event. Will you be attending?
posted by
Maggie on May 30, 2006 11:02 PM
Justthisguy - There will be answers to many questions at the event. Will you be attending?
posted by
Maggie on May 30, 2006 11:02 PM
*Sigh!* Prolly not. It seems like it's at the opposite corner of the continent from where I live, and what with the IRS deadline on the estate tax coming up, and my ex-brother suing me, and trying to pack up to sell the house ...
posted by
Justthisguy on May 30, 2006 11:39 PM
Baby! I thought you were singing some country western song..........you need the break from the sound of things!
posted by
Maggie on May 30, 2006 11:47 PM
Oh, and I'm not a milblogger. More of a camp follower. I just came here for the Gun Pr0n, the Armorer was nice to me, so I hung around...
posted by
Justthisguy on May 31, 2006 12:01 AM
I tried the "I am not a milblogger" arguement about DC. I am a diarist. No excuse.
Also, somebody tell BeerGirl what we'll be serving at the PubCrawl.
posted by
Maggie on May 31, 2006 12:03 AM
Can I bring my trebuchet?
posted by
Murray on May 31, 2006 3:03 AM
Murray - the only rules are that there are no rules. You bring your weapon.......I'll bring mine.
posted by
Maggie on May 31, 2006 5:57 AM
Um, Maggie, I didn't *quite* get those definitions.
Is there a film?
posted by
John of Argghhh! on May 31, 2006 6:46 AM
Camp Followers are allowed, JTG.
If you ever escape from your CW song, you'll be welcome.
You'll have to do the laundry, of course, but, we'll draw the line there.
posted by
John of Argghhh! on May 31, 2006 6:48 AM
With milbloggers spread out from here to the commisssary, it would seem to make sense to hold a series of "Regional Shoots" leading up to this.
Or Not.
posted by jim b on May 31, 2006 8:25 AM
Jim B - Does that mean you are not going to Fort Lewis? You can always just come to Boston and see me.
posted by
Maggie on May 31, 2006 9:08 AM
Wake up Maggie I think I got something to say to you
It's late September and I really should be back at school
I know I keep you amused but I feel I'm being used
Oh Maggie I couldn't have tried any more
You lured me away from home just to save you from being alone
You stole my heart and that's what really hurt
posted by jim b on May 31, 2006 10:18 AM
Jim B - A man could do far worse than being used by me! I'll give you back by September, I promise.
posted by
Maggie on May 31, 2006 11:05 AM
Why am I not conforted?
posted by jim b on May 31, 2006 12:26 PM
Baby, weren't you a Marine? Where is your fearlessness? Where is the "improvise, adapt, overcome" attitude?
Why aren't you comforted? Probably because I'm not a comfortable woman.
Come on! Come to Fort Lewis! Consider this a Royal Summons.
Princess Crabby
posted by
Maggie on May 31, 2006 12:36 PM
"Maggie's Drawers" originated from Princess Margaret's own Regiment of Foot, where every missed shot was met with scorn and derision by the other troopers on the line. Being infantrymen, they knew that a pair of ladies' unmentionables would attract the most attention of a unit of liberty-starved soldiers, and thus ensure that the non-shooting fluke in question would be well counselled by his peers...
Our Maggie's drawers, on the other hand, inspired an entire compliment of Milbloggers to cease-fire and retrograde to an alternate position, and thus could be compared to the guidon of a unit, which, as we all know, are hoisted on a pike, and leads the unit to victory (or at least keeps everyone going in the proper direction...)
posted by
Sgt. B. on May 31, 2006 2:26 PM
posted by
John of Argghhh! on May 31, 2006 2:35 PM
SGT. B - Excellent!!!!!!!!! I can not tell you how pleased I am.
Although The Armorer being speechless is great as well.
posted by
Maggie on May 31, 2006 3:45 PM
Well at least when I hit something it stays hit.
posted by
Murray on May 31, 2006 6:58 PM
« Dismissed, Soldier!
Heh. Rome burns, the Congressional Nero fiddles...
Here's one way the services play politics when their Masters fiddle - like going home on break with no budget supplemental. Below are the actions the Army will take in order to stretch it's funds if Congress keeps dilly-dallying on the issue.
The interesting thing is - absent a train wreck as happened early in the first Clinton Administration when the Republicans forced a governmental shut-down, what the delay really does is make it harder to actually debate the budget, as the pressure to get the supplemental in place becomes overwhelming. Of course, depending on how they go about it - it's also then easier to lard it up with pork... because the time crunch makes it harder to knock that stuff out of there. Sausage-making, from slaughter to finished product...
VCSA Sends:
As you are already aware, the Congress did not complete the FY06 Emergency Supplemental prior to leaving for the Memorial Day recess. Although we anticipate that Congress will finish the bill in June, we need to take action now to control spending in the Operation and Maintenance, Army (OMA) appropriation and stay within the law. In addition to an approved reprogramming action that will move $1.4 billion into OMA, we must progressively restrict spending over the next month. This will enable us to maintain the solvency of Army accounts pending receipt of the supplemental and will ensure that available resources are spent on the highest priority missions.
I expect all holders of OMA, to include GWOT funds, to reduce spending while ensuring that life, health and safety issues are covered. The priority is to continue critical support to ongoing operations and to readiness activities for units and personnel identified for the OIF/OEF 06-08 rotation. Exceptions may be made for those actions commands must take now to posture the Army for OIF/OEF 07-09. The following provides time-phased guidance for the minimum action that holders of OMA funds must take.
1. Beginning 26 May:
a. Do not order non-critical spare parts or supplies, unless the organization or unit is deployed or has a published deployment date. Only requisition spare parts to bring equipment to Fully Mission Capable (FMC), not to 10/20, level. For supplies, requisition only what is necessary to accomplish assigned theater missions. All units should draw down on-hand inventories first.
b. CG, Army Materiel Command, must advise of above actions' impacts to the Single Stock Fund and the Army Working Capital Fund. Deliver this assessment to me no later than 6 June.
c. Postpone or cancel all non-essential travel, training and conferences.
Use discretion if cancellation or postponement requires payment of cancellation fees.
d. Stop shipments of goods unless necessary to support deployed forces or units with identified deployment dates. If movement is necessary, restrict the shipment to the least costly method that will not create unacceptable operational risk.
2. Beginning 6 June:
a. Hold all civilian hiring actions. You may continue recruiting efforts but cease all final offers of employment.
b. Postpone summer hires until receipt of the supplemental.
3. Beginning 15 June:
a. Release all temporary civilian employees funded with OMA or performing OMA-funded work. This includes depot operations.
b. Freeze all contract awards and new task orders on existing contracts.
Process solicitation of new contracts only up to the point of award.
c. Suspend the use of government purchase cards.
4. Beginning 26 June:
a. Release service contract employees, to include recruiters, if doing so will not carry penalties or termination costs equal to or in excess of the cost of continuing the contract. You may retain a minimum number of personnel performing mission-essential services.
b. Consult your legal adviser as you implement these actions.
c. TRADOC, M&RA and G-1 must detail no later than this date the series of actions the Army will take beginning in July to trim MILPERS expenditures.
They should include: a cessation in recruiting; deferment of reenlistments; cancellation of all PCS moves; and a promotion freeze.
These are painful actions but they are absolutely necessary in order to continue operations during the month of June. This measured response will provide appropriate controls on our spending of OMA resources and will minimize the impact to our mission. Through your leadership, we will sustain the Global War on Terrorism during this period of constrained spending. We expect the Supplemental eventually will provide the Army more than $36 billion in additional resources to continue the GWOT. Please direct any questions you may have to the Assistant Secretary of the Army (Financial Management and Comptroller).
I will review weekly our accounts and keep each MACOM commander apprised.
GEN Cody
Oh, full disclosure - yeah, *my* tasks will be at risk here, too. Fortunately, I work for a firm that won't just tell me to go home for no pay or burn vacation. The downside to the government is (all snarks aside about whether I'm a bargain or not - "I *am*" he said smugly) is that *if* it comes to that (I'm betting it doesn't) they may not get some of those people back, they having been put to new tasks - which will have downstream ripple and cost effects.
Reporting As Ordered, Sir! »
So, is this the part where congress is deciding not to fund the military in order to stop their ability to stay in Iraq and afghanistan?
Like ye old Vietnam paradigm that everyone keeps talking about but this is the part where congress refuses to authorize funds? (a little early, at least the Vietnam congress waited a few more years).
And, if I read this correctly, the military is saying they will do what is necessary to stay on mission, regardless of what congress does because they are going to keep at what they believe is right?
posted by
kat-missouri on May 30, 2006 3:50 AM
regardless of what congress does because they are going to keep at what they believe is right?
Um, no. They are going to keep at what they are doing because competent authority has not ordered them to do otherwise.
If Congress were to refuse the services authority to spend money on OIF and OEF they would stick DoD on the point of a sharp stick, and generate a governmental crisis between the President and Congress.
posted by
John of Argghhh! on May 30, 2006 3:58 AM
Just to keep the record straight, the repubs did NOT force the government shut down during the first clinton admin. CLINTON caused the "closure" by vetoing the budget bill, knowing his demo buds in congress would not help overide his veto AND that the lying wh***(I admit, that"s showing disrespect to women performing a useful service) in the media would blame the problem on the repubs - which they did.
posted by emdfl on May 30, 2006 5:33 AM
In the case of popular memory, emdfl, your efforts notwithstanding, it's a case of "potayto, potahto."
posted by
John of Argghhh! on May 30, 2006 5:37 AM
Hmmmm. The train wreck happened in March and the derailing continued through April and May, as far as funding a lot of depot-related projects is--uhhhh--*was* concerned.
As they say in parts of eastern Long Island, "p'dayter"...
posted by cw4(ret)billt on May 30, 2006 5:59 AM
So, are you saying that part of the purpose of this memo is political--i.e. put the pressure on congress because "see how bad it's going to be if you don't do this right away?"
posted by
FbL on May 30, 2006 8:57 AM
Yes, though apparently I wasn't that clear...
posted by
John of Argghhh! on May 30, 2006 9:24 AM
crikey's!!!! I'm never going to see me back pay!!
posted by Flip on May 30, 2006 2:21 PM
I dunno, Flip - looks like the Vice is saying, "Fire Donovan, so Flip can have his back pay!"
posted by
John of Argghhh! on May 30, 2006 2:32 PM
First dibs on back pay--they still owe me for a trip to Polk and two to Lewis.
Glad I bagged the gummint rate on the room at the PaperThin Walz™ Motel and didn't splurge by eating *two* meals a day...
posted by cw4(ret)billt on May 30, 2006 7:03 PM
Gee, I hope all of this modderin tecknowlegy with the bar codes and RFIDs, and all, hasn't interfered too much with the traditional tendency of both the supply guys, and the further-forward folks, to squirrel stuff away, off the books, in case of situations like this.
posted by
Justthisguy on May 31, 2006 12:29 AM
Agree to a point, John. More and more I find myself in the "A POX on BOTH their HOUSES" mode. And I also remember how the demos cut off aid to South Vietnam. It's truely a good thing that we don't have a military given to coups...
posted by emdfl on May 31, 2006 6:26 AM
Agree to a point, John. More and more I find myself in the "A POX on BOTH their HOUSES" mode. And I also remember how the demos cut off aid to South Vietnam. It's truely a good thing that we don't have a military given to coups...
posted by emdfl on May 31, 2006 6:27 AM
Oh, ick. Like we'd want to run this place....
Of course, with that, I betray one of the many reasons no stars ever fell on my shoulders.
posted by
John of Argghhh! on May 31, 2006 6:53 AM
« Dismissed, Soldier!
May 29, 2006
A Toast, those of you gathered here at this time and place.
Absent Companions! (sound of glass slapping upside down on the bar, thirteen times). [insert your number here]
Reporting As Ordered, Sir! »
I have not lost a friend to combat, so I have no drink to offer. But I bow my head in quiet salute to the names you are holding in memory today.
posted by
FbL on May 29, 2006 7:42 PM
(hope that wasn't intruding)
posted by
FbL on May 29, 2006 7:42 PM
Well, I *did* post it publicly... so some spectators were *inevitable*... 8^D
posted by
John of Argghhh! on May 29, 2006 7:57 PM
SGT George Bain USMC died 1996 (Grandfather)
CW3 Charles Irvin Stanley died 1946 (Great Uncle)
SP4 Virgil Stanley Jr died 1967 (Cousin)
PFC Jackie Shirl Underwood died 1968 (Cousin)
CPT Reginald Underwood died 1991 (Cousin)
With a blade twixt ourn teeth
and blood in ourn throat
die on the field
fighting another war
and Irish
(Family coat of Arms, translated)
posted by
BloodSpite on May 29, 2006 8:20 PM
SFC David Salie, B Co. 2/69AR feb05 Baqubah
Sgt Matthew Bohling, A Co. 2/69AR sep05 Ramadi
SSG Jason Benford, A Co. 2/69AR sep05 Ramadi
SSG Vincent Summers, A Co. 2/69AR oct05 Ramadi
SPC Tommy Byrd, A Co. 2/69AR oct05 Ramadi
SPC Timothy Watkins, A Co. 2/69AR oct05 Ramadi
SPC Jeffrey Corban, A Co. 2/69AR oct05 Ramadi
SPC Richard Harding A Co. 2/69AR oct05 Ramadi
posted by
Some Soldier's Mom on May 29, 2006 9:50 PM
I have been fortunate, in that I have lost no friends in combat.
I will, however, raise a glass twice, for Anthony Shine, LTC USAF, and Jonathan Shine, 1LT USA, both lost in Vietnam, the brothers of a man whom I deeply admire, Alexander Shine, COL USA (ret), who was himself wounded in Vietnam. I have known few men as good as he, and none better.
posted by
Russ on May 29, 2006 9:56 PM
I've not lost any close to me in war, but remembered today the willing service of my father in WWII, and grandfather in WWI, as well as my brother and several uncles, who all wore uniforms without having to face an armed foe.
I also thought of Sgt Adam Cann, USMC, who I will know only through the memories of another Marine. I thought of Lt. Leonard Cowherd, and others memorialized here and elsewhere around the 'sphere, and gave thanks that I am privileged to live under the blanket of freedom because of all of them.
posted by
Barb on May 29, 2006 11:20 PM
The following members of my company died on 26 Feb 91 at the As Salman Airfield, Iraq.
CPT Mario Fajardo, A/27 En Bn GWI
2LT Terry Plunk, A/27 En Bn GWI
SFC Russell Smith, A/27 En Bn GWI
SSG Michael Harris, A/27 En Bn GWI
SGT Brian Scott, A/27 En Bn GWI
SPC Luis Degado, TDY Attached to A/27 En Bn from 7th ID,GWI
SPC Timothy Hill, A/27 En Bn GWI
Absent Comrades!
posted by Sapper Mike on May 30, 2006 1:24 AM
To Absent Comrades who fell in a small country that no longer exists. The neighbors said we bought them ten years to prepare for the onslaught they knew was coming, and they used the time well.
Sometimes, the dominoes refuse to fall.
posted by cw4(ret)billt on May 30, 2006 1:46 AM
Woodfork, PFC. USMC
Molino, T.J., SSGT. USMC
Seigfreid, E., PFC. USMC
Benson, W.L., RAdm. USN
and All Our Absent Comrades...
I'll see you on the Green... Someday...
Semper Fidelis.
posted by
Sgt. B. on May 30, 2006 2:21 PM
Raising a cold one for my heroes:
SGM Frederick W. Dalton Jr., USA,WWI
LtCol Frederick W. Dalton III, USAAC/USAF, WWII, Korea, Viet Nam
Grampa, Dad, you two left some big boots to fill, but I'm tryin'!
SFC Frederick W. Dalton IV
posted by SFC D on May 30, 2006 8:01 PM
« Dismissed, Soldier!
Memorial Day 2006 - Taking Back the Holiday.

I don't mind the sales. Commerce built this country. I don't mind "Going to the Lake" - having fun with family and friends makes life worth living. And this day is about having a life worth living.
And I know that most of us (though not perhaps those who read this space) have no memory of a loved one lost in war. Many of the younger of us don't remember or never knew a relative who served in time of war.
Have a good time. That's the point.
By living your life, planning your future, you redeem the voucher that those who have answered the Last Call for the last time bought for you.
Their service was *all* about the Capital F Future.
Just by living our lives, and taking an interest in what goes on around us, we pay that debt. We can pay it ahead by keeping an eye on those who commit us to war. And recognizing that avoidance for avoidance's sake is as bad in its way as rushing headlong and blindly into battle. Truly, in this arena, the answer lies in the middle, not at the extremes.
But.
BUT...

Whatever else you do with your free day - Remember Them. It only takes a moment. But Remember. They are not truly gone until we forget.
For some of us, the true meaning of this holiday doesn't come into focus until...
We Hear The Knock.
Attend The Funeral.
And Bury Our Dead.
This is why today is Memorial Day.
Click here - and Remember.
Crossposted at Milblogs and Smash's.
Reporting As Ordered, Sir! »
First, thank you for the posts about LT Cowherd.
Second, we will be at the ceremonies this afternoon in Leavenworth.
Third, sorry about the multiple trackbacks. Looks like haloscan lost it's mind a few times this morning.
posted by
kat-missouri on May 29, 2006 8:05 AM
Looks like haloscan lost it's mind a few times this morning.
Nope. Sometimes even the inanimate Remember...
posted by cw4(ret)billt on May 29, 2006 8:52 AM
It is foolish and wrong to mourn the men who died. Rather we should thank God that such men lived.
General GEORGE S. PATTON, JR.,
posted by Flip on May 29, 2006 11:23 AM
If you would like to read something more about LT Cowherd:
http://www.west-point.org/users/usma2003/59609/
posted by
Chipper on May 29, 2006 11:55 AM
Excellent post.
Too often people seem to forget what this day is about. To them it's just beer and BBQ.
A Moment Of Silence
posted by
Joatmoaf on May 29, 2006 1:48 PM
Excellent post.
Too often people seem to forget what this day is about. To them it's just beer and BBQ.
A Moment Of Silence
posted by
Joatmoaf on May 29, 2006 1:48 PM
My thanks to my Pop, SSgt WWII, my Uncle Jerry Sgt USA WWII, my father-in-law Tom still living USA WWII, and Grandad Al USA WWI.
Godspeed to my son David in basic training US Army, and my son-in-law SSgt Pete Army National Guard on the way to the Sandbox.
From the lone former Marine in the crowd, Semper Fi
posted by jim b on May 30, 2006 10:28 AM
Oh my bad almost forgot my son-is-law Jim former USAF. Does the USAF count as a branch of the military?
:-)
posted by jim b on May 30, 2006 10:32 AM
My new womanfriend (She who WANTS to be obeyed) asked me why I was so quiet yesterday while watching the specials on tv yesterday, I will explain it to her someday.
posted by
Jon The Mechanic on May 30, 2006 1:51 PM
« Dismissed, Soldier!
by
John
on
May 29, 2006
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Something for the Soul
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The Middle Ground links with:
Why Memorial Day Matters
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BLACKFIVE links with:
Memorial Day - Round Ups
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The Indepundit links with:
Remember
»
TacJammer links with:
Memory - 2006
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Blue Star Chronicles links with:
Memorial Day 2006
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Remember
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The Indepundit links with:
Remember
Speaking of "Taking Back The Day"...
...we're doing better today than in Tommy Atkins' day.
*sentence purposely left vague -- there are levels and there are levelers...*
TOMMY
I went into a public-'ouse to get a pint o' beer,
The publican 'e up an' sez, "We serve no red-coats here."
The girls be'ind the bar they laughed an' giggled fit to die,
I outs into the street again an' to myself sez I:
~
"O it's "Tommy this," an' "Tommy that," an' "Tommy, go away,"
But it's "Thank you, Mister Atkins," when the band begins to play,
The band begins to play, my boys, the band begins to play,
O it's "Thank you, Mister Atkins," when the band begins to play.
~
I went into a theatre as sober as could be,
They gave a drunk civilian room, but 'adn't none for me;
They sent me to the gallery or round the music-'alls,
But when it comes to fightin', Lord! they'll shove me in the stalls!
~
For it's "Tommy this," an' "Tommy that," an' "Tommy, wait outside,"
But it's "Special train for Atkins!" when the trooper's on the tide,
The troopship's on the tide, my boys, the troopship's on the tide,
O it's "Special train for Atkins!" when the trooper's on the tide.
~
Yes, makin' mock o' uniforms that guard you while you sleep
Is cheaper than them uniforms, an' they're starvation cheap;
An' hustlin' drunken soldiers when they're goin' large a bit
Is five times better business than paradin' in full kit.
~
Then it's "Tommy this," an' "Tommy that," an' "Tommy, 'ow's yer soul?"
But it's "Thin red line of 'eroes" when the drums begin to roll,
The drums begin to roll, my boys, the drums begin to roll,
O it's "Thin red line of 'eroes" when the drums begin to roll.
~
We aren't no thin red 'eroes, nor we aren't no blackguards too,
But single men in barricks, most remarkable like you;
An' if sometimes our conduck isn't all your fancy paints:
Why, single men in barricks don't grow into plaster saints.
~
While it's "Tommy this," an' "Tommy that," an' "Tommy, fall be'ind,"
But it's "Please to walk in front, sir," when there's trouble in the wind,
There's trouble in the wind, my boys, there's trouble in the wind,
O it's "Please to walk in front, sir," when there's trouble in the wind.
~
You talk o' better food for us, an' schools, an' fires, an' all:
We'll wait for extry rations if you treat us rational.
Don't mess about the cook-room slops, but prove it to our face.
The Widow's Uniform is not the soldier-man's disgrace.
~
For it's "Tommy this," an' "Tommy that," an' "Chuck him out, the brute!"
But it's "Savior of 'is country," when the guns begin to shoot;
An' it's "Tommy this," an' "Tommy that," an' anything you please;
But Tommy ain't a bloomin' fool -- you bet that Tommy sees!
-- Rudyard Kipling
Reporting As Ordered, Sir! »
That one is one of my favorites, too. It's nice to get some respect.
Chief, was he quoting you when he wrote this?
In the Neolithic Age savage warfare did I wage
For food and fame and wooly horses' pelt.
I was singer to my clan in that dim, red Dawn of Man,
And I sang of all we fought and feared and felt....
posted by
Justthisguy on May 29, 2006 8:19 PM
Rudy changed a few words. It wasn't the wooly horses' pelts we were after, it was the chicks who were riding them.
And no, they weren't wooly.
Except in--ummmm--well, bikini waxing hadn't been invented yet, y'know...
posted by cw4(ret)billt on May 30, 2006 1:55 AM
Only because you took so long to invent the bikini, slacker!
posted by
John of Argghhh! on May 30, 2006 2:12 AM
Only because you took so long to invent the bikini, slacker!
Hadn't invented Ladies' Clothing yet, either. How *else* do ya figger we knew it was wooly there?
posted by cw4(ret)billt on May 30, 2006 6:07 AM
« Dismissed, Soldier!
Remember
Someone else to remember today... those sometimes lonely figures walking alone in the Gardens of Stone, careworn and wistful.
GOLD STAR MOTHER
By Keo R. Gathman
As she stands beside his grave
On yet another Memorial Day,
She remembers the boy she sent away
And how he became the man resting here today.
His heroes didn't become famous playing ball.
In fact most of their names were never well known at all.
They went to work wearing camouflage green and desert brown,
Earning their reputation as the toughest warriors around.
When he first saw them in dress blues
The heart within her little boy knew,
That nothing short of becoming one of them would do.
Time all too quickly passed by
As childhood things were put aside,
And his heart's desire would not be denied.
"I love you mom" he said one day
"But the time has come for me to go away",
And she knew his decision she couldn't sway.
Through tears she tried so hard to keep inside
She told her baby boy goodbye.
Writing him letters nearly every day
She often took the time to pray,
"Lord be with my boy today".
"Help him clearly see the man I know that he can be,
Grant him his most cherished dream,
Let him come home, a United States Marine."
When the time came for him to go to war
She feared as she had never feared before,
Prayed there would be no knock on her front door.
They came that day dressed in their blues
And though in her heart she already knew,
She cried out "No, it can't be true."
The man child she had sent away
Was at last coming home to stay.
He never doubted what they did was right,
And he never wavered in the fight.
Forever and always as in his childhood dreams,
Her boy remains a United States Marine.
Copyright 2006 Keo R. Gathman, used with permission. Permission is granted to send this to others, with attribution, but not for commercial purposes.
Keo herself is a former Marine, the sister of a soldier killed in Viet Nam ('70), and her son is currently in the Army.
May 29, 1944.
Continuing the theme... today we Remember.
May 29, 2006. Imagine you are going to Fort Rucker, Alabama, home of Army Aviation. You enter the installation from Dalesville on Fannie Morris Drive heading north. Right after you enter the fort, turn left on Headquarters Road, then make the first right onto Andrews Ave, heading north again. As you pass the barracks and ball fields, keep an eye to your right, passing the numbered roads counting down until you hit 9th, where the Physical Fitness Center is. Turn left again, going west. 9th quickly turns into Red Cloud Road and heads into post housing. When you cross Farrell Road (easy to tell, there's woods off there catty-corner to your right and the duplexes are now facing the road) slow down a bit - you're taking the next right, onto Galt Lane. 28 families live on Galt Lane, Fort Rucker, Alabama. I wonder how many of them know how it got it's name?
To answer that question, let's go back to Italy, 1944, and see what the soldiers of the 34th Infantry Division were doing that day. In particular, this soldier.
Meet Captain William Galt, via his cousin, Castle reader Chris Lock:
There is much more, but I will keep it relatively brief. He was born 19 December 1919 in Geyser, Montana. He was commissioned as a 2nd Lieutenant, Infantry, through the Army ROTC program upon graduation from Montana State in the Spring of '42.
He was assigned to A/1/168 Infantry, 34th "Red Bull" Infantry Division. He fought in North Africa and Italy and was awarded the Silver Star for action he took during the 3rd Volturno Crossing:
1. Under the provisions of Army Regulations 600-45, as amended, a Silver Star is awarded to each of the following named individuals:
**************************************************************
William W. Galt, 0446805, First Lieutenant, Company "A" 168th Infantry Regiment. For gallantry in action on 4 November 1943, in the vicinity of Roccaravindola, Italy. During the night attack Company "A" was the assault company of the First Battalion. Within a short time after the battalion had crossed the Volturno River, the head of the column was delayed by the heavy concentration of mines in their sector. Upon his own initiative and with utter disregard for his own personal safety, Lt. Galt advanced on his hands and knees through the mined area and selected a comparatively safe route to the objective. Lt. Galt’s courageous action enabled the battalion to advance through this mined sector with a minimum number of casualties. The devotion to leadership of Lt. Galt, in the face of grave danger was a credit to the Armed Forces of the United States. Residence at time of induction: Great Falls, Montana
By command of Major General Crane:
//SIGNED//
Norman E. Hendrickson,
Colonel, GSC,
Chief of Staff
Official:
Les M. White,
Lt. Col., AGD.,
Adjutant General
He was promoted to Captain and commanded Able Company [168th Infantry] in the Anzio Beachhead. He was posted to the 1/168th Infantry S-3 position after the Anzio Beachhead (he was in a bad way physically due to his previous wounds which had not healed completely). He was in the midst of some brutal combat throughout his career, culminating in his being at Villa Crocetta on 29 May, 1944. At Villa Crocetta his actions led to the relief of 2 companies of 2/168 that were pinned down, outflanked and were being shot to pieces.
He was awarded the Purple Heart 3 times prior to being KIA, being wounded at the 1st and 3rd Volturno River Crossings(See the Silver Star Commendation), and a 3rd time at Cervaro, Italy.
Because the 3rd time he was wounded required 3 weeks in the hospital (I understand it should have been much longer but he somehow got himself discharged and returned to duty), he was not present for most of the Battle of Monte Cassino. He was in combat in the battles at Sened Station, Kasserine Pass, Fondouk, Hill 609 and Eddekhila in North Africa and at the 1st and 3rd Volturno River Crossings, Push to the Rapido River, Cervaro, Anzio Beachhead and the Anzio Breakout, which led to Villa Crocetta in Italy.
Bill Galt was a very popular, well loved man. He was tough as nails, physically as well as mentally. He was a great soldier and a great leader. His men revered him and he is bigger than life to me. It is only fitting that this year's anniversary of his being killed falls on Memorial Day. He was 24 years old.
Things had been moving slowly in Italy. The soft underbelly of the Axis wasn't so soft with all those damn Germans there... The Allies had just tried an end run around the Germans (something MacArthur would do much more successfully 6 years later at Inchon) at Anzio. The 34th, already in Italy, was given the mission of trying to force the Rapido River north of the Abbey of Monte Cassino, the 36th Infantry having just been pummeled to flinders trying to force the river south of the monastery. The intent was turning the Gustav Line and avoiding a fight for the mountain altogether. That was not to be. Just an illustrative passage from the Division History:
Throughout this entire period, it must be borne in mind, every box of rations, every can of water, every round of ammunition which the infantry used had to be brought up across terrain which was under direct observation from hills still in enemy hands. The Germans, fully aware of this, laid down accurate and continuous fire upon all critical points and especially on the river crossings. Traffic control by the Division Military Police reduced congestion, but within a few days the stench of decaying mule carcasses, the litter of overturned vehicles, abandoned shell-cases and disabled tanks made a scene of modern war which will not be forgotten by any who saw it. On the mountains the battle remained stubborn and progress was slow. Casualties to both sides were very heavy, especially because the fanatical German paratroopers launched frenzied counter-attacks in an attempt to drive us back to the valley. Our ranks became thinner and the problems of evacuating casualties down the treacherous mountain trails and across the shell-swept approaches to the position were very serious. Volunteers came from the service and rear units of the Division to help out.
By the end of 12 February a platoon had succeeded in reaching the outer walls of the Abbey, and capturing prisoners from a cave on Monastery Hill. It was impossible for the platoon to remain, however, and they withdrew. The Germans throughout the operation took full advantage of the fact that the Allies had undertaken not to fire at the Abbey in view of its importance to the world as a religious institution. The relative immunity which the enemy obtained for his observation can hardly be overestimated.
On 14 February elements of the British 4th Indian Division took over positions held by the 135th and 168th Infantry Regiments on Hill 593 and on the other hills overlooking Cassino. Some of our men had stuck it out so long and had suffered so much that they had to be lifted bodily out of their holes. The sadly depleted Regiments went to S. Angelo d'Alife for rest.
[an aside applicable to today's alarums and excursions - how many casualties did we suffer because we *didn't* bomb or attack the Monastery? Answer - impossible to calculate, but a lot. When we *did* finally bomb and attack it... the Usual Suspects got peeved about it, and periodically bring it up still. Even back in the day, no one bitched nearly as loudly about the Germans using the monastery (which makes it a legitimate target and puts the onus for opprobrium on the shoulders of the Germans, according to the much-cherished, selectively read, Conventions.]
After a few weeks of rest and receiving replacements (and nowhere near enough time to properly integrate the new soldiers into the units), the 34th was embarked for the tiny Anzio beachhead, where they relieved the 3rd Infantry Division in the line. The division learned what it was like to live in a bowl, where the enemy had the high ground and was looking down on you. Something the French Foreign Legion and Paras would discover at Dien Bien Phu - except they didn't have the sea for an exit route. No matter, 5th Army did not intend to use that exit - rather, they intended to create their own.
Joining with the legendary 1st Armored Division and the soldiers of the US/Canadian Special Service Force, the 34th Division smashed through the German 362nd Infantry Division and started pushing their way towards Rome.
We're interested in this bit from the Division History:
The 168th Infantry moved to the west, the 133rd Infantry, returning from its foray, moved up to the left of the 168th, and both Regiments formed up for a concerted push to the northwest. On 25 May the 135th Infantry, relieved of attachment to the Armored Division after a magnificent performance, moved into 34th Division reserve. At dawn on 26 May our troops made rapid progress which continued until late on 27 May when stiff enemy resistance was met along a line approximately 1000 yards short of the railroad between Lanuvio and Velletri. It had long been known that the Germans had prepared a strong defense line in this area. Bunkers and mortar positions had been dug into the north face of the railway embankment while machine gun and rifle emplacements were hastily completed by the retreating German troops as they occupied their defenses. Further, the village of Villa Crocetta had been turned into a fortress containing over a battalion of infantry, reinforced with tanks and self-propelled guns.
That's what the Division History says.
What it doesn't mention is this:

(Painting courtesy the Congressional Medal of Honor Society)
Rank and organization: Captain, U.S. Army, 168th Infantry, 34th Infantry Division.
Place and date: At Villa Crocetta, Italy, 29 May 1944.
Entered service at: Stanford, Mont.
Birth: Geyser, Mont.
Citation: For conspicuous gallantry and intrepidity above and beyond the call of duty. Capt. Galt, Battalion S3, at a particularly critical period following 2 unsuccessful attacks by his battalion, of his own volition went forward and ascertained just how critical the situation was. He volunteered, at the risk of his life, personally to lead the battalion against the objective. When the lone remaining tank destroyer refused to go forward, Capt. Galt jumped on the tank destroyer and ordered it to precede the attack. As the tank destroyer moved forward, followed by a company of riflemen, Capt. Galt manned the .30-caliber machinegun in the turret of the tank destroyer, located and directed fire on an enemy 77mm. anti-tank gun, and destroyed it. Nearing the enemy positions, Capt. Galt stood fully exposed in the turret, ceaselessly firing his machinegun and tossing hand grenades into the enemy zigzag series of trenches despite the hail of sniper and machinegun bullets ricocheting off the tank destroyer. As the tank destroyer moved, Capt. Galt so maneuvered it that 40 of the enemy were trapped in one trench. When they refused to surrender, Capt. Galt pressed the trigger of the machinegun and dispatched every one of them. A few minutes later an 88mm shell struck the tank destroyer and Capt. Galt fell mortally wounded across his machinegun. He had personally killed 40 Germans and wounded many more. Capt. Galt pitted his judgment and superb courage against overwhelming odds, exemplifying the highest measure of devotion to his country and the finest traditions of the U.S. Army.
Why does it perhaps not mention it? Perhaps because despite the effort -
The Germans in the face of our fierce attack succeeded in maintaining their positions. We committed the 135th Infantry from reserve to the left flank of the Division. Even the 109th Engineer Battalion was sent into the line as infantry. Nothing was held back. Rome was the goal - all or nothing. Finally on 2 June, with the town of Velletri captured and his line in danger of encirclement, the enemy suddenly gave way. His units, patched-up remnants of the troops who had borne the shock of the breakout from the beachhead, had fought surprisingly well. The German High Command had used every effort to bolster them with replacements from the butchers, bakers, tinkers, and tailors of rear area units.
And finally, because of the efforts of men like Captain William Galt and others, on 6 June, 1944, Rome fell. An event rather overshadowed by other events on the continent of Europe that day.
Captain William Galt - someone you should know - and today, Remember.
And if you live on Galt Lane, Fort Rucker, Alabama - now you know why your street has the name it does.
Crossposted at Milblogs and Smash's.
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On Shooting at Religious Buildings
"Perhaps my family's most outstanding military feat was a German uncle's; he had been dug out at the age of forty-five as a lieutenant in the Bavarian artillery. My brother John and I met him a year or two ago, and happened to mention a coming visit to Rheims. My uncle nudged him: "Have a look at the cathedral. One day, during the War, my divisional general called for me. "Gunner-Lieutenant von Ranke, I understand that you are a Lutheran, not a Roman Catholic?" I admitted this was so. Then he said: "I have a very disagreeable service for you to perform, Lieutenant. Those misbegotten French are using the cathedral for an observation post. They think they can get away with it because it's Rheims Cathedral, but they have our trenches taped from there. I call upon you to dislodge them." I fired only two rounds, and down came the pinnacle and the Frenchmen with it. A very neat bit of shooting. I felt proud to have limited the damage like that. Really, you must take a look at it." "
from "Good-Bye To All That" by Robert von Ranke Graves, ppg 68 and 69 of the paperback edition, Anchor Books (Doubleday)
Turnabout's fair play, ya reckon?
posted by
Justthisguy on May 29, 2006 10:07 PM
Let me clarify, please. My post above may seem a bit off-topic and flippant, but as John pointed out, word of Captain Galt's sacrifice was somewhat covered by news of the difficulties then and there, among them real or purported observation from the monastery.
posted by
Justthisguy on May 29, 2006 10:21 PM
Sometimes, the tit-for-tat nature of all things commentational on the 'net just gets annoying...
posted by
John of Argghhh! on May 30, 2006 2:10 AM
Ironic that the Germans hadn't occupied the Abbey itself, but had fortified Monastery Hill so strongly that the Abbey was the linch pin in their defenses.
And, of course, after the bombing, the 1st Parachute Infantry moved in and fortified the rubble. Including the cemetery...
posted by cw4(ret)billt on May 30, 2006 2:17 AM
Sorry, JoA, you know how my mind works, I did not intend any offense. I was inspired to chase links to the place the painting came from. Having looked there, I am amazed that anybody got a MoH non-posthumously. I mean, survival was unlikely in those situations.
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Justthisguy on May 30, 2006 2:34 AM
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THINGS YOU DIDN'T DO
A long while back, one of my fellow Viet Vets e-mailed a poem to me. The author was listed as “Unknown,” but I supposed it to have been written by someone's wife or fiancée.
It grated a nerve, then latched on to it. It slid into a quiet corner of memory and, at no particular time and for no paricular reason, it would reappear.
Over the years, I’d seen it on some Viet-Vet sites and a couple of grief-therapy sites--each time, the author was listed as “Unknown.” And I found it on a floppy in 2001--I'd evidently saved it as a text file about ten years ago and then tucked it away for safekeeping.
Finally, last year, I did some poking around, wondering if I could find the author.
I did. It was written by a gentleman named John Gordoski--not quite who I’d supposed it to be...
Things You Didn’t Do
Remember the day I borrowed your brand new car and I dented it? I thought you'd kill me.
But you didn't.
And remember the time I dragged you to the beach, and you said it would rain, and it did? I thought you'd say, "I told you so."
But you didn't.
Do you remember the time I flirted with all the guys to make you jealous, and you were? I thought you'd leave me.
But you didn't.
Do you remember the time I spilled strawberry pie all over your car rug? I thought you'd hit me.
But you didn't.
And remember the time I forgot to tell you the dance was formal and you showed up in jeans? I thought you'd drop me.
But you didn't.
Yes, there were lots of things you didn't do, but you put up with me, and you loved me, and you protected me. There were lots of things I wanted to make up to you when you returned from Viet Nam.
But you didn't.
I also found someone you should meet: Captain Robert D. Kent, USMC.
Read the epilogue, the comments from family, from friends and from one who just met him in passing.
Read them carefully...
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Thank you, thank you very much, for keeping and sharing this.
posted by Rod Thorsen on May 29, 2006 1:40 AM
Bill,
Before I even got to the bottom of this post, I knew it was your post.
I know you have lost a lot of friends over the years- some during the wars, some not. None are easy.
I hope you know that we all love ya, SugarButtons.
(Just wanted to make sure you knew that... "in case you didn't")
posted by AFSister on May 29, 2006 10:29 PM
(Just wanted to make sure you knew that... "in case you didn't")
Heh. Like you'd ever let me *forget*, kiddo?
posted by cw4(ret)billt on May 30, 2006 2:21 AM
We never forget and every time we see the VFW out in force collecting for our guys, we drop a few bucks in the kitty, shake their hands and ask them about their time, and thank them for their service.
Just the other day the Engineer got an invite to join the VFW.
Yesterday was a thanksgiving of sorts. As we had our morning devotions, we thanked our God for not only being able to live in America, but for the men and women who helped in times past and in present moments to keep us free.
Thank you again.
And billt, I just wuv our ickle Commander Sugar Buttons!
posted by Cricket on May 30, 2006 10:20 AM
And billt, I just wuv our ickle Commander Sugar Buttons!
Careful, Cricket--Lex and the 'Phibian will start whining that you hijacked a Squid Rank. You'll have to spend half the night passing 'em hankies so's they can dwy they wittew eyes...
posted by cw4(ret)billt on May 30, 2006 7:27 PM
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Memorial Day 2006 - The Burial
[Editor's note: This tale of the impact on two families of the death of a soldier began here with The Notification, continued here The Funeral, and will conclude here tomorrow.

"First Sergeant, Call the Roll."
"Lieutenant Cowherd, Leonard..."
"Lieutenant Cowherd, Leonard..."
"Lieutenant Cowherd, Leonard..."
"First Sergeant, let Lieutenant Cowherd's name be stricken from the roll."
Play this as you read. Amazing Grace
The Firing Detail Sergeant gives the command...
Seven rifles crack! in unison... once... twice... three times, echoed back from the trees on a misty morning at Arlington National Cemetery.
Tony picks up the tale in the Flast Traffic/Extended Entry.
Flash Traffic (extended entry) Follows... »
All,
Before all that is to follow, I want to thank the Agnew's for hosting a gathering after the Arlington ceremony. They are the parents of Charles', Leonard's twin, roommate from VMI. This was 'just' the thing; you can't put that many high-energy young people together without laughter and good memories finding a way to the surface. This gathering was vital to lifting spirits and providing a steam valve for emotions. At the end - the young ones stuffed the 'old folk' in one limo headed back to Culpeper while they went out in another to find some adventure.
As it should be. Thank you for opening your home and your hospitality.
I now have to apologize to all of you who attended the Arlington ceremony. We know this wasn't a trivial thing for you to accomplish. We are sad that we couldn't visit and thank you personally. I now know that an Arlington internment is one of being 'whisked' - here and there and it all makes sense but... So many friends and we didn't get to say hello rightly. Thank you. Your presence and support meant more than you'll ever know; to Sarah, to the Cowherd's, to the Cerri's, and to veterans everywhere.
And what to say of the ceremony itself?
We left Culpeper with a motorcycle escort and through every county and interstate we were handed off to the next jurisdiction's protection. At points there were up to 6 motorcycles and police cars guiding us through the various turns and road nuances. The coordination and dedication to make this possible were not lost on us. At the end, the motorcycle police managed to array themselves at the entrance to Arlington with a standing salute to Leonard. We never had the chance to meet, know, or thank them... They just honored him.
Of Arlington?
An old friend who lovingly...sadly opens his door for what must come. Arlington is America's memory of what makes the nation. Other memorials on the mall are wonderful and meaningful - but Arlington is not only for us...it is of us. Generations have made this place part of the national fabric. Rich man, poor man. General, private. Lifer, conscript. All services, all heritages. Men and women who gave the full measure; honored in perpetuity.
There are no surprises at Arlington. Everything is as manicured and as perfect as nature can be made. Acres and acres of military order. Simple. Dignified. Elegant. As long as there is Arlington, there will be America.
Pulling in we were momentarily amongst the tourists. And they were not interruption - they were purpose. I too have been on the outside looking in. Now, with roles reversed, I was thankful to see those throngs coming to learn and experience and teach. I saw more than one parent pull their child aside to point and whisper a lesson of our country. I saw many stop and put their hands over their heart as we passed; simple, dignified, elegant.
The day was early-Summer, Southern gem. Hot but not stifling. Blue sky with wispy white. And the cicadas? Strangely appropriate. For you in other parts of the country, they are big but gentle things. I doubt anyone who attended didn't have at least one land on them at some point in the day. And the sound? A distant jet on the runway waiting to take off. A constant whine. And it was good...nature carrying on. And Leonard would have been fascinated and investigating.
And the ceremony?
These words, my feelings, are insignificant to describe the wash of emotion in all of this.
As the hearse door opened I placed my hands upon my daughters shoulders... and I felt her shudder. MG Blount holding her to the left, Charles to the right, her mother, her brother, and I to her rear. The Cowherd's a part of the single family we've all become.
The Old Guard does not make mistakes. The wooden casket came off the hearse rails with precision and practiced timing.
There were 12 chairs under the small awning erected beside the grave site; just enough seats and space for immediate family. Sarah to the right-front in her black dress. Again, her mother and I found ourselves directly behind. My son to my right shoulder and the hundreds of family and friends closed in around us. It is hard to imagine intimacy in all of this, but it was there. There were quiet and peace in that little circle amidst the vast openness of Arlington.
Have you heard Amazing Grace on bag pipe? If that little bag of wind was put on earth for no other reason than to play this one song - it would still have a place amongst all the wonderful instruments the world has ever known. And the kilted-piper didn't end his song, he just turned and walked away...till the strains faded in the cicada whine.

The prayers offered by the family minister were perfect; a soldier's prayer born of powder, honor, and hope.
The 21 guns were three, crisp firings of seven. Again, the Old Guard does not make mistakes. However, a moment to speak of those guns. Like Leonard, I am a West Pointer. Like Leonard, I religiously counted guns whenever a dignitary arrived at school. 21 reports signified a visitor with enough importance to grant the Corps amnesty for all the various troubles and peccadilloes cadets seem to manage. West Point has a lot of visitors and a lot of cannon fire but rarely 21. 18 - "peon." 20 - "oh good Lord, another wanna be." and so on.
And on this day, on this sacred ground, 21 guns were fired to honor 2LT Cowherd.

Taps... An American will always struggle during Taps. While surely a
harbinger for many, it is our heroes we cry for. Not of sadness per se - of loss. How to measure against their lives? How to reconcile against their sacrifice? How to deal with what it takes to keep America? Simple, dignified, elegant...
The flag was creased, folded, and lovingly presented to my daughter.

She understands its meaning. It currently rests in an oak case with the Army seal. It will have a place of honor always. Leonard's mother and brother each received one as well.
Stand a little stiller during your next National Anthem. That song and that flag are paid for.
And my daughter?
Leonard's wife...my Kiddo. Leonard was her everything and she is his honor.
We all have our moments, Sarah more.
I'll offer historic perspective that seems most appropriate. Stephen Pressfield recreates the words of Greek king to the families of the 300 Spartans:
"When the battle is over, when the 300 have gone..., then will Greece look to the Spartans, to see how they bear it. But who ladies, who will the Spartans look to? To you. To you and the other wives and mothers, sisters and daughters of the fallen. If they behold your hearts riven with grief, they too will break. And Greece will break with them. But if you bear up, then Sparta will stand and all Greece will stand behind her. Why have I nominated your men and you to bear up beneath this most terrible of trials, you and your sisters of the three hundred? Because you can."
If these words ring true, then look to my daughter, Leonard's mother, my wife, and all the rest of the families' members. They are bearing up. America stands strong and proud. In Sarah's love, she has found an open heart for friends and a strength of belief that will carry her through.
Sarah's future is now at hand. I know there is a large community waiting to see... wanting proof in their faith that families are cared for. Believe. Army, VA, AER, TAPS, AFSC, Social Security and a bunch of other acronyms have checked into the net offering help both immediate and long-term. The years ahead are waiting and will write their own story. For now, no one could ask anything else.
To all of you that have been part of this thread - its been a way to keep you up to date and answer questions we know you have. I grabbed your names that first night because you needed to know or I knew you would want to know. Others have joined along the way as arrangements and details fell into place. As I tap these last words on this Memorial Day - I hope you haven't minded one man's view into what the day is all about.
Thank you for cards, and flowers, and prayers, and visits, and trips, and food, and errands, and arrangements, and condolences...and for holding our hand. You friends around the world have truly helped.
Our sails are filling with wind again and we'll all be back to work tomorrow. We know there will be awkward moments. Don't worry. Believe us...we understand. We'll all get through it. It's OK.
30
T
Tony Cerri
Now is the time at Castle Argghhh! when we dance. In Memoriam.

Time to rest, in the Garden of Stone.
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thank you for that
posted by crittenden on May 28, 2006 10:51 PM
As a vetran and member of the American Legion, I have spent the day with other veterans traveling to different cemetaries in our county giving the 21 gun salute to the veterans who gave their all. Tomorrow we will do it again in front of the county courthouse. This year it takes on even more meaning than usual as I think of Lt. Cowherd and the sacrifice he has given. It is an honor to pay tribute to those who have sacrificed everything to keep this country free. There is'nt much else we can say than thank you!!
posted by
Tim on May 28, 2006 11:06 PM
I'm speechless ....
posted by
beth on May 29, 2006 12:42 AM
thank you
posted by
another young usmc widow on May 29, 2006 2:47 AM
Thank you so much for sharing this. As any who reads this, I will remember. God bless you and your family.
posted by Lori, Williamsburg VA on May 29, 2006 1:25 PM
That was beautiful and the bagpipes made it special. Thank you.
posted by dawnsblood on May 29, 2006 2:10 PM
"Live by the sword, die by the sword."
posted by
Steve on May 29, 2006 3:12 PM
So that people like Steve can drop by, lay out pious platitudes in sophomoric fashion, and then leave.
Yet they are twitterpates who probably believe that Kosovo and Bosnia were okay wars, and perhaps even Afghanistan, but that somehow, soldiers should pick and choose which orders they will obey.
As long as they obey the ones Steve approves of, and refuse to obey ones Steve doesn't like.
I can't help but think that, because a true Pacifist after the Quaker fashion, wouldn't come and do that to a memorial post.
But we'll still do the dirty work Steve, in your name or not.
posted by
John of Argghhh! on May 29, 2006 3:43 PM
thanks very much, that was a powerful post, touching on the power of our heros who gave their lives for something bigger and for all of us, and we recall them with bittersweet gratitide, great admiration and a longing never to be fufilled.
posted by
Jane on May 29, 2006 8:48 PM
the photo is hard to see, this guy deserves so much honor and IM so glad you are paying tribute to him and all, all, all the others.
posted by
Jane on May 29, 2006 8:51 PM
2LT Cowherd, we will carry on in your name. LTC Cerri, take care of that daughter. We will carry on for her as well. To do less would dishonor thier work and sacifice.
Those of who know - well sir, we do know. And those who don't know - they will never understand. It has always been like that, and we have always been there nonetheless.
With Deepest, Most Sincere Respect and Honor,
Hand Salute.
Ready. TO.
CW4 Kevin Peterson
USAR (ret)
posted by K. Peterson, CW4 USAR ret on May 31, 2006 7:44 PM
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