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  <title>Comments for Korean War Memorial</title>
  <subtitle>We&apos;re the Military and Airpower Guys of Jonah Goldberg of National Review Online + a stray we found wandering around looking lost.  All original material JHD, BHD, JR, WT,  and KA 2003-2007</subtitle>
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    <published>2006-04-02T12:16:16Z</published>
    <updated>2006-11-11T16:53:30Z</updated>
    <title>Korean War Memorial</title>
    <summary>I spent yesterday and today going through the Memorial and Museum - 500 pictures worth of going through the museum and associated outdoor displays. But this post, I&apos;m going to highlight the Memorial. The site sits in central Seoul, on the former site of ROK Army Headquarters. The flags on the left are of the major units of the ROK Armed Forces and Police. On the right, the flags of the nations which fought under the aegis of the United Nations. The Koreans go out of their way to acknowledge those who helped them. Each of those arms of the...</summary>
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      <![CDATA[<p>I spent yesterday and today going through the Memorial and Museum - 500 pictures worth of going through the museum and associated outdoor displays.</p>

<p>But this post, I'm going to highlight the Memorial.  The site sits in central Seoul, on the former site of ROK Army Headquarters.  The flags on the left are of the major units of the ROK Armed Forces and Police.  On the right, the flags of the nations which fought under the aegis of the United Nations.  The Koreans go out of their way to acknowledge those who helped them.</p>

<center> <img src="http://www.fototime.com/D936239E4152316/orig.jpg" border=0 alt="Korean War Memorial"> </center>

<p>Each of those arms of the building to the left and right are full of bronze tablets containing the names of the known Korean dead from the war.  The areas to the left and right of the main entrance, marked by the columns, contain more names.  On the right, the known dead from the resistance to the Japanese.  On the left, all the known UN dead from the Korean War.</p>

<p>This view shows all the names of non-US dead of the UN nations. You can make out the British flag there on the closest panel.</p>

<p><img src="http://www.fototime.com/CF84ABD39CCF313/orig.jpg" border=0 alt="UN Allied Nations Dead."></p>

<p>This view shows the panels containing the US names, organized by State.  I would have preferred by Major Unit and Year (which is how the Koreans organized their panels) but hey - how many nations we've helped stay/get free have memorialized our dead in a monument in the middle of their capital city - with equal billing to their own dead?  So I'm not making any official complaints.</p>

<p><img src="http://www.fototime.com/95E619DE96B38E5/orig.jpg" border=0 alt="Panels with names of US dead"></p>

<p>This view shows the Korean panels.  Those are stairs in the center, leading to another chamber the same size as this one.  There is a mirror image on the other side of the Memorial, plus the section to the right of the entrance to the museum.  </p>

<p><img src="http://www.fototime.com/4E14ADD61927A07/orig.jpg" border=0 alt="Korean Name Panels, Korean War Memorial, Seoul."></p>

<p>There are 34,000 or so names on the US slabs, so that should give you some idea of the scope of Korean losses.  And the Korean panels hold more names - each Korean name is essentially three Hangul characters.  You can cram a lot of names on those panels when you are doing the an English equivalent of JHD, vice John H. Donovan.</p>

<p>Speaking of whom - I found this panel, listing casualties from the state of Virginia, to be somewhat... bemusing.  </p>

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    <title>Comment from ry on 2006-04-04</title>
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        Nope.  Pilots and Aviators are different.  Just ask Sir Lex-alot.  ;)
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    <published>2006-04-04T17:39:59Z</published>
    <updated>2006-04-04T17:39:59Z</updated>
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    <title>Comment from John of Argghhh! on 2006-04-03</title>
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        <name>John of Argghhh!</name>
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        I see that Ry will be putting the Battle Monuments Commission under the Department of Redundancy Department.
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    <published>2006-04-03T18:38:33Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from ry on 2006-04-03</title>
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        Here&apos;s something that hasn&apos;t come up yet:  Seoul is the site of a major battle that the US/UN took part in(and won).  Not much of a battle for Paris, and the Russians had Berlin reserved for them.  

If, and I pray to God it never happens, the fight for Taiwan takes place I wouldn&apos;t be surprised to see such a memorial built in Taipei(of course all those names would be Sailors, Pilots, and Aviators).
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    <published>2006-04-03T16:10:49Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from AFSister on 2006-04-02</title>
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        I know there are many memorials around the world, but ones that list all those names?  Or go through such great lengths to help those who fought for that country?  I dunno.  I don&apos;t think any of the memorials in the US that, although, our country has never been occupied like Korea was.
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    <published>2006-04-03T00:12:11Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from John of Argghhh! on 2006-04-02</title>
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        Well, okay.
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    <published>2006-04-02T21:41:19Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from ry on 2006-04-02</title>
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        John, remember that phrase you&apos;ve been beating me near to death with?  &apos;It ain&apos;t always about you&apos;?  

I wasn&apos;t ankle bitting you, Hoss.  Stop eating the kimchee.  It&apos;s making you think like me.  
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    <published>2006-04-02T21:37:31Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from John of Argghhh! on 2006-04-02</title>
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        Ry - I didn&apos;t say there weren&apos;t memorials in Europe.  I know there are.  And ones we didn&apos;t pay for.

There just aren&apos;t any I&apos;m aware of in national capitals that list names.

Granted, 34K names is easier to deal with than 400K.
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    <published>2006-04-02T21:28:56Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Cassandra on 2006-04-02</title>
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        John, man! Ye&apos;ve been dead all this time!

&apos;Splains a lot, don&apos;t it???

*running away*
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    <published>2006-04-02T20:56:42Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Cricket on 2006-04-02</title>
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        That is truly an awesome memorial.  The best one is to keep their country free.  Yes, there are memorials
all over the world thanking the people who helped in their struggle, but I am sorta like Ben Franklin;  They have freedom if they can keep it.


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    <published>2006-04-02T18:49:37Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from ry on 2006-04-02</title>
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        And what&apos;s more amazing to me is that there isn&apos;t much anger comming out of S. Korea about the &apos;US destroying Seoul&apos;.  That city was flattened in recapturing it(the second time, not Chromite).  Yet, they hold no ill will over that(lots of new and made up stuff, but not over that).

To be fair, there are memorials in Europe.  Patton is/was intered there, with his troops.  Then there&apos;s the giant D-Day memorial.  

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    <published>2006-04-02T18:39:38Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from olga on 2006-04-02</title>
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        John, that panel gave me creeps... Can only imagine how you felt at that moment...
I think South Koreans are the only ones who came up with such a memorial for our troops...
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    <published>2006-04-02T16:55:38Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from AFSister on 2006-04-02</title>
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        Oh wow.
What in incredible memorial museum!  I can&apos;t believe they put so much time, effort, and thought into thanking ALL who fought in their war.  I may be wrong, but I don&apos;t think any of our war memorials even come close to thanking all of our allies in such a personal way.
Simply amazing, John.  Sounds like an awe-inspiring day.
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