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Starving Chaplains.

Stop The ACLU covers the Chaplain on a hunger strike over not being able to "preach without diluting God to a one-size-fits all deity."

When this story first broke, I made my opinion on this known - if he's leading services, he can preach as he wishes - if he's officiating at an official, mandatory event - I have no objection to "diluting God to a one-size-fits all deity." The chaplain may feel they being oppressed with that restriction, but I disagree. It's part and parcel of being a military chaplain. I've known Catholic chaplains who can run through the jewish death prayer (I can't remember what it's called) as easily as they can the Last Rites. A military chaplain has to understand and acknowledge that his ministry includes people from outside his faith tradition - and if he or she can't deal with that, then a military chaplaincy is perhaps not their calling.

However - it's one thing to tell a chaplain to be generic at a official event (a mandatory function) and quite another to tell him to be generic when holding services, and that appears to be the case here.

Klingenschmitt, an Episcopal priest, says he challenged the policy at the time, saying that Title X of the U.S. Code allows him to pray “according to the manners and form” of his own church. “And that’s been the law since 1860,” he said.

The chaplain says he believes the 1998 Navy policy illegally overrides U.S. Code.

“They called me an immature chaplain because I claimed the right to pray in Jesus’ name,” Klingenschmitt added.

The “immature” label followed Klingenschmitt to his first chaplain post on a Navy ship. Two years later, his commanding officer, Capt. James M. Carr, wrote to the Navy board, saying Klingenschmitt emphasized his own “faith system” when praying and preaching.

The chaplain says the same officer punished him in July 2004 for a sermon he preached at an optional chapel service.

“In the sermon, I said, ‘Jesus is the way to heaven,’” Klingenschmitt noted. He says he was told the next day: “You can’t say that if unbelievers are in the audience because you’re offending people, and that’s not Navy pluralism.”

In March, Klingenschmitt says, Carr asked the Navy board “to end my career. So I filed a complaint.”

Said Klingenschmitt: “It went into the hands of a Navy judge. My career was on the line. They were going to end it after 14 years – out on the street with no retirement.”

Just before his fast began, Klingenschmitt says, “The Navy stripped me of my uniform for all public appearances” that might include praying in Jesus’ name.

The Chaplain feels he should be able to do as he wishes in services, and that doesn't appear to be the case. An unbeliever, attending services? And the Chaplain is to be sensitive to that? So, if a worshiper of Set were attend a Christian service, the Chaplain should perhaps excise God as well? To what purpose and end? On the surface of it, this doesn't seem to make any sense, now that the story is more fully developed.

Anyone have the official Navy position on all this?

Update! Ah, my trolling worked! CDR Salamander to the rescue!

Sapper Sergeant has his own view up, and several links we're missing (and you can go read what he has to say if you'd like to see the links, that seems only fair).

Lastly, speaking of mistreating Chaplains and subsequently regretting it...


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John - It's the Kaddish.
 
Ironic you bring this up as my mother and I were just discussing military chaplains on Sunday heh We knew a Navy Warrant Officer who chose to *not* become a Chaplain due to restrictions on "Sunday faith services" The idea presented at the time, while logical to a point, was that in Combat it doesn't matter which denomination the Chaplain is: He's a chaplain. To a point thats correct but it begs questions regarding belief. A good pious Catholic friend is determined that only a Catholic Priest can grant the absolution of the Last Rites while his primary ministaer in the Service was in fact Baptist. I think this could turn in to a very large ugly can of worms. Especially if someone presents the argument "If my son/daughter dies and the his/her (insert denomination here) Priest/Minister is not there...then its the US Navy/DoD/Bush's fault my child is going to Hell." Personally I'm with you. If it's Sunday service it should be the Chaplains to run. If's a public event, keep it short sweet without asking someone to testify at a football game (don't laugh. This happened at my high school. A Public School.) On the combat matter, I don't care what route he uses to talk to The Man, but on my way out put in a good word for me. Not prachin', just sayin' :)
 
What the... Somebody's lost their mind here. This doesn't even make sense.. Why would a non-beliver attend a church service? Why would a non-believer be offended? I've been into a couple churches, to examine the architecture and one time to get married, but other than that, a real non-believer just isn't interested. I may not believe, but i'll be dammned if i'm going to piss on someone elses faith.
 
Here is an example of why a non-believer might attend a service. Let's say it is a funeral service, and one of his military friends who happens to worship a different god attends. Let's say the fallen hero who is being honored had requested a Catholic service be held. Yes, the friend should keep their trap shut and show some respect for their friend's beliefs, but...from what I'm getting here, the Navy are more worried about someone being offended.
 
Jay - I doubt anyone of a different faith (or no faith at all) would have any problem saying the final farewell to a friend of a different faith. The setting might not be familiar to him--or her--but everyone there would have a common bond independent of spiritual affiliation.
 
He is supposed to put the Sailors first and he is not. It's not a matter of a non-believer being offended. There are people who do not follow his particular brand of Christianity who are being offended and/or left out be his specific sermons. When one is the Chaplain for whole group of mixed religious, one must broaden one's scope to include everyone. His beef is that he wants to "pray, in the name of Jesus", not generically in the name of "God" or "The Almighty". It's not his call. Also, he is a Navy officer first and I can't say I like this "fasting in front of the white House" stuff.
 
Maggie - I don't care for his behavior as an officer, but that's a different post. As for services - it's the Chaplain's job to facilitate services for other faiths, or faith practices, which may mean arranging for a lay minister or other possible avenues. But I'm curious - is there a Christian sect out there that objects to invoking Jesus? I know there are Protestant sects which object to Catholic invocations of the Virgin, but what sect gets worked up over Jesus? Bloodspite - Somehow, in the big scheme of things (regarding death rites) I'm really of the opinion that the Deity/ies don't get that exercised about it...
 
I have to agree with the Chaplain here, at least if he was doing a sermon on Sunday and he prayed invoking Jesus (yes, I question who was offended since almost every christian faith prays in the name of Jesus; accept seven day adventists who actually have the sabbath on Saturday so I'm still wondering) then what was up his captain's butt? What was up the butt of the attendee who heard Jesus's name? I'm really confused here. I mean, this sounds like a witch hunt, like some officer or other was troubled by this man's overt faith and decided to make a production out of it. Is this going to go so far that a chaplain can't baptize or convert or help someone accept Jesus as their savior? I think this is the case of the military afraid of going one way to far, going to far the other.
 
I'm on the side of the Chaplain. If the senior staff feel that some might be offended by possible religious references, then don't request a prayer from the Chaplain. Ordering a Chaplain to make no mention of his preferred Deity in a prayer meets the definition of an illegal order. As for meeting the needs of those not of the Chaplain faith, that's supposed to be covered on the Basic Chaplain's Course. The reports on the Navy Chaplain's misdemeanors don't indicate he was a failure in this ministry. We had a Change-of-Command parade this summer which was conducted according to Naval protocols, as laid out by the Cox'n: it included a proper Naval prayer from our Chaplain, which included the appropriate references to "the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost", as per the Naval Order of Services Manual. As an addendum, my father is a Baptist lay-minister whose current ministry is at our local hospital, particularly the long-term care facility. As such, he performs various rites not used by the Baptist church, but necessary to the spiritual health of members in his congregatation. Meeting those needs is his job, not pandering to the social sensibilities of his nominal superiors.
 
ok, I guess I kind of threw my comment in midstream. Let me try again. I doubt there are many Christians who have a problem with someone invoking the name Jesus. My point was that he was told up front in chaplain school at Newport what would be acceptable and what wouldn't and now 3 years later he has a beef. Personally, in my limited experience, when someone of the evangelical Protestant faith of Christianity preaches to me, a Roman Catholic, I can become very uncomfortable. So I avoid it. What if I couldn't, what if it was an officer, what if I had no where else to go? I am not saying that this guy didn't have his good points, he did. But he is not recognizing a line here. They had this problem in the Air Force and I think the Navy is just trying to avoid the same problem. I am viewing with the problems they had at the AirForce Academy in mind. These aren't random charges being brought by atheists. Those preaching plurality include the chief of chaplains, a Roman Catholic priest and the deputy chief of chaplains, an evangelical Protestant. So, again I side with the Navy over this guy. The needs of the sailors come first, not this guys need to get his own message out there.
 
I might be confused, but I thought this chaplain has been around for more than three years? and, since he's a chaplain, though an officer, this guy wouldn't exactly be running up every coxswain, bosun and petty officers butt every second of the day. Further, he's talking about invoking Jesus in prayer not about whether he can corner some stripeless, birdless sailor and force him to confess Jesus as his only savior.
 
I guess the question is that since this Navy Chaplain is the only game in town on board ship, one has to ask if he was officiating ceremonies for other faiths onboard ship. If he was, they no problemo. If he was refusing, then I'd question his fitness as a chaplain, (but not as a priest). If he does a specific form of Christianity to the total "exclusion" of other faiths, then there is probably a problem. ie if he's holding a small ceremony on Saturdays for the Jewish crewmen, then he has to be doing ok then. (I don't see the pagan types wanting or needing him to officiate, maybe act as a logistics officer however ("Father, we need a sacramental mead for our winter-solstice circle on the fantail at midnight").
 
SapperSgt has a bunch of thoughts on this as well. (Cite's John above too).
 
He has only been in the Navy for 3 years. He was in the Air Force before becoming a chaplain. He states that he took a demotion and a pay cut to join the Navy and become a Chaplain. I know this is nasty but I find that a little strange. What's the back story there?
 
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