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Re: The Brit General and those racist Americans.

Just an observation - Colonel Kevin Benson is on the faculty of the Command and General Staff College, here at beautiful uptown Fort Leavenworth. And perhaps one reason he got so torqued is that he is in the middle of the Army's work to address the issues that Brigadier Aylwin-Foster is so upset about.

Stripping out the Brit General's rhetoric, I find a good chunk of the substance of his comments consonant with my own experience, and his caveats are important -though the caveats will be lost.

But in order to get anyone to listen to him, he pretty much *had* to use that language.

The fact that Military Review published his remarks actually *is* important, if you understand how things like that work.

What will be unfortunate is that persons with differing agendas will misuse the Brigadier's words and twist them into other meanings, for other purposes.

And who will report on the fact that the Army (and Marines) recognize the cultural insensitivity issues and are in fact at this moment revamping the enlisted and officer education systems to try to addres the issue - and that a whole lot of warfighting training is beind displaced to add it into the curricula. But one thing he does limn for us.

While US officers in Iraq criticised their allies for being too reluctant to use force, their strategy was "to kill or capture all terrorists and insurgents: they saw military destruction of the enemy as a strategic goal in its own right". In short, the brigadier says, "the US army has developed over time a singular focus on conventional warfare, of a particularly swift and violent kind".

That's why four divisions took down a medium sized country on a shoestring. Okay, we've got to get better at the other stuff - and we will. We're working on it. But nothing like that happens overnight. But who else in the world is even trying?

38 Comments

How come no one is ever concerned about being culturally insensitive towards Americans?
 
Feewings nutin mor dan feeeewings. Okay maybe we are racist, but he is British. At least we can get better.... to misquote Churchill and the "yes madam I am drunk, you are ugly, in the morining I will be sober." line
 
Patton used that sort of language and was shushed. The reason why people think we can't possibly take offense is that we are too boorish, backward and downright provincial to know when we have been given the lefthanded 'noblesse oblige.' We lack nuance, you see. In a pig's eye. One of the things that struck me about this particular website is that I can ask questions and since we are all way beyond boot camp, basic courses, AIT, advanced courses, etc. no one minds answering them, tempered with their experience.
 
It's not that we're too boorish or lacking in nu-aaahh-nce to take offense, it's just that we often give the impression that we don't give a rat's rear about the Disapproving Approbation of Sophisticated Others. And, in my case, it's not just an impression...
 
Okay - I tried to refrain, but it's killing me. Just a couple of observations: During my two trips to Germany as part of a REFORGER element, I was always amazed at how we, compared to the Brits, responded to maneuver damage. If we ran over a chicken, we paid for that chicken, all the off-spring that chicken would reasonably produce, and every egg laid for three generations (I'm not kidding). The Brits, on the other hand, simply said, "sod off, we won the war". Cultural insensitivity number one. Second: the British empire was reduced to a single-island holding for one reason - cultural insensitivity. The British went into a foreign land and did everything in their power to make that land BRITISH. Even in the church, missionaries attempted not only to convert the heathen to Christianity, but to anglicize them. Tomes have been written on how not to do what the British did. Now, this pompous ass has the audacity to call us culturally insensitive. As John indicated, maybe we are, but I would say it's out of ignorance (oversight) and not by design. And finally, where has the British warrior spirit gone? Of COURSE we want to capture or kill every insurgent in the country - why the hell else did we go in there. One establishes democracy and freedom by ridding the nation of those who oppose the same. Brigadier - get a life!!
 
Well actually old chap I think the Brigadier is right. I mean after all old boy, had the British handled the American Colonies the way we operate in Iraq the Colonies may have been lost for all time to the Empire. throat clearing noises.
 
Stop jumping in and out of character during the same sentence and your throat won't get so traumatized.
 
LOL!!! I am working on my membership to the Daughters of the American Revolution...
 
Oh Thanks Bill I feel better now I thought I was developing a hairball problem again.
 
It was that or the major horking you were going to do all over the BG's comments. John, well stated for the obvious reasons.
 
John...when I read his comments, I was sure there were important lessons in there since I've read Iraq blogs, even friendly ones, that have routintely complained about our cultural insensitivity as well as a few choice issues about our military aggressive posture in what is was largely a cowed or grateful population. things like staring holes through citizens standing by their cars as we drove by knocking their mirrors off because we had to squeeze through a traffic jam as we had a "no stop" rule to protect against car bombs and suiciders. So, there was a purpose to our actions, they did have some negative results, it was a question of which negative was less costly than the other: Iraqi guy ticked off because of his car that *might* decide he hates you and join the bad guys or an exploding tank with 5 to 10 dead soldiers everytime you roll? Interesting though, I say we learn these lessons with or without the Brits, however slow, since I just read a soldier's blog saying that they were letting cars pass them instead of shooting at them because they were now into "hearts and minds". While I understand the Brit's points, I still think he's a butthole because you can say he "had" to say something like that and I can say this bloody limey was holding our jock strap in the second most secure part of Iraq after we rolled all over the rebels in an Najaf while they sat around and watched people getting kidnapped and murdered by the newest militias in control of the area after we pacified it and handed it to them. It was so bad they had to go break their own guys out of prison because of it. pretty much giving the impression that their culturally advanced sensitivity is about as righteous as a wet peice of toilet paper. I'm sorry, I don't buy the *caveat* about *having* to say it that way. I've worked in business, managing people and different groups from around or across companies and the minute you start talking to someone whom you have no power over in such a manner, they typically *do* turn off the listening and skip everything you say like you were a computer with no sound card while they just got more pissy and less willing to work with you again. I can't imagine at all, institutional brick wall the army might have, that it is any different in the military. On top of that, considering the opinions of Europeans I've met to date, this guys sounds like he's suffering from the same kind of anti-American exceptionalism. You know, we are untidy and far too exuberant about things. If we're going to go to war than at *least* we should just bear it with a stiff upper lip and a quiet demeanor and not be shouting all those "hoo-ahs" because it gives the ugly impression we enjoy war. /sarcasm Anyway, what I wanted to say to this guy was "that's why we're the biggest navy on the seven seas today and you no longer are; you lost your drive you namby pamby tea tottler now shut up before we decide that England ha kat-missouri | Homepage | 01.12.06 - 1:58 pm | # -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Anyway, what I wanted to say to this guy was "that's why we're the biggest navy on the seven seas today and you no longer are; you lost your drive you namby pamby tea tottler now shut up before we decide that England has violated the Treaty of Paris and threatens us with their WMD". But, I generally love the Brits so I don't, even when I *do* think they're a bit of snobs (even the civilians) sometimes. British exceptionalism, old chap. Been there long before us so they are far more advanced culturally, even if their dental care sucks. Works both ways. ;) PS...many moons ago I wrote about some of the problems Iraqis said they were having and suggestions right from Iraqis about improving some aspects while recognizing there might be force protection issues at hand. So, he's right, but I think he was very wrong in his approach. And, yes, I've already seen it being bandied about on the left as *proof* that the US *is* the evil aggressor who were not liberators and *proof* that the military is full of stupid neanderthals. Thus, I continue to hold by opinion that the good Brigadier was an a$$.
 
I tried, but I just can't avoid chuckling given the Brit's fine record of curtural awarness. "We'll put the border right here - they're all bloody wogs anyways..." Now that that's out of my system, yeah, most of the guys I deployed could never get past the fact that in the mideast there is nothing wrong (or sexual) with men holding hands. Our cultural awareness briefs were all fine and good, but you don't really learn about people in a brief. Joint training and operations would go a long way to reduce that issue. As far as the agressiveness of the US forces goes, we're trained to be agressive and we've got some great tools for that but sometimes those aren't the tools you need. Some unit commanders understand that better than others. Aside from some of the soundbyte quotes, I don't think that the Brigadier said anything that hasn't been a serious topic of discussion in the US Military for a couple of years now.
 
PSS...cross posted comment from my own site.
 
Kat - There you go, perpetuating the foul canard that Neanderthalers are...uhhhh...were stupid. Sorry 'bout that. Got a mastodon sinew caught between the uppers...
 
I only gave the article a brief read, but I don't see any support in it for institutionalized racism. Racism is the belief that one's race is superior to another (considering the racial makeup of our armed forces, it's hard to argue that). Cultural insensitivity is something far less than that. As Mike L said, it's a matter of oversight/ignorance/focus on the task at hand rather than malicious intent.
 
Pogue - pretty much my point. Kat - let's just say I've done enough Joint and Combined Ops that I'm a bit more diplomatic than, um, well, you.
 
After I read the article, the 'institutionalized racism' just didn't hold water. The issues quoted had more to do with management that sounds like he cut and pasted from the Army Times articles regarding micromanagement. Having said that, he's got one heck of a nerve saying that the military is promoting institutional racsim. Precisely HOW could we do that in a military as racially and culturally diverse as ours? Especially when their cultural insensitivity that touched off the Sepoy Mutiny? Reaching hearts and minds while teaching those same hearts and minds about democracy that is NOT inconsistent with Islam is a tight balancing act. Suffice it to say we have learned from their mistakes and the French's in regard to that issue. And as was so rightly pointed out, you can learn all you want about a people in the classroom but nothing beats being immersed in a culture to really learn about it. While my experience certainly had nothing to do with war, I did live in West Germany for three years. He is just rehashing the 'ugly American' canard. Hu hum. Kat-Missouri, Again, finely delivered rebuttal. Bill, watch those mastodon sinews.
 
Oh, and about the Sepoy Mutiny: The Brits did repress most harshly with mutineers being buried in pig carcasses and fired from cannon. It had the effect of crushing the mutiny. Think history should repeat itself, Brigadier? Just asking....
 
Just a short grumble from an old fogey. We went into Iraq because of a belief (true or not) that the Iraq government had WMD and supported ben Laden. It had nothing to do with making friends, but a lot about influencing people. You mess with the US and you will be subjected to "conventional warfare, of a particularly swift and violent kind". I really don't care what kind of government Iraq has in the future, I just know whatever it is it will not piss us off again for at least a hundred years. Neither will the others that read history. I don't particulary care if other countries think of us as hairy-assed barbs, I just know that when they get their chestnuts in the fire we will be the first one they think of when the realize they need a long set of tongs. Not PC? Skur-um.
 
but a lot about influencing people. Hee! I like that.
 
Of course, I *don't* work for the military, if I did I would certainly make my complaints about his choice of words a little more *ahem *circumspect in respect to my position and our working close working relationship with the British, good allies that they are. But, I admit I saw the words "institutionalized racism" and saw red. The proverbial brick wall went up. Now, of course, this is making the news and political hay. alwyn-Foster goes on to say: There can be few acts more galling than a soldier from one country publicly assessing the performance of those from another," he wrote. "However, this is not an arrogant exercise in national comparisons. It is, rather, an attempt to understand and rationalize the apparently paradoxical currents of strength and weakness witnessed close hand over the course of a year. "Ultimately, the intent is to be helpful to an institution I greatly respect." Me thinks the gentleman has a Monty complex. If I recall, he and Patton had a love hate relationship. all that brash american gung-ho, what? And it won't let me link to the CNN site. says that CNN dot com is "questionable content". LOL
   
Patton was way wicked kewl. There.
 
What Bill said! "In my case, it's not just an impression..." To be honest, I just chalk it up to the same nonsens the Brits have been doing and saying since forever. This guy may have valid points, but he wasn't saying it for the benefit to us, he was saying it because it's tradition for British Officer and other genteel types to badmouth Americans. And they don't mind doing it to our faces, either. When I was a pvt in the 7th Cav at Ft. Hood, our Bn XO was a British Major, exchange officer type (our XO went to be in the British Army). Our guy was named Major Osborne. After 31 years, I still remember the man as being a different sort, concerned about some pretty stupid things, and he said a few things to a group of us one night that this new guy's comments reminded me of. But then I remember, that's the country which published the headline about half of America being wrong for electing Bush, and that's the country that has banned piglet (or so it seemed), and that's the country in which a homosexual group may be taken to court for hate speach for accusing Ismlam of being harsh on Homosexuals, and so on and on... I like the brits, but there are among them twits who make OUR twits look good. And that said, I just take two deep breaths and turn my back on the comments and the commenter. As I wrote yesterday, these are not Americans, and while they may not consider themselves European, many of them have a LOT more in common with the Euroweenies than they do with us. gaaraghgha. . .!!! hairballs! Sometimes, I just can't stand it.. gaararrgchaarrgghhh!!! P-tooey!
 
He who is without sin.... Pretty harsh words from a "Borrower". Yeah, we have an attitude, but at least we can deploy a sizeable force to the other side of the world without needing help. Our British friends haven't been able to do that since the Falklands war (or should I say Malvinas so I can be culturally sensitive); and they had to pull out all the stops to do it then. I'd be much more inclined to listen to what he had to say if it didn't sound so much like sour grapes.
 
And I like Patton, and Sherman TOO! So really there!! Mine eyes have seen the glory of the coooomming of the Lord.. . . ... --- ... | ... --- ... | ... --- | --- .... | ... .... .. - |
 
"the US army has developed over time a singular focus on conventional warfare, of a particularly swift and violent kind" That's a feature, not a bug :-)
 
Sanger - .... . .... . .... . . . . . .! -. . .- -!
 
Point of order. A Brigadier in Commonwealth forces (minus Canada which calls their 1-stars Brigadier Generals) is given 1-star equivalency for protocol reasons when dealing with allied forces, i.e. the US, but is not an actual General Officer. It is sort of, again sort of, like the Senior Colonel rank the DPRK and PRC have, but with a bit more gumption and title respectability.
 
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Chris - yeah, I reverted to proper use, but I reserve the right to craft attention getting headlines... he said weakly, as his co-option of MSM-like behaviors continued... Heh. Boyz think I don't know Morse.
 
Aaaand the merit badge site sez: You do not have to know Morse code for this merit badge. (It used to be a requirement for second class!). -. . . -. . .-. / -. . . -. . .-. / -. . . -. . .-.!!! *.-. ..- -. -. .. -. --. / .-.. .. -.- . / .... . .-.. -.-*
 
I'm not the Geezer you are, but I'm old enough to have the old badge, earned in 1971.
 
The *new* badge came out just before 1968. The *old* badge was made outta WWI Army blankets. Still had dormant Spanish flu bugs in 'em... 1958.
 
I was alive then, at least. If barely beyond drooling and pooping. Oh, wait...
 
And for those of us who don't understand morse snark, there is a translator out there somewhere. Cass and I used it over a year ago. As to BG Sour-Grapes MontgomeryWannabe, nuts to him. After Bush got down and dirty, we haven't had a terrorist attack on US soil since 9-11. And Britian has had how many? They have had to kowtow to their culturally insensitive immigrants who refuse to assimilate. I remember reading somewhere that the last successful invasion of Great Britain was in 1066. I don't think so now.
 
Cricket: http://morsecode.scphillips.com/translator.html All I know is how to call for help and cuss a little. Bill may be doing this from memory... I'd hav been a failed POW, tapping on pipes would have just given me a headache... :-(
 
But the POW tap code is based on a different system. No, I'm *not* gonna post it in open forum. Morse follows a logical progression and there's an interesting mnemonic for remembering it. Now, if I could only remember that mnemonic... ...or is it pneumonic or bubonic...?
 
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