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The Nature of the Threat

1st - Congrats to Bill... his post was #2000 here at the Castle!

Okay - we've been sniping at the Global War on Terror, with our newest contrarian, Ray B, weighing in on things, keeping us from being a perfect echo chamber.

Remember the Armorer's Motto: Wahabism Delenda Est! (apologies to the Latin purists, who insist on Wahabismus)?

Let's bring in some outside help on it. Victor Hanson noted, back on November 4th:

November 04, 2005, 8:40 a.m. The Real Global Virus The plague of Islamism keeps on spreading.

Either the jihadists really are crazy or they apparently think that they have a shot at destabilizing, or at least winning concessions from, the United States, Europe, India, and Russia all at once.

Emphasis mine (of course it is, it supports my thesis...)

First, despite the various professed grievances (e.g., India should get out of Kashmir; Russia should get out of Chechnya; England should get out of Iraq; Christians should get out of Indonesia; or Westerners should get out of Bali), the perpetrators were all self-proclaimed Islamic radicals. Westerners who embrace moral equivalence still like to talk of abortion bombings and Timothy McVeigh, but those are isolated and distant memories. No, the old generalization since 9/11 remains valid: The majority of Muslims are not global terrorists, but almost all such terrorists, and the majority of their sympathizers, are Muslims.

Second, the jihadists characteristically feel that dialogue or negotiations are beneath them. So like true fascists, they don’t talk; they kill. Their opponents — whether Christians, Hindus, Jews, or Westerners in general — are, as infidels, de facto guilty for what they are rather than what they supposedly do. Talking to a Dr. Zawahiri is like talking to Hitler: You can’t — and it’s suicidal to try.

Third, there is an emboldened sense that the jihadists can get away with their crimes based on three perceptions:
(1) Squabbling and politically correct Westerners are decadent and outnumber the U.S. Marines, and ascendant Islamicism resonates among millions of Muslims who feel sorely how far they have fallen behind in the new globalized world community — and how terrorism and blackmail, especially if energized by nuclear weapons or biological assets, might leapfrog them into a new caliphate.

(2) Sympathetic Muslim-dominated governments like Malaysia or Indonesia will not really make a comprehensive effort to eradicate radical Islamicist breeding grounds of terror, but will perhaps instead serve as ministries of propaganda for shock troops in the field.

(3) Autocratic states such as Pakistan, Syria, Saudi Arabia, and Iran share outright similar political objectives and will offer either stealthy sanctuary or financial support to terrorists, confident that either denial, oil, or nuclear bombs give them security

Meanwhile, Westerners far too rarely publicly denounce radical Islam for its sick, anti-Semitic, anti-female, anti-American, and anti-modernist rhetoric. Just imagine the liberal response if across the globe Christians had beheaded schoolgirls, taken over schoolhouses to kill students, and shot school teachers as we have witnessed radical Muslims doing these past few months

Instead, Western parlor elites are still arguing over whether there were al Qaedists in Iraq before the removal of Saddam Hussein, whether the suspicion of WMDs was the real reason for war against the Baathists, whether Muslim minorities should be pressured to assimilate into European democratic culture, and whether constitutional governments risk becoming intolerant in their new efforts to infiltrate and disrupt radical Muslim groups in Europe and the United States. Some of this acrimony is understandable, but such in-fighting is still secondary to defeating enemies who have pledged to destroy Western liberal society. At some point this Western cannibalism becomes not so much counterproductive as serving the purposes of those who wish America to call off its struggle against radical Islam.

While I have been saying things like this off and on for three years now, it's always more authentic and real if a Famous Person says it - even if that person is famous because they have a good singing voice. I know - Barbra Streisand told me so!

Anyway... Most of what I see (most, not all) coming from the Loyal Opposition these days is essentially a yearning for "Anything But What Bush Wants" even to the point of "We want The Sun to Rise in the West, because Bush likes it Rising In the East..." level of discourse. Mostly, it seems a desperate desire to return to the *perceived* comfortable Status Quo Ante 9/11, with Enhanced Police Features!

Still interested? Read on in the Flash Traffic/Extended Entry-

Most Americans think that our present conflict is not comparable with World War II, in either its nature or magnitude. Perhaps — but they should at least recall the eerie resemblance of our dilemma to the spread of global fascism in the late 1930s.

At first few saw any real connection between the ruthless annexation of Manchuria by Japanese militarists, or Mussolini’s brutal invasion of Ethiopia, or the systematic aggrandizement of Eastern-European territory by Hitler. China was a long way from Abyssinia, itself far from Poland. How could a white-supremacist Nazi have anything in common with a racially-chauvinist Japanese or an Italian fascist proclaiming himself the new imperial Roman?
In response, the League of Nations dithered and imploded (sound familiar?). Rightist American isolationists (they’re back) assured us that fascism abroad was none of our business or that there were conspiracies afoot by Jews to have us do their dirty work. Leftists were only galvanized when Hitler finally turned on Stalin (perhaps we have to wait for Osama to attack Venezuela or Cuba to get the Left involved). Abroad even members of the British royal family were openly sympathetic to German grievances (cf. Prince Charles’s silence about Iran’s promise to wipe out Israel, but his puerile Edward VIII-like lectures to Americans about a misunderstood Islam). French appeasement was such that even the most humiliating concession was deemed preferable to the horrors of World War I (no comment needed).

Therein lies the crux - as I have also noted before - if Daladier's France and/or the League of Nations had exercised their TREATY-SANCTIONED RIGHTS when facing the rise of Hitler, two things would be arguable (and I so argue) results.

1. While the conflict with Japan probably would have happened, and some reckoning between Western Europe and the Soviet Union would have occurred - WWII in Europe might not have happened... and think how the world might be different today if the Holocaust hadn't led to the founding of Israel?

2. Daladier would be reviled by the cognoscenti as a murderous bast*rd who deprived the Germans of their rights and who crushed their aspirations. And because WWII never happened, well, we might agree with them on this one - because Hitler hadn't fully tipped his hand by the time he re-occupied the Rhineland.

Unlike Saddam.

Something else I've talked about in this space is the nature of the threat in terms of the religion of Islam itself. As I tend to ramble, I'll quote Pete Speer, a fella who blogs at General Eclectic and is a career intel analyst who contributes to one of the mailing lists I belong to:

To understand Islam is not to tolerate the politico-military objectives of its radicals. We need to go back in time to look at Christianity in the Fourteenth Century. For if we equate the birth of Christ and the hegira of Muhammad as being Time Zero, that is where Islam presently finds itself. The West was not even close to the Enlightenment, centuries removed from John Locke, among other philosophers who gave impetus to the concept of Democracy. The Church ruled through an accommodation with regional autocrats. Wealth was concentrated at the top. The masses were wretched and religion was indeed the opiate fed to the people. The first reformers -- Hus among the Czechs, Wyecliffe in England -- started the ball rolling towards individualism as opposed to the primacy of the papacy in all matters. This is not unlike what we see in the lands of Islam. People being herded in the corral of religion but controlled by those whose purpose is secular. Is reform in Islam two centuries away? The schism, if you will, between Sunni and Shia offers us an opportunity to speed it. Shia itself is posits the coexistence of a secular and religious society. From that over time can come the development of a secular system of philosophy. Our politico-military policy, in the Middle East, should be designed to achieve that objective. This will require a combination of pressure and patience.

That's my story, and I'm sticking to it.


You should read Hanson's whole thing here, vice just my cherry-picked parts.

8 Comments

I may be at times considered a contrarian but I love this country as much as anyone ever could and my support for the men and woman in the military is unwavering. I don't mind expressing uncommon or unfalttering issues but I always support the military. Case in point. I support the Solomon Amendment 100%. I cannot believe this issue has risen as far as it has. The military provides a unique service to all American, and Non-American, citizens living within its borders, and outsiode its borders. For any group, or union, to even try and deny them the right to recruit is appalling. Would these same individuals rather we went back to the draft? Raymond B www.voteswagon.com
 
Pete Speer's "Time Zero" reduction is interesting and would probably be valid if you considered each religion as having evolved in a vacuum. Islam's Golden Age and the West's Enlightenment took place during periods of relative political stability; there were ongoing localized wars (think of Hatfield/McCoy covering all of West Virginia) but no major, treasury-draining conflicts. All that changed for the West after the Reformation and the religious wars spilled out over two hemispheres. It took a while, but things shook out to the point that the only "religious" wars between Christian sects have had political, not religious, origins. Okay, reset the clock--but think of the Renaissance and the Golden age as Time Zero. Proceeding up the Western side of the timeline, we see the Reformation followed by about two centuries of bloody, global warfare followed by a cessation of armed *religious* hostilities after the *secular* rulers looked around their respective fiefs and discovered that almost nobody was home anymore. Proceeding up the Islamic side of the timeline, we see the Sunni-Shi'a split had taken place a hundred years *prior* to the start of the timeline and the internecine warfare had flared briefly and then settled into a series of tribal feuds--which continue today, 1,200 years later. Islam and Christianity may have had similar timelines, but they have had divergent paths. Christianity had its religious wars early, then called b.s. on the idea of warfare-as-proselytizing. Islam--twelve centuries after-the-fact--has yet to have its sectarian, nation-depopulating wars to give the necessary impetus to an Enlightenment. In a perfect world, the Sunnis and Shi'a would learn from our own horrible, three-centuries-past example. This isn't a perfect world. Besides--there are a lot of *us* who haven't learned... On a side note, if I'd realized I was gonna set a Castle milestone, I would have posted something funnier, like John Kerry's latest gaffe: Sen. KERRY: "And there is no reason, Bob, that young American soldiers need to be going into the homes of Iraqis in the dead of night, terrorizing kids and children, you know, women, breaking sort of the customs of the--of--the historical customs, religious customs. Whether you like it or not..." SCHIEFFER: "Yeah." Sen. KERRY: "...Iraqis should be doing that." *snicker*
 
Bill, I saw that the other day and was rolling my eyes. Last year around election time, I was reading all of Kerry's statements and then checking out his history from post vietnam through his career and, I'll tell you, the dude was already an anti-war guy before Vietnam, thought he had to go join as his "duty", saw combat and freaked. From that moment on, his entire life has been shaped around his experiences and the narrative he created about Vietnam. he can't escape it. So everything he says is really repetative. He said similar things about actions to support the Contra against the Sandanistas. About what our military was doing down there. The whole thing is that he can only understand life through the distorted lens of his Vietnam experience. Anyway, I wanted to say here, under John's post that one of the major problems that the American people have is that they cannot see the enemy. I mean that literally. So, we flip on some video (usually propaganda) from time to time showing some "insurgents" in Iraq. But, generally, like our men over there, they don't physically see them all the time. We certainly don't see them in AFghanistan and they don't see them in Pakistan or Indonesia. It's the invisible army. Further, no journalist here has done an indepth report with visuals that show who, what and where these guys are today. No maps indicating where Islamist actions have taken place all over the world. The only time you see a map with anything on it is when they flip up some quick graphic saying "attack in Bali" and you see an Indonesian map. Besides Zawahiri or some other statement that follows the recent attack or action, nobody is actually putting together any of their video or making an undercover video that shows these folks talking or preaching or stirring up the masses with their podium pounding about jews, Christians and westerners in general. Why? WEll, I fully believe that these folks are truly afraid of what the American response would be which would be, rightly so in many cases, fear and anger. They would demand something more than the things we are doing now and I don't think that any administration is willing to prosecute a wider war because of its inference to expand beyond Islamist nations. In reality, Iraq is a "small war" compared to what people would demand. So, while VDH and others continue to ring the bell, the public gets watered down information in order to keep the lid on so they don't see an "enemy army". They aren't standing around in big formations burning torches in the shape of swastikas or having crowds of young men shouting bonzai after a speech about destroying this or that group. Its the invisible army and people don't know how to fight the invisible army or even if there is an army to fight.
 
Moral and cultural relativists would have us believe that Christianity / the West and Islam / the Arab & Muslim world are equally as bad and good as each other. But the reality is that the West is a better culture precisely because we've already progressed through the experiences, and learned lessons from, events like the Renaissance, the Reformation, the Enlightenment, industrial and social revolutions, civil wars, slavery, world wars, etc. - all while Islam has been basically suspended in the 13th Century. Moral and cultural relativists cringe at the "negativity" of being "judgmental". But you don't have to be perfect to be better.
 
i would think you would be better served using "Wahabissimus"... that would better indicate the superlative (extreme) form.
 
Would these same individuals rather we went back to the draft? Yes. It would be a good way to further undermine support for the war and hopefull disrupt military effectiveness by creating a bunch of malcontents.
 
I will admit to having been one of those who is, ahhh, less than pleased with our President, and did not support the war in Iraq based primarily on that fact. In the months prior to the war, all I could see was how desperately he wanted to go to war with Iraq, and it just didn't make a lot of sense to me. I still believe he was making stuff up and/or exaggerating circumstances to get it going. Having said that: It is my reflections on WWII that made me change my mind. When the anniversary of the end of WWII was approaching, and there was a lot of analysis of pre-WWII events, I began to see how similar these conflicts are. My tendency to believe non-intervention is best, was challenged, and I came to the conclusion that where this kind of evil exists, we should fight it. So I am behind this war, and behind the troops, regardless of what I think of the Pres. And I am discussing it frequently with my lefty friends, explaining how it truly is similar to WWII, and how the people we're fighting would remove their (my friends') feminist and gay/lesbian heads first, and we have no moral obligation to support the terrorists' struggle. I believe that, if the president had framed this fight in its similarities to the world pre-WWII, he may have had more support. Your average leftist, not necessarily the squeaky wheels, love to see people overcome tyranny, they truly do. Instead, Bush exaggerated what I believe was a minimal threat to the US, and we could all see that Saddam was a loudmouth but already reduced to a minor threat, and so it just didn't seem worth it. That's my two cents' worth.
 
April, Not that anyone's asked, but here's my $00.02 worth. Hopefully, John will excuse me if I ramble, and I hope he and all the other professional military denizens of The Castle will excuse my amateur, layman's analysis: The war in Iraq was not just aimed at removing Saddam. There's a larger strategy at play here. As much of a danger as Saddam himself posed to the US and the Gulf region, I think after 9/11 the Bush administration correctly ascertained that IRAN was the larger threat, insofar as Islamist terrorists like Osama bin Laden / Al Qaeda / Hezbollah / Hamas, et. and their state sponsors was concerned. But I think the hope has always been - and still is - to AVOID a larger, messier war with Iran by changing the dynamics in the Arab and Muslim world by promoting freer, more open, and more democratic governments in the region. After 9/11, we recognized that our previous policy of tolerating authoritarian, despotic regimes like those in Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Bahrain, Pakistan, and elsewhere in the Islamic world had become counterproductive. We had done so in an understandable, pragmatic attempt during the Cold War to keep them within our sphere of influence, and out of the influence of the Soviet Union and communism. However, that had become counterproductive because these governments had spoonfed their people a constant diet of anti-American, anti-Western, and anti-Semitic propaganda to create external boogey-men for their native Muslim populations to focus on, thereby relieving internal pressures against their own authoritarian, despotic, and non-democratic regimes. Despite the current attempt by Dems and liberals to convince us otherwise, the status quo and "containment" clearly were not working. The militant, Islamist, Wahabbist ideology that our supposed friends, the Saudis, were exporting had begun to bite us in our tails. In order to prevent another 9/11, the Bush administration determined that the US needed to alter our policy of supporting these regimes and we needed to promote democracies. History has shown us that democracies rarely, if ever, war against each other. Saddam was a threat in several ways, not just with regard to WMDs. As long as he was in power, he not only posed a risk of increasing his WMD stockpiles, restarting his WMD development programs, and obtaining Iraqi nukes one day, but he still posed a direct conventional threat to Iran, as well as to other countries in the Gulf. And as long as that threat remained in the region and on Iran's western border, there was little hope of any pro-democracy movements succeeding in Lebanon, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, Egypt or Syria, and the Iranian people would never feel secure enough to do what we hope they will do - stage their own pro-democracy Iranian revolution and THEMSELVES overthrow the mullahs who are clearly intent on developing their own nukes which they will use directly against Israel or against us via terrorist proxies. The war in Iraq offered several major elements in this strategy: 1) Getting rid of Saddam and the threats he posed, conventional or WMD. 2) Coupled with the fall of the Taliban in Afghanistan and the establishment of a more democratic government under Kharzai, a democratic regime in Iraq would allow the US and our coalition allies to support pro-democracy factions within Iran that would pressure the mullahs, and hopefully encourage the Iranian people THEMSELVES to overthrow the mullahs. 3) If all of that failed, to provide staging areas for military action against Iran. After 9/11, and considering the recent comments of Iran's hardline president, can anyone doubt what Iran will do with its nukes if it gets them? The problem has always been TIME. We're in a race against the clock to prevent Iran's possesion of nukes. Now, thanks to the opposition of our domestic Democrats, Iranian mullahs and their Syrian allies, as well as other despots in the region (including the UN) whose power and livelihoods are threatened by pro-democracy movements, have felt comfortable supporting the terrorists and other insurgents in Iraq. What was already a very compressed time frame to prevent Iranian possession of nukes has become even shorter. Now, with even the IAEA's Elbaradei predicting that Iran is only months away from their goal, almost all hope of overthrowing the mullahs before they obtain nukes is gone. If the Democrats get their wish, and the US withdraws forces from Iraq, we'll: 1) Never have the credibility to deter future enemies or to expect potential allies to trust us again. 2) Experience massive chaos in Iraq and throughout the Gulf region, paralleling or exceeding what we saw when we pulled out of Vietnam - reprisals against friendly Iraqis, refugees, loss of any pro-democratic movements, regional instability, etc. 3) Leave Iraq and the region open for takeover by Al Qaeda as a sanctuary, just like Afghanistan was under the Taliban, in which they can train countless future terrorists and from which they can launch future attacks against the US. Of course, the Dems know all this. No one can be so myopic or short-sighted that they don't recognize the dangers inherent in failing to achieve our objectives in Iraq. The only possible explanation is that the Dems want the US to fail, but not just to "hurt Bush" and score electoral points. They want the US to fail because they WANT all these negative possibilities to come true. Why? To destroy the US's position as the sole superpower and defender of democracy and freedom. They hope that in the power vacuum that follows, the world will look to a supra-national, global organization like the United Nations to provide security, government, redistribution of wealth, and protection of the environment. Can anyone of us on the political Right imagine anything worse than a corrupt, morally repugnant UN as a global government and sole "protector" of our civil liberties and human rights? Scary. We must do everything to prevent this. We are indeed in a global war. But this is a much broader conflict, and Iraq is merely one battle in this larger campaign - which is social, ideological, cultural, and political, as well as military.
 
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