We're the Military and Airpower Guys of Jonah Goldberg of National Review Online + a stray we found wandering around looking lost. All original material JHD, BHD, JR, WT, and KA 2003-2010 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/11/heres_food_for_thought.html Sat, 24 Mar 2012 15:58:53 Z Movable Type 4.12 en Copyright 2012 http://www.rssboard.org/rss-specification Some caveats - it's an edited, translated piece, I have no idea what was lost, nor what the editor/translator left out or possibly added. Taken at face value, the author of the piece tars with a wide brush, and, I suspect, unfairly so - and skates into the same thin arguments and attitudes that characterized much of Jim Crow here in the US. But with those caveats it represents an interesting take on the subject, if not offering any solutions. There is much that is arguable here. So, argue it. All the usual rules apply - and as you all... http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/11/heres_food_for_thought.html http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/11/heres_food_for_thought.html Fri, 18 Nov 2005 10:00:46 -0600 SangerM: the old "fake, but accurate" ploy? Diabolical... Heh. http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/11/heres_food_for_thought.html#comment-34927 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/11/heres_food_for_thought.html#comment-34927 Sat, 19 Nov 2005 02:21:11 -0600 Leaving aside questions of the article's authenticity (maybe Snopes will start a special European section soon) what strikes me about this piece is the despair expressed. If it is by a European, journalist or not, then it may be indicative of a more general concern or alarm at where their culture is heading. A concern which is probably well founded. As long as I can recall, the US has been going to hell in a handbasket forever so I am not so inclined to accept predictions of doom from anyone. On the other hand, the general situation in Europe does appear to be deteriorating, and uncertainty on how to handle immigration is only one part of their looming can of worms. http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/11/heres_food_for_thought.html#comment-34924 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/11/heres_food_for_thought.html#comment-34924 Sat, 19 Nov 2005 01:19:15 -0600 TIBS.]]> http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/11/heres_food_for_thought.html#comment-34912 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/11/heres_food_for_thought.html#comment-34912 Fri, 18 Nov 2005 14:47:27 -0600 Barb - A lot of hits on Señor Vilar Rodriguez, but usually in connection with articles in medical journals. Oh, yeah. And one as a signatory of a petition demanding that the government declare Galatia a disaster area and clean up the rotting fish... http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/11/heres_food_for_thought.html#comment-34909 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/11/heres_food_for_thought.html#comment-34909 Fri, 18 Nov 2005 13:56:06 -0600 Boq - Does the author show up with other articles at all? http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/11/heres_food_for_thought.html#comment-34908 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/11/heres_food_for_thought.html#comment-34908 Fri, 18 Nov 2005 13:48:02 -0600 My first concern is this suggestion that there is a place, a homogeneity, called Europe to which this applies. Where is it? When I worked in Poland concerns in my neck of the woods were on the Kaszubians in the next county - nothing big picture. When I hear about the city in the old country my parents came from it is only about how one side of town boiled a bell to repair it and how the other hung a horse for killing a person - again local concerns. So when did Europe-town come into being such that it can take the fall as one for its collective failings? http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/11/heres_food_for_thought.html#comment-34906 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/11/heres_food_for_thought.html#comment-34906 Fri, 18 Nov 2005 13:32:06 -0600 could have been true, so what matters if it wasn't? Eh? ]]> http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/11/heres_food_for_thought.html#comment-34902 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/11/heres_food_for_thought.html#comment-34902 Fri, 18 Nov 2005 12:49:29 -0600 Hence all my caveats. http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/11/heres_food_for_thought.html#comment-34894 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/11/heres_food_for_thought.html#comment-34894 Fri, 18 Nov 2005 11:56:16 -0600 Thesis: Europe is Racist! Anthisesis: No; we are not! Retort, Thesis: Yes you are, look at Auschwitz. Reaction, Anthisesis: O.K. to show you how un-racist we are, we are to embrace the Muslim World Synthesis: Gutted Soul of Europe. Funny thing is that I did a quick search on both Sr. Villar Rodríguez and Auschwitz on all Calanonian Newspaper Websites, and could not find the original article in neither Catalonian nor Castillian. Something fishy going on here.]]> http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/11/heres_food_for_thought.html#comment-34892 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/11/heres_food_for_thought.html#comment-34892 Fri, 18 Nov 2005 11:50:38 -0600 Comrades, Yeah... what he said. Over here we have a moto: E Pluribus Unum. "Out of many, one". Europe's enlightened aristocracy, birthing from it's leftist, socialistic gene pool, clings to it's own varient: E Pluribus Maxima Pluribus. "Out of many, many more". There are quite a few over here who seek to emulate that idea. They continue to refer to us Americans with a something-hyphen, as if grouping us all into neat little catagories somehow makes sense. Our nation's tradition is one of assimilation. We are all Americans. But some want us to be Euro-Americans, or Irish-Americans, etc. That's Europe's philosophy and you can see where it has taken them. The last great society to try this out laster from 1928-1945. They also divided people into ethnic groups, and didn't stop there. Religion, political affiliation, etc were all fair game. I don't want that over here. That's why whenever I'm asked about my ancestry, I reply "American". Sometimes, I'll just say Mutt.... I'm kind of proud of that "melting pot" thing. Respects, AW1 Time http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/11/heres_food_for_thought.html#comment-34889 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/11/heres_food_for_thought.html#comment-34889 Fri, 18 Nov 2005 11:39:01 -0600 Yeah, well... Tough for the poor Europeans. That's why I'm American and not Russian (or more likely, non-existant). No pity here. I hope the realization and the result hurts like hell! http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/11/heres_food_for_thought.html#comment-34880 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/11/heres_food_for_thought.html#comment-34880 Fri, 18 Nov 2005 10:27:40 -0600