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  <title>Comments for The way to the Armorer&apos;s Good Graces...</title>
  <subtitle>We&apos;re the Military and Airpower Guys of Jonah Goldberg of National Review Online + a stray we found wandering around looking lost.  All original material JHD, BHD, JR, WT,  and KA 2003-2007</subtitle>
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    <published>2005-08-30T18:12:23Z</published>
    <updated>2006-11-11T16:53:13Z</updated>
    <title>The way to the Armorer&apos;s Good Graces...</title>
    <summary>...is via firepower. Something SWWBO knows well, having bought me this for Christmas before we got married, and *this* after, and not being annoyed by this or this or this. Now comes AFSis, fresh from New York. (Happy Anniversary, kiddo!) And she sends this, a 24 pounder in Castle Clinton... who could ask for more? Heh. Mebbe cannon with a Cute Chick©? Like this?...</summary>
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      <name>The Armorer</name>
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      <![CDATA[<p>...is via firepower.</p>

<p>Something <b><a href="http://www.thedonovan.com/beth"target=_blank>SWWBO</a></b> knows well, having bought me <b><a href="http://www.fototime.com/EF29868A69A7E2C/standard.jpg"target=_blank>this</a></b> for Christmas before we got married, and *<b><a href="http://www.fototime.com/6132905F79354DD/standard.jpg"target=_blank>this</a></b>* after, and not being annoyed by <b><a href="http://www.fototime.com/263E9807FA23C45/standard.jpg"target=_blank>this</a></b> or <b><a href="http://www.fototime.com/5FB92F5B0CE3468/standard.jpg"target=_blank>this</a></b> or <a href="http://www.fototime.com/3E26AB24A50253A/standard.jpg"target=_blank><b>this</b></a>.</p>

<p>Now comes AFSis, <b><a href="http://mysideofthepuddle.blogspot.com/2005/08/give-my-regards-to-broadway.html"target=_blank>fresh from New York</a></b>. (Happy Anniversary, kiddo!)</p>

<p>And she sends this, a 24 pounder in <b><a href="http://www.nps.gov/cacl/">Castle Clinton</a></b>... who could ask for more?</p>

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<p>Heh.  Mebbe cannon with a Cute Chick©?  <b><a href="http://www.fototime.com/0559193B59CEA34/orig.jpg"target=_blank>Like this</a></b>?</p>]]>
      
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    <id>tag:www.thedonovan.com,2005://1.4564-comment:31391</id>
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    <title>Comment from Cricket on 2005-09-01</title>
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        <name>Cricket</name>
        
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        Darnitall.  I hate when that happens.  Otay.  
Third question:  So, caliber or weight isn&apos;t always
consistent?

You can have a four hundred pound cannon fire and ten pound round?
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    <published>2005-09-01T19:46:06Z</published>
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    <id>tag:www.thedonovan.com,2005://1.4564-comment:31390</id>
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    <title>Comment from Cricket on 2005-09-01</title>
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        <name>Cricket</name>
        
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        So, to get the caliber, you divide the length of the barrel by the width of the diameter of the barrel?

Is that like &apos;sizing up a weapon?&apos;


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    <published>2005-09-01T19:43:52Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from John of Argghhh! on 2005-09-01</title>
    <author>
        <name>John of Argghhh!</name>
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        Cannon is both singular and plural.  Cannons is also acceptable.

When you see a gun referred to as a 6 pounder, 10 pounder, 12 pounder, 18 pounder, etc, that refers to weight of the &quot;standard&quot; round, normally solid shot, though in later eras it would refer to the standard HE round (such as the 18 pounder howitzer of the Brit Army in WWI).

Caliber references bore diameter, and you&apos;ll see that in two fashions.  One, the generic 105mm or 8 Inch designations, for example.  You will also see guns classified as 5inch/38 caliber,5inch/54 caliber, and 5inch/62 Caliber.  This is more common in Naval service, where there might be several different versions of a cannon in service.  The second number is barrel length expressed in terms of barrel diameter... in the terms of you normals, barrel length divided by barrel diameter.

Ground artillery makes those distinctions as well, but in Army usage it rarely makes it into the nomenclature, the Army preferring to use the &quot;M&quot; number, such as the M110 vice the M110A2 howiters, which had 8inch cannon of differing lengths.
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    <published>2005-09-01T17:22:25Z</published>
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    <id>tag:www.thedonovan.com,2005://1.4564-comment:31378</id>
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    <title>Comment from Cricket on 2005-09-01</title>
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        LOL.  I love old cannons.  What is the correct plural for them anyway?

Now, in our history lesson for today, we were watching the history channel and one of the Child Labor Units was impressed with a huge cannon.  He asks the Armorer this:

Was the gauge of the cannon determined by the weight and size of the cannonball?  IOW, was it called a ten pounder or a 400 pounder because the ammo weighed that much?

We can look it up, but I would rather have an answer from someone who has not only been an artillery officer but has studied them closely
as it related to his profession.

Thank you.


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    <published>2005-09-01T16:35:31Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from AFSister on 2005-08-31</title>
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        <name>AFSister</name>
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        Oh yeah!  Go for it Beth!
Good thing Cricket is so far away- she might wrestle you for that Vickers spot....

And thanks for the compliments guys... very nice.
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    <published>2005-08-31T14:11:27Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from John of Argghhh! on 2005-08-31</title>
    <author>
        <name>John of Argghhh!</name>
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        Argghhh!  Now we&apos;re letting Canadians vote on domestic policy?


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    <published>2005-08-31T13:42:21Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from cw4(ret)billt on 2005-08-31</title>
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        *glancing up and counting*

*gazing over the assemblage*

Motion has been made, seconded and those in favor have been heard. Any
 
*flicking thumb-latch of shoulder holster*

opposed?

The &quot;ayes&quot; have it. Polish up the Vickers, John...
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    <published>2005-08-31T13:25:42Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from J.M. Heinrichs on 2005-08-30</title>
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        Yes!

Yes!

Yes!

Cheers
JMH
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    <published>2005-08-31T02:35:41Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from beth on 2005-08-30</title>
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        hmm.  John dear, perhaps I should pose with the Vickers?

he he he.
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    <published>2005-08-31T02:33:21Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from cw4(ret)billt on 2005-08-30</title>
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        Eat yer heart out, Jane Fonda! The Castle&apos;s got the Kitty with *real* firepower...
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    <published>2005-08-30T20:31:51Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Boquisucio on 2005-08-30</title>
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        <name>Boquisucio</name>
        
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        Hubba-hubba - a 3&quot;/50 Packing Mama!!!

Who could ask for anything more.
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    <published>2005-08-30T18:49:39Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from AFSister on 2005-08-30</title>
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        *laughing*
I thought you&apos;d get a kick out of those pix....
I should have more up later today, along with your military history lesson for the day.
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    <published>2005-08-30T18:36:48Z</published>
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