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  <title>Comments for TF160 and the SEALS in Afghanistan.</title>
  <subtitle>We&apos;re the Military and Airpower Guys of Jonah Goldberg of National Review Online + a stray we found wandering around looking lost.  All original material JHD, BHD, JR, WT,  and KA 2003-2010</subtitle>
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    <published>2005-08-18T15:49:54Z</published>
    <updated>2006-11-11T16:53:11Z</updated>
    <title>TF160 and the SEALS in Afghanistan.</title>
    <summary>From an email: By the way, the Afghan family that hid the SEAL survivor is now out of Afghanistan and safe. FYI: Bert has been stationed in Afghanistan for a year and is coming home this week. He just completed his last mountain mission before returning and should be on his way home. Read the account of the attached letter concerning the SEALs. -----Original Message----- FINAL UPDATE, 18 JULY 2005 Hello everyone, this is my final update. Let me start by telling you that I am in excellent health and in good spirits. I apologize for not keeping you informed...</summary>
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      <![CDATA[<p>From an email:</p>

<blockquote>
By the way, the Afghan family that hid the SEAL survivor is now out of Afghanistan and safe.

<p><br />
FYI: Bert has been stationed in  Afghanistan for a year and is coming home this week. He just completed  his last mountain mission before returning and should be on his way  home. Read the account of the attached letter concerning the SEALs. </p>

<p> -----Original Message-----</p>

<p> FINAL UPDATE, 18 JULY 2005</p>

<p>           Hello everyone, this is my final update.  Let me start by  telling you that I am in excellent health and in good spirits.   I  apologize for not keeping you informed these last few months but our  operational tempo was too high and our operational security did not  allow me to share with you what missions we were conducting.  When I  return home I hope to sit down and write about our spring offensive  here. However I will share with you that my team in Farah captured  Mullah Sultan who was a mid level Taliban leader and a target that we had been searching for several months.  He is still being interrogated  in Afghanistan but should be making the long journey to GITMO (providing  it is still open) very soon.20</p>

<p>           I will be home in a couple of weeks and plan to have a party  around Labor Day weekend so please mark you calendars because I would  love to see you there.  This update will be extremely short but I do  want to close it by telling you some insight about the SEAL Team and  Night Stalker tragedy that occurred a few weeks ago.  By now you have  heard a lot about what happen but I really want share how significant  that event was to the soldiers on the ground here and to explain in my  opinion why I feel it is important that all Americans continue the fight  for freedom.</p>

<p>           Before I explain what happen to the SEALs, I want to thank you  all for your prayers, emails, care packages, yard work and all the  things that you did for me in my family while I have been deployed. The  support from my friends and neighbors has been incredible and humbling.   Your support has helped me to endure this incredibly long year and to  concentrate on what I was doing here with minimum worrying about Pam and  "A".  Thank you all from the bottom of my heart.</p>

<p>           The Naval Special Forces (NAVSOF) team that was involved in  the operation in Kunar Province had been traveling throughout   Afghanistan conducting apprehend or kill missions against Al Qaeda and  Taliban operatives.  They had worked with us for two weeks, three weeks  before the events on June 28.  While working with our teams, they  attempted to take out a high value Taliban target and missed him by  hours.  This operation was conducted in the Zerico Valley which has been  one of our hot spots.  We provided the outer ring security for the SEALs  with Afghan National Army soldiers and ETTs while the SEALs conducted  the compound assault.  We missed the big target but did get some mid  level guys so the mission was not a total bust.  The NAVSOF guys are the  best of the best, not cocky simply professionals in every way, we call  them operators.</p>

<p>           On June 28 a four man SEAL reconnaissance team was trying to  locate Taliban in the dense mountainous and forested area of the Kunar  Province of Afghanistan.  They were trying to identify routes that the  bad guys use to enter from Pakistan.  The targeting information would be  used to direct U.S. and Afghan forces who would interdict and destroy  those enemy forces.  The SEALs were spotted and engaged by a large force  of Taliban some where between 25-50 insurgents.   The Taliban who are  still alive and fighting in Afghanistan are very good combatants.   Unlike Iraq Arabs, they are not suicidal and they use good small unit  tactics.  The bad guys used Rocket Propel Grenades (RPGs), mortars and  small arms to attack the SEALs.  The team set up a 360 degree defense  and called in [redacted] (troops in contact) back to their operational  base.  The command and control headquarters for U.S. Forces in  Afghanistan moved a Predator unmanned drone over the battle location.  The SEALs were located by the predator by their locator beacon and the  infrared camera system of the drone. 20</p>

<p> <br />
           The headquarters could see that the TEAM was encircled by bad  guys and that the enemy was too close to the SEALs to use Air force  close air support.  A weather front was rapidly coming into the area and  the SEAL Commander  a Lieutenant Commander ask permission to launch his  quick reaction force to go rescue his men. The commander of the Task  Force 160th (the Night Stalkers) agreed to fly the mission. The Night  Stalkers are the Army's Special Operations air wing.  They specialize in  high risk insertion and extraction at night.   It was not night fall yet  and the command hesitated because sending the special operation birds  into the area in the light was very risky.  The Generals look at the  screen that was giving a live feed of the fire fight, they saw that the  SEALs were surrounded, they did not see a way for them to escape, a weather front was coming, it was dusk but not dark yet and time for the  trapped men was running out.</p>

<p>           Leadership requires having the guts to make a decision, based  on analysis and forethought.  You must totally recognize the risk and be  ready to accept the results.  The general in charge made the right call,  he had to try to rescue the operators, we as American soldiers can not   leave our people on the battlefield, every Airman, Marine, Sailor, Coast  Guardsmen and Soldier has to know that when you go down range and things  go wrong keep fighting and help will come.</p>

<p>           The decision was made, two CH 47 Chinook helicopters headed  toward the SEALs.  The CH 47 is a large aircraft but it is fast for a  helicopter, able to fly at 170 knots.  The aircraft entered the  mountains flying at 50 feet above the ground with 16 men aboard.  All  four SEALs were still alive and fighting an unbelievable battle.  As the  lead bird approached the landing zone they started to slow down and the  air speed dropped under 100 Knots, another group of Taliban, not engaged  in the initial firefight but in the area saw the aircraft and open fire  with small arms and RPG's.  The lead aircraft was hit by a RPG but the  aviator kept the bird in the air.  They were in the mountains; therefore  there was no clear place to land.  He flew for about a mile and saw a  ledge that he could try to put the bird down on.  The CH 47 landed on  the ledge hard, they almost made it.  The hard landing and the  palpitations of the rotors were too much for the small landing zone and  weak ground.  It was their time, the aircraft rolled off of the ledge on  to its side and down the mountain into the valley below.  8 SEALs and 8 aviators from TF 160th were gone.</p>

<p>           The other aircraft could not land in the hot landing zone and were called back.  There was not enough time to try to secure the area because the weather front moved in and night fall fell. The SEALs kept fighting and used the cover of darkness to crawl out of the initial  enemy lines.  The SEALs were engaged again and had a running gun battle  for over two hours.  The SEAL that survived was knocked unconscious by a  mortar round and found that he was alone when he woke up.  Two of his  team members were dead close by, and the last team member was missing.  They had dropped all none essential gear during their escape therefore  all contact with them was lost.  Eventually the surviving SEAL ran into  a villager who took him to his house.  That shepherd, at great risk to  himself, protected the SEAL until he could be moved six hours away to  the nearest U.S. forces that the villager was aware of.</p>

<p>           The loss of the operators really broke the hearts of all us deployed down range.  Losing men of that quality and dedication is bad  enough one at a time, but to lose so many, so fast was hard to  comprehend.  But after the shock had worn off and we got the true story  of what happen we took solace.  You see every one did what they supposed  to on that day, the SEAL recon team kept fighting, the SEAL commander  went to get his shipmates, the Night  Stalkers volunteered to fly in to  harms way to rescue their brothers in arms and the generals had the guts  to make the right decision.  That is all you can ask for out here, it is  what it is and everything else is god's will. </p>

<p>           I have had the pleasure of serving with some unbelievable men  and woman in the last year.  Folks from 18 to 59 (yes 59).  It has been  an honor.  I really appreciated America before I came to Afghanistan but  this experience has truly opened my eyes to how bless my life has been.   Folks I know this is a cliche', but freedom is not free.  Embrace it,  respect it and don't ever stop fighting for it. These people over here  are far from free, but we have given them a taste of it.  We need to  ensure that we don't give up the fight because to do so would be to  dishonor all the men and woman who have died to ensure we remain free.   Freedom is contagious, with it, out goes tyranny.  The evil people that  attack America on September 11th were not free because if they were,  they would not have cared what another's persons beliefs are they would  simply accept them for what they are and moved on.  Please continue to  pray for all the soldiers in Afghanistan and Iraq, don't stop praying  for me because I am still here, and your prayers have been working so  keep it up, I don't to mess up a good thing.  I will be home soon, God  bless you all, God bless America and thanks again, goodbye</p>

<p>Cheers, Bert</p>

<p></p>

<p>Duct tape is like The Force. It has a light and dark side, and it binds the universe together.<br />
</blockquote></p>

<p>H/t, Mike L.</p>

<p>Leave no man behind.</p>

<p>For a genuine Operator's perspective on this story, <b><a href="http://froggyruminations.blogspot.com/2005/08/trying-to-understand-loss.html">go visit Froggy Ruminations</a></b>.</p>

<p>Update: a commenter, BSFlag, raises a concern about this email.  I'm fine with that - but if you essentially want me to pull something, you're gonna hafta give me a real email address.  If you don't want to comment publicly, fine - I can be reached by the email address links in the sidebar.</p>]]>
      
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    <title>Comment from cw4billt on 2005-08-19</title>
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        <![CDATA["<i>I got to this blog by tracing back a blog that has a family member of one of the fallen asking questions....questions they don't need to be asking because it puts a doubt in their mind about something their loved one did or didn't do, felt or didn't feel, knew or didn't know, etc. that doesn't deserve to be there.</i>"

Every time I've had the gut-wrench of speaking with those Left Behind, I've answered their questions about the circumstances surrounding the deaths of their Soldiers to the best of my ability. They want to know, not from some morbid curiosity, but because the empathy it evokes in them, a feeling of having been close when the end came. A last intimacy, a final touching, and each one thanked me for being honest with them.

Sorry, "Flag," but they <b>do</b> need to ask those questions and they need the <b>answers</b> just as urgently...  
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    <published>2005-08-19T17:13:23Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from John of Argghhh! on 2005-08-19</title>
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        BS - here&apos;s my problem... 

I stated my source, an email, and offered little other comment.

Now I have you coming in and essentially telling me that it&apos;s bullshit, you know better, and I really oughta just pull it off, and STFU because I don&apos;t know what I&apos;m doing.

Okay.

And you are credible because...?  You left a bounce-back email address, and sent no follow-up email that would allow a discussion on the subject.  So, now I have a he-said, she-said situation, where I *do* at least know the sources of the email where the bit came from.

So, now I&apos;m supposed to pull something because an anonymous emailer asks me to?  See my problem?

Unlike the edit suggestions (though it&apos;s past the time the Googlebot comes by) from Froggy, whom I know by reputation and can reach directly, you are just ghost in the machine.

Gimme more than that, and I might well take it down - but it&apos;s *all* over the .mil email system and beyond.

And no, I *don&apos;t* need the BS that &quot;I&apos;m an operator, I can&apos;t divulge that stuff&quot; crapola either.  There are ways to establish bona-fides among those of us on the inside of the .mil firewalls that don&apos;t reveal anything that should be kept locked up.

If you&apos;re serious, drop me a line.
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    <published>2005-08-19T15:11:14Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from BSFlag on 2005-08-19</title>
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        While I appreciate the sentiment expressed in this story, it is factually incorrect and should not be passed off as fact.  Perhaps a better approach would be to say this is what I heard or this is what I think happened.  I KNOW the facts.  I got to this blog by tracing back a blog that has a family member of one of the fallen asking questions....questions they don&apos;t need to be asking because it puts a doubt in their mind about something their loved one did or didn&apos;t do, felt or didn&apos;t feel, knew or didn&apos;t know, etc. that doesn&apos;t deserve to be there.  Patience is something sorely missing in the world today.  I have no doubt that all the facts will be known soon enough.  Until that time, please do not pass rumors as fact.  While patriotic and nice to read and comment on, it also tears apart grieving families who are still reeling from the tragic loss of such fine men.


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    <title>Comment from Froggy on 2005-08-19</title>
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        You should probably edit the name and descriptions of the author.  Execution checklist prowords are not good to put out on the web either.  He shouldn&apos;t have emailed it to whoever, but since he did it would be good to edit it out.  Just my 2 cents.
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    <title>Comment from msg keith on 2005-08-18</title>
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        good news travels fast. you beat me to it.

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    <title>Comment from BloodSpite on 2005-08-18</title>
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        now THAt rocks!
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