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All right... since a lot of you are taking off early...

By The Armorer on July 1, 2005 | | Comments (14)

...for the holiday (and, since the Armorer's father has just had surgery (he's fine), Armorer-posting will be light... so perhaps Dusty and Bill will take up the slack (hint, hint).

Meantime - here are two relatively rare cartridges. Grognards - state your determination in a comment *then* check the comments and see what other people think. All six (maybe) of you who will try, anyway! 8^D

These cartridges are interesting in themselves, and represent special or rare applications.

This is the easy one (I think):

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This is harder, though I'm sure the Googler's will score it - there's enough info in that headstamp to lead you to the answer. Boq will probably get it without the assistance of Google.

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Here they are with a Win 32.20 for comparson.

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Since they've *both* been indentified - might as well give a shot of the bullet hiding in the depths of the Nagant round:

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Hmmm. I think there's a post in there somewhere... with pictures of Nagants, cartridges... and just how *does* a gas seal revolver work...

Trivia note: Actual fire command given in Soviet manual for the pistol:

At the fleeing deserter - Fire!

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By R Shapiro on July 1, 2005 7:42 AM
Best guesses: 38/55 Black Powder brass 1943??? Winchester made 45/70 GVT. It looks like a military brass to me, being annealed and with a lacquered primer pocket. I don't get the 1943. I would have thought all the Trapdoor Springfield rifles had been retired by then!
 
By ALa on July 1, 2005 7:56 AM
Has a girl ever gotten one of these? Well, I'm feeling risqué this morning so I'm going to give the 1943 a whirl... Is it a .45 Government line throwing blank? Just wondering...
 
By John of Argghhh! on July 1, 2005 8:50 AM
No, a girl has never gotten one of these... yet.
 
By Shadow on July 1, 2005 9:22 AM
The 45/70 is either a blank used in a line throwing gun or as an impulse charge for a cable cutter used in minesweeping I imagine.
 
By John of Argghhh! on July 1, 2005 9:25 AM
ALa wins, being first (and the first girl ever to win, too)... Shadow is correct, as well. And here I thought you'd all get the first one quicker than the second. Shows why I don't play the stock market much. My prognostication skillz are weak.
 
By Roger Ritter on July 1, 2005 2:05 PM
Could the other one be a 7.62 Nagant cartridge? That odd taper at the end of the case sure looks like one.
 
By John of Argghhh! on July 1, 2005 2:11 PM
And Roger comes in with the other! Good job!
 
By ~Jen~ on July 1, 2005 4:03 PM
*high fives Ala*
 
By Justthisguy on July 2, 2005 6:08 AM
Just to confirm ALa's win, here's a quote from Frank C. Barnes, "Cartridges of the World", 7th Edition, page 445, continued onto page 446: Cartridge, Caliber .45, Blank Line Throwing M32 Case: Brass Primer: Non-mercuric, non-corrosive Propellant: Commercial Ballistics: Pressure: 20,000 psi Ident: No bullet, rimmed long case, ".45 M32" stamped on head of case. Note: This cartridge used with Lyle life saving gun, Cal 45/70
 
By John of Argghhh! on July 2, 2005 8:08 AM
Heh. As if *my* word is insufficient? But your quote does *not* in a technical sense, support her contention - the cartridge in question is *clearly* marked Mk1, not Mk32. So there!
 
By Justthisguy on July 2, 2005 9:07 AM
Mr. Barnes died during the preparation of that edition, which was finished by somebody else. Maybe he had a buncha stuff on his mind at that time, and couldn't quite get every detail exactly right? Not to snark or nuthin, just bein' pedantic. Perseverance!
 
By John of Argghhh! on July 2, 2005 9:43 AM
JTG - I'm sure Barnes was correct... I'm just pointing out that it *wasn't* the round in question, is all!
 
By Neffi on July 2, 2005 7:06 PM
...I like my 45/70 cartridges stuffed with a 405 grain semi-jacketed semi-wadcutter, shot from a M1886 Winchester (black powder, eh?). What that does to a watermelon is kinda obscene...
 
By Boquisucio on July 5, 2005 7:50 AM
Aw shucks - Missed the contest. Serves me well for being AWOL for a few days. Purty Brass - purty brass!