We're the Military and Airpower Guys of Jonah Goldberg of National Review Online + a stray we found wandering around looking lost. All original material JHD, BHD, JR, WT, and KA 2003-2007 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/06/dayton_ohio_day_1.html Sun, 03 Aug 2008 17:21:31 Z Movable Type 4.12 en Copyright 2008 http://www.rssboard.org/rss-specification Got here yesterday, spent the afternoon at the Air Force Museum (I'm with Mythilt, the new name is pretty pretentious, all things considered - even if it might be true...) Mythilt is also correct in that can't do it justice in one afternoon - or day, really. Heck, I filled up a one-gig memory card in the camera and didn't get all the pictures I'd have liked. And that doesn't count all the little film presentations scattered around. I did see the IMAX movie "Fighter Pilot," which was well worth the price of admission. I also got to meet AFSis!... http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/06/dayton_ohio_day_1.html http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/06/dayton_ohio_day_1.html Tue, 21 Jun 2005 05:57:00 -0600 Now you know what it's like to be the "The Owner" and make an insightful, intellectual post, only to have the comments hi-jacked by some golf-course hating Floridian, morphing it into a discussion of 'type' or somesuch... 8^D http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/06/dayton_ohio_day_1.html#comment-28047 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/06/dayton_ohio_day_1.html#comment-28047 Wed, 29 Jun 2005 06:26:54 -0600 Sigh! I make an insightful, intellectual comment about bomb shapes, and it falls off the edge of the Earth. I make a silly social comment about two-seat dive bombers, and it starts a whole new thread by The Owner. It ain't fair, I tellya! http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/06/dayton_ohio_day_1.html#comment-28036 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/06/dayton_ohio_day_1.html#comment-28036 Tue, 28 Jun 2005 23:53:17 -0600 ALa- I tried the SWWBO route too... with no luck. DRAT! http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/06/dayton_ohio_day_1.html#comment-27646 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/06/dayton_ohio_day_1.html#comment-27646 Wed, 22 Jun 2005 22:26:26 -0600 Funny about the well-streamlined shapes those bombs have. They look like the ones designed in the '20s. Then, in the Second World War, one sees that we went for size over shape. Later, with jets, and hanging them on the outside of the airplane again, we went for slippery shapes again. http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/06/dayton_ohio_day_1.html#comment-27578 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/06/dayton_ohio_day_1.html#comment-27578 Wed, 22 Jun 2005 01:57:07 -0600 Barb, I think the Naval Aviation Museum has an SBD, which has a back seat. It has a radar, lotsa radios, a coupla machine guns, even stick and rudder pedals and a few instruments back there. Lots of stuff to *amuse* the harried rear-seat(wo)man. I think there's even one in private hands (though I think it's actually a repainted A-24) which you might conceivably get a ride in after a sizeable donation to the Confed- oops - Commemorative Air Force. http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/06/dayton_ohio_day_1.html#comment-27575 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/06/dayton_ohio_day_1.html#comment-27575 Wed, 22 Jun 2005 01:50:47 -0600 HAH! The blogosphere is not yet ready for the "secret file" photos of JoA... and I expect SWWBO keeps those to herself anyhoo heh http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/06/dayton_ohio_day_1.html#comment-27567 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/06/dayton_ohio_day_1.html#comment-27567 Tue, 21 Jun 2005 22:45:34 -0600 We discussed that last night... she doesn't *know* where the good ones are... just the buckethead ones. http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/06/dayton_ohio_day_1.html#comment-27565 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/06/dayton_ohio_day_1.html#comment-27565 Tue, 21 Jun 2005 22:05:33 -0600 I don't need the pics from AFSis...maybe I have already made arangements with your Other! *evil laighter* *winks at SWWBO* http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/06/dayton_ohio_day_1.html#comment-27564 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/06/dayton_ohio_day_1.html#comment-27564 Tue, 21 Jun 2005 21:58:30 -0600 Star Wars while standing below the Valkyrie and looking forward along its underside. Oh, and don't forget the Memorial Garden outside next to the parking lots. Last time I was there it was about a half-acre or so of ground full of trees and small memorials placed by veterans of USAAF units in the Second World War, in tribute to their units and to their comrades who didn't make it back. ]]> http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/06/dayton_ohio_day_1.html#comment-27560 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/06/dayton_ohio_day_1.html#comment-27560 Tue, 21 Jun 2005 17:20:33 -0600 ...with beef prices the way they are, I might be doing more than just scaring them. That thing packs twin .30s heh http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/06/dayton_ohio_day_1.html#comment-27559 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/06/dayton_ohio_day_1.html#comment-27559 Tue, 21 Jun 2005 17:09:48 -0600 Oh, and good point John - especially when Neffi comes by, scaring the livestock! http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/06/dayton_ohio_day_1.html#comment-27558 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/06/dayton_ohio_day_1.html#comment-27558 Tue, 21 Jun 2005 15:42:13 -0600 I ran out of memory before I got to the Valkyrie. They have very few aircraft out in the open anymore. After I get a chance to process (i.e., make smaller) the pic (we're talking days to weeks here, over 500 so far) I'll slap 'em into an album and put up a link. http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/06/dayton_ohio_day_1.html#comment-27557 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/06/dayton_ohio_day_1.html#comment-27557 Tue, 21 Jun 2005 15:11:22 -0600 Yeap, current plans are to add a fourth hangar and a 'class room' hangar starting sometime next year I believe. http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/06/dayton_ohio_day_1.html#comment-27555 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/06/dayton_ohio_day_1.html#comment-27555 Tue, 21 Jun 2005 14:06:13 -0600 Mythilt, it HAS been a long time since I was there but they have evidently done some major expansion! http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/06/dayton_ohio_day_1.html#comment-27554 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/06/dayton_ohio_day_1.html#comment-27554 Tue, 21 Jun 2005 13:50:24 -0600 Got any crops need dustin'? http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/06/dayton_ohio_day_1.html#comment-27551 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/06/dayton_ohio_day_1.html#comment-27551 Tue, 21 Jun 2005 12:49:56 -0600 Wow, I really Like the P26 too. Minus the peas, I could use it. http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/06/dayton_ohio_day_1.html#comment-27550 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/06/dayton_ohio_day_1.html#comment-27550 Tue, 21 Jun 2005 12:38:26 -0600 TxAFbrat, the B-70 is now indoors along with the B-52. As they can they are moving the aircraft indoors where they can control the climate as needed. http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/06/dayton_ohio_day_1.html#comment-27549 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/06/dayton_ohio_day_1.html#comment-27549 Tue, 21 Jun 2005 12:01:13 -0600 Wow. I will pass on the IMAX Flight Movie. I don't do well in those kinds of theaters...and even the Grand Canyon gives me vertigo from the parking lot. I am glad you had a good time. http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/06/dayton_ohio_day_1.html#comment-27548 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/06/dayton_ohio_day_1.html#comment-27548 Tue, 21 Jun 2005 11:24:44 -0600 We were stationed at Wright-Pat in the mid-70's. I seem to remember the XB-70 being on display outside the museum. Is it still there? I thought it (and the SR-71) were the most gorgeous planes. I also remember my Dad, even though he was a helicopter pilot, made a point of taking us kids down to the flight line at Edwards to watch the B-70 land. Soon after, while he was in Vietnam ('65-'66), we were visiting Mom's family in Illinois and saw on the evening news about a chase plane and the B-70 colliding and crashing. We were back at Edwards by late '66 and got to see the B-70 several more times. Great plane. Great memories. http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/06/dayton_ohio_day_1.html#comment-27547 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/06/dayton_ohio_day_1.html#comment-27547 Tue, 21 Jun 2005 10:19:29 -0600 That is a cute plane, Neffi ... But how do you expect do give the Denizettes rides in it? No second seat ;-) John and AFSis swapping gossip, eh? Hmm - thought I felt my ears burning! http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/06/dayton_ohio_day_1.html#comment-27545 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/06/dayton_ohio_day_1.html#comment-27545 Tue, 21 Jun 2005 09:46:11 -0600 Hey Neff, The Massa found you a pocket Zoom-Zoom; lucky you. Can I have that purty Inertial Operating Tail Fuze??? I dont akse for much. http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/06/dayton_ohio_day_1.html#comment-27543 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/06/dayton_ohio_day_1.html#comment-27543 Tue, 21 Jun 2005 09:26:43 -0600 mmmm nice P-26...you know, we have a trucking dock out at work, John. If I wuz to send the address, and you were to pull some strings- you know, call in some favors at the Pentagon... http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/06/dayton_ohio_day_1.html#comment-27542 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/06/dayton_ohio_day_1.html#comment-27542 Tue, 21 Jun 2005 09:12:56 -0600 Hey John! It was so good to meet you last night! Very cool.... You should all meet him if you get the chance. Great Neffi-plane pic- why do I have the urge to break out into "Snoopy and the Red Baron"??? http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/06/dayton_ohio_day_1.html#comment-27541 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/06/dayton_ohio_day_1.html#comment-27541 Tue, 21 Jun 2005 08:04:10 -0600 Goblin. Just tickles my Science Fiction bone, images of a large carrier aircraft disgorging a couple dozen little planes like that......]]> http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/06/dayton_ohio_day_1.html#comment-27540 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/06/dayton_ohio_day_1.html#comment-27540 Tue, 21 Jun 2005 07:40:19 -0600 I like that little plane! http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/06/dayton_ohio_day_1.html#comment-27538 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/06/dayton_ohio_day_1.html#comment-27538 Tue, 21 Jun 2005 07:01:37 -0600 First step, aim ahead of the target ... Cheers JMH http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/06/dayton_ohio_day_1.html#comment-27537 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/06/dayton_ohio_day_1.html#comment-27537 Tue, 21 Jun 2005 06:56:19 -0600