Comments for A good idea, combined with Gun Pr0n!

A good idea, combined with Gun Pr0n!

2005-06-07T16:01:12Z

Over at Barking Moonbat Early Warning System the Skipper posts his idea on what to do about Darfur, while simultaneously helping in Iraq. We concur.

But what really caught our eye was the photograph of Darfurian Women and the Weapons They Like.

Go visit, and take a look. It's a collectors dream! I'm not posting the pic - play nice and go visit the skip - then come back and see if your list agrees with mine.

Lessee - in order front to rear..

German STG44
German/Italian Beretta MP38A SMG
Egyptian Hakim
Italian M91 Carcano Carbine
Two CZ52 Rifles (bayonets extended) Could be 52/57s...
Mauser
M14/M1A (Most likely a 14)
M49/56

I think I got 'em all...

I wouldn't want to be the G4 Ammo guy for this horde, however!

Hat tip to the Heartless Libertarian!

Comment from Boquisucio on 2005-06-08

2005-06-08T15:05:29Z

Well you know the saying: Birds of a feather...

Comment from SangerM on 2005-06-08

2005-06-08T14:49:19Z

"PPU has a footprint in Sunny Places for Shady People such as Boca Rat�n" Kinda makes you wonder, don't it. What were we saying about people finding their kind? I suppose it's just about the money in many cases.

Comment from John of Argghhh! on 2005-06-08

2005-06-08T14:37:13Z

We can do that!

Comment from Boquisucio on 2005-06-08

2005-06-08T12:51:20Z

Oh, and John: Would love to see a pic of the HeadStamp on that 7.5x45mm. Must be a beaut.

Comment from Boquisucio on 2005-06-08

2005-06-08T12:47:16Z

Well Neff, I know that there are many ways to skin a cat. But at least I sleep with a clean conscience at night. There's nothing like a good night sleep. Let's just say that just like the good merchants of another industry say: "I may sell it, but I don't use it". Back in the 80's before Yugoslavia became "Balkanized", PPU was a major player in the small arms ammo bidnez. We all know what happened in the 90's when they were forced to almost shut-down. And now that we are buddy-buddies again with the Serbs, there are all of these transport restrictions on the goods. Logisticly speaking, they are in a Bottleneck. They could rail their stuff out to their Adriatic Port of Bar. But there are very few common carriers that accept this HAZ Class. The few that do, tranship in ports that prohibit them (i.e. Taranto Italy, Marsaxlokk Malta, or any Spanish port). Thus you are forced to truck it accross the continent to Hamburg, Cherbourg, etc. That means that it has to receive transit permits through SFOR (overseer of Bosnia) Austria, Germany, Switzerland. Forget about Italy, Greece, or Rumania Bulgaria; there is Macedonia in the middle. Running a truck full of ammo through Macedonia would be like driving the Good Humor Truck through an elementary school at recess. Though tortuous, it can be done for sporting calibers, but anything remotely resembling military grade: Forgettaboutit! And yes, SangerM, PPU has a footprint in Sunny Places for Shady People such as Boca Rat�n, for it is there that outfits such as Century Arms do their business.

Comment from John of Argghhh! on 2005-06-07

2005-06-08T03:20:28Z

I can't speak for Neffi - but Boquisucio and I are, or have been, 'in the trade,' n'est ce pas?

Comment from SangerM on 2005-06-07

2005-06-08T03:11:58Z

John, Boq, and Neffi, you guys really just amaze the crap out of me. Really! How did you know about PPU!?! Are they a big ammo supplier or just a big 3rd world supplier. I noticed their US offices are in Boca Raton, Huntingon Beach, and Stratford, CT. Big import towns, those, eh? What a weird place this is....

Comment from Neffi on 2005-06-07

2005-06-08T03:09:19Z

And Boq... puh-leeze, buddy- don't consider arms supply to Africa in those narrow, regulated ways. The arms trade in Africa and the Middle East is carried on in ways far pre-dating aircraft and EUCs... the arms merchants have been running in guns and ammo to these areas for a long time now, and all the angles have been worked out. A touch of baksheesh is all that is required for that tramp steamer to land it's cargo of 'tractor parts' from Roumania or Hungary... air traffic is far too conspicuous for the trade. It's all done by sea, eh?

Comment from John of Argghhh! on 2005-06-07

2005-06-08T02:07:43Z

That's a Hakim (you can tell immediately from the muzzle break). As for the CZ52... I have 7.62x45 to the tune of 1500 rounds.

Comment from Boquisucio on 2005-06-07

2005-06-08T02:00:23Z

OOOOoooooh, Looove the challenge to fill-up the YaYa Squad's bucket-o-boom-boom�. Let's start with the easy ones: The MP38: Any TomDicknHarry (hence TDH) can drop a pile of 9x19mm 124gr. FMJ's. into the drum. All TDH has to worry about is that the load is the correct one in order to cycle the SMG. The Egyptian Hakim: This bad boy was chambered 7.92x57mm. If however, it is a Ljungman AG-42, then we are talking 6.5x55mm. The Carcano M1991: This LoverBoy kisses off 6.5x52Rmm The STG42 eats 7.92x33mm The MAS 49/56: Her diet is 7.5x54mm Believe it or not we can do almost a one stop shop for the Bucket-o-BoomBoom�. The good folks at Prvi Partisan - PPU makes all of the above calibers. Unless our CZ52/57, who usually likes 7.5x45mm hasn't been rechambered for 7.62x39mm, The Yaya Squad have them selves a purty Czech Club in their hands. Placing the order at PPU, is the easy part. The hard part is moving the Bucket-o-BoomBoom�, from Serbia to the Yaya Squad in Darfur. No common carrier wants to touch 1.4S HAZ Class Cargo with a 10foot Pole. Never mind the squimishness by the UN's SFOR, the Govm'ts of Austria and Germany to have this cargo transit through their soil. Best way is to charter an Antonov124 and go straight outta Beograd to the Yayas Camp. Though them AN-124's transport service do come at a purty penny; say at $250K.

Comment from Neffi on 2005-06-07

2005-06-08T00:49:57Z

[bows to SWWBO] Your wish, my lady... and the hurtful part is- if you showed up there with $50 cash and an AK to trade (probably $50-$100 in that region), I'll bet you could walk away with that StG... oh, ow...

Comment from Beth on 2005-06-07

2005-06-07T23:59:31Z

Dude - I will *kill* to keep the STG44 for myself!

Comment from Neffi on 2005-06-07

2005-06-07T23:09:00Z

Heh, Boq- 9 weapons, possibly 8 different cartridges depending on post-manufacture modifications... gotta be a nightmare for ya... -and after consulting "The Carcano- Italy's Military Rifle" by Richard Hobbs, that Carcano is either the M1891 or the M1938 carbine- impossible to tell from the pic, as calibre was the only diff. (and- to get a bit of bayo-geek stuff in here- there are nine different [known] attachment mechanisms for the permanently-mounted folding bayonets) oooooooooooohhhhh... I want that StG 44 so badly...

Comment from Boquisucio on 2005-06-07

2005-06-07T21:24:31Z

You could smell the burning taco-brain of mine, eh John? As always, the procurement fullfilment side of me working overtime.

Comment from Ashley Pomeroy on 2005-06-07

2005-06-07T19:01:47Z

And the irony is that, if this lady could sell her STG44 as a live, functioning firearm on the collector's market in America, she would be set up for life in the Sudan and could presumably buy a big mansion somewhere away from the fighting. This isn't the first photograph of third-ish militiapeople to feature an STG44; there was a photograph going the rounds a while back of Iraqi militiamen with STG44s modified to fire AK47 magazines, and there was a press shot in the 1970s by... Don McCullin or someone similar, taken in Biafra, or wherever, somewhere, of one of them. There.

Comment from John of Argghhh! on 2005-06-07

2005-06-07T18:53:57Z

Yer thinking too hard, Boq-me-boy, you really are!

Comment from Boquisucio on 2005-06-07

2005-06-07T18:51:11Z

Now what if they are all PMS'n at the same time? But seriously, would the Stg-44 still be chambered 7.92x33mm? And if so, who would still be making this caliber ammo? Something to ponder on supplying the bucket-o-ammo.

Comment from SangerM on 2005-06-07

2005-06-07T18:21:38Z

uh... yeah.... and lots of big sticks and a kitchen carving knife too.... Man, you guys are way too good. I AM impressed.

Comment from Neffi on 2005-06-07

2005-06-07T17:49:05Z

Good eye, John- though the Carcano could also be the TS carbine model. Gawd, that StG44- and in great shape, too...

Comment from Boquisuicio on 2005-06-07

2005-06-07T16:36:37Z

That job for the G4 should be a cinch. Just order a bucket-o-cartridges-in-a-drum, and there should be plenty of fun for all of them. I'll hafta research the NSN on that assorted drum though.