We're the Military and Airpower Guys of Jonah Goldberg of National Review Online + a stray we found wandering around looking lost. All original material JHD, BHD, JR, WT, and KA 2003-2010 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/05/condi_rice_on_the_2nd_amendment.html Sat, 24 Mar 2012 16:02:22 Z Movable Type 4.12 en Copyright 2012 http://www.rssboard.org/rss-specification Condi moved up several notches in my estimation of her suitability to be Prez. All emphasis in the quotes is mine. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, recalling how her father took up arms to defend fellow blacks from racist whites in the segregated South, said Wednesday the constitutional right of Americans to own guns is as important as their rights to free speech and religion. In an interview on CNN's "Larry King Live," Rice said she came to that view from personal experience. She said her father, a black minister, and his friends armed themselves to defended the black... http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/05/condi_rice_on_the_2nd_amendment.html http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/05/condi_rice_on_the_2nd_amendment.html Fri, 13 May 2005 08:22:49 -0600 I have suggested to several people that their kids be sent to hunter safety classes - never mind they aren't going hunting - just to get the firearms safety training. http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/05/condi_rice_on_the_2nd_amendment.html#comment-24676 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/05/condi_rice_on_the_2nd_amendment.html#comment-24676 Sat, 14 May 2005 22:13:15 -0600 "encouraged" all three of them, two sons and a daughter, into the Army when they graduated from High School, in order that they obtain the finest possible firearms training available. Well, maybe that wasn't the real reason, but it makes a good story, anyhow? ]]> http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/05/condi_rice_on_the_2nd_amendment.html#comment-24661 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/05/condi_rice_on_the_2nd_amendment.html#comment-24661 Sat, 14 May 2005 10:48:55 -0600 EXACTLY! I have children but one is not fully capable of understanding what it could do. The others are, but it is still a teaching issue. Our eldest respected firearms, and I let him practice with ours when he was 14. Missouri (thank goodness) still respects private property rights, so we taught him on our property. Our neighbors, who lived acres away around us (two to three acres between houses is nice elbow room)thought nothing of the noise. He first used pellet rifles to get used to the 'feel' of a weapon as far as aiming and leading a target. He practiced on squirrels and got to where he could get one in the head at fifteen yards on the run. Oh spare me about squirrels. They are big rats with furry tails and ate all the fruit on our apple and pear trees. But the day he came into the house and told me about the cottonmouth, he grabbed the 30.06 and blew a hole in the garage. Missed the snake. He then came back for the .22 nine shooter pistol. He got the snake. He shot it in the head, but then emptied the pistol and severed it. I didn't know whether to laugh or cry. He taught his younger brother how to shoot, and last year at Scout camp, that brother outshot the older Scouts and a few leaders, but because it was his 'first time' at camp, they wouldn't acknowledge it. My husband was the coach at the range for our troop, having worked with recruits during BRM. When the other scouts got wind of his expertise, they sidled up to the Engineer and asked for his help. All of them shot better than they had the day before. So, our older son had two excellent instructors, and I let him practice here using the pellet rifle when no one else is around. I like pellet rifles, especially in subdivisions. They are quiet, low tech and while they may not be fatal unless aimed at certain areas, he is still keeping his hand in. I dislike the federal law that states only a 21 year old can own a nug, but then we have privates who are 18 who are allowed to carry a weapon. I know many parents who are buying it for themselves and teaching their kids. Best thing to do. http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/05/condi_rice_on_the_2nd_amendment.html#comment-24659 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/05/condi_rice_on_the_2nd_amendment.html#comment-24659 Sat, 14 May 2005 10:20:32 -0600 don't despair, cricket. You should get someone who is really interested to teach you to use it and care for it. The other thing I highly recommend is that you teach your children what it is and that they cannot touch it ever on pain of pain. (I don't know how old they are, but never too young to teach) My dad was 21 year police veteran who routinely came home and hung is belt and gun on the back of the chair by the door. We never thought of it as a toy to touch. We never thought of playing with it. My dad made us learn how to pick it up and carry it without touching the trigger. He showed us how to clean it and he took us to the range and showed us what it could do. Then he told us if we ever picked it up without his permission he would make sure we couldn't sit down for eternity. We were taught to respect it. That is the problem with many people with children who own guns for "home protection" and their kid ends up shooting themselves or a friend or a sibling. They were not taught to respect the power. They were not taught about the difference between toys and things that could happen that could hurt someone. I remember the lecture from my dad about how it could kill someone. I think I was eight. I remember that I was crying because what he said was scary. But it was the right thing to do. Respect the power and fear the consequences. http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/05/condi_rice_on_the_2nd_amendment.html#comment-24647 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/05/condi_rice_on_the_2nd_amendment.html#comment-24647 Sat, 14 May 2005 02:15:00 -0600 You know, I don't think it would take much for me to do that if they were threatening my children. I am a mama bear with a grizzly temper when it comes to my cubs. Most women are when it comes to defending their offspring. The story I spoke of happened a quarter century ago(I am 45 now), and I have learned so much since then. But I look at gun ownership and use as a tremendous responsibility and one that I believe is a right. I just want to make sure that I am doing it the right way, because defending home and family is something we may have to do sometime. http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/05/condi_rice_on_the_2nd_amendment.html#comment-24645 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/05/condi_rice_on_the_2nd_amendment.html#comment-24645 Sat, 14 May 2005 01:01:03 -0600 Dang again, Cricket. Killin' is nasty business, and you have to work yerself up to it, or have a nasty Sergeant-type person yell at you and help you work yerself up to it, (And I'm still very squeamish about it myself), but: Humans really are the most dangerous monkeys on the planet. Most male humans are spares. Now that we have modern civilization, with more people than there are things for them to do, most female humans are also spares. I don't think you are a spare. Look out for yourself. Defend yer life, and the lives of those dependent upon you, with deadly force if you deem it necessary. Please! http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/05/condi_rice_on_the_2nd_amendment.html#comment-24644 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/05/condi_rice_on_the_2nd_amendment.html#comment-24644 Sat, 14 May 2005 00:21:40 -0600 I love reciprocity laws. Constitutional to a t. On the otter heiny, the Left Coast is Moonbat Central. My parents left me alone to go to LA for a few days (this was when I was 20 and a Young Silly Thing). I had come home from the local JC to find that a perp was coming down the stairs of my house, and I couldn't get to the pistol I had hidden, since the perp was between me and the gun. So I skedaddled to the next door neighbor's and pounded on her door. She let me in, we called the police and they were there in NO TIME flat. They did find evidence of a forced entry, and asked if I had access to a gun. I told them I did, and they howled with laughter when I told them what it was. They said the gun was bigger than me. (oh very funny) I then got the dogs inside, got a couple of bullets in left hand, and slept sitting up with the pistol (unloaded) in my right hand. My parents got home three days later and my dad told me it was time I learned the American Art of firearms. I so totally sucked at it. http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/05/condi_rice_on_the_2nd_amendment.html#comment-24642 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/05/condi_rice_on_the_2nd_amendment.html#comment-24642 Fri, 13 May 2005 23:22:28 -0600 Hey Cricket! Of Course! It follows! By all means! Arm yerself! They don't call it an equalizer for nuthin. The two women whom I helped to arm themselves, though right passionate and hot-tempered (I believe I've mentioned here that one of them kicked me out of bed for breathing too loudly) are right responsible folks, and seem less nervous, and easier to get along with, since doing so. One of them is even still willing to talk to me on the telephone. Atlanta area? That's where I, and these gals, are from. They still live there. You're fortunate that, in Georgia, you can carry openly within the curtilege of your place without a permit. I wish that were so in FL. http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/05/condi_rice_on_the_2nd_amendment.html#comment-24638 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/05/condi_rice_on_the_2nd_amendment.html#comment-24638 Fri, 13 May 2005 21:54:41 -0600 I've said this before, and I'll say it again now: (to the tune of "The Yellow Rose of Texas") You may talk of Rodham Clinton, And Linda Ellerbee,but The Yellow Rose of Stanford is The Only One for me! I think I have another verse in me, about how "Gore played Hell in Tennessee", but I'll not inflict it at this moment. P.S. Note that she wore a primrose-yellow dress at the Republican convention. I think that she has the kind of low sense of humor I like, too. http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/05/condi_rice_on_the_2nd_amendment.html#comment-24635 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/05/condi_rice_on_the_2nd_amendment.html#comment-24635 Fri, 13 May 2005 21:19:51 -0600 map showing which states honor my CCW permit. Note- when I drive from Longmont, Colorado to Austin Texas (which I do several times a year, and will be next week), I pass through the northeast corner of New Mexico- from Raton to Texline, a drive of perhaps four hours. My permit is valid in Colorado and Texas; I can carry concealed- and only concealed- in both states. But (alas) New Mexico doesn't honor my permit- what to do? Heh- New Mexico is an open-carry state... SO! Pistol under the jacket until the CO/NM border, then take off the jacket so the SIG is 'out there'... but entering Texas, gotta conceal again. Phew. The laws concerning CCW are the ones where you are, not where the permit was issued... ]]> http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/05/condi_rice_on_the_2nd_amendment.html#comment-24634 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/05/condi_rice_on_the_2nd_amendment.html#comment-24634 Fri, 13 May 2005 20:59:38 -0600 For CCW reciprocity, check this site: www.packing.org . My permit is good in 24 states, and it seems that most states that issue CCW permits are actively seeking reciprocity with other states that meet their own issue requirements. FYI- Utah will issue an out-of-state permit to anyone who passes a background check, and can show a Utah-certified firearms instructor that they are familiar with firearms... http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/05/condi_rice_on_the_2nd_amendment.html#comment-24633 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/05/condi_rice_on_the_2nd_amendment.html#comment-24633 Fri, 13 May 2005 20:33:55 -0600 Barb...that's pretty much the way I see it these days. Frankly, if they get pass my dog, they are very intent on their endeavors and they will be shot. As for the carry concealed weapons, each state does not have to honor another state's permit so, carrying one across the lines "legally" is another issue. ONe I think stinks. But, my cousin tells me that in order for the weapon not to be considered "concealed" without a permit in a car, you have to remove the bullets/clip and have them at least in another area away from the pistol or in in a case that is not readily available for shooting. Kind of stupid and counter intuitive. http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/05/condi_rice_on_the_2nd_amendment.html#comment-24632 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/05/condi_rice_on_the_2nd_amendment.html#comment-24632 Fri, 13 May 2005 19:46:01 -0600 If someone was rattling my doors and windows, and the 911 call had been made, I'd be warning off the bastid with my shotgun. For traveling, though, we have a couple of handguns - but neither of us has a carry permit or owns a holster of any kind. Also - we go to Canada a couple of times every year - and we will *Not* try to take a weapon across the border. http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/05/condi_rice_on_the_2nd_amendment.html#comment-24630 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/05/condi_rice_on_the_2nd_amendment.html#comment-24630 Fri, 13 May 2005 19:27:54 -0600 You know, the 911 call is of concern to me, for several reasons. Not the least of which is the wait time to get a unit there. Here it takes about 20 minutes. Traffic is horrid and people seem to think that emergency vehicles have no reason to be using their sirens and racing toward a possible crime. I always get out of the way. However, since the wait time was long (lacking instant transporter capability), a gun is a useful thing. Thanks, kat-missouri. You helped me make up my mind about getting a weapon. I already asked about a 'woman's weapon,' but this cemented it. http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/05/condi_rice_on_the_2nd_amendment.html#comment-24629 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/05/condi_rice_on_the_2nd_amendment.html#comment-24629 Fri, 13 May 2005 18:54:16 -0600 me he was coming after- and he had a 12" piece of rebar in his hand. I dropped the soda I had bought and pulled my carry piece (a .38 Special S&W snubbie at the time) and 'Weaver-stanced' him- he stopped, the girl gave a little scream, I said "Fark off, Gordo!" (he was actually kinda fat)... he was only 6-7 feet away, but I could see the fight go out of him- he 'MFed' me again, then spun around and stalked back to his friends (I'd been keeping an eye on the Black guy but he didn't back up his partner's play) The pretty girl was berating him with a constant stream of Spanish invectives- I wouldn't doubt he beat her up later. The three of them went back into the 7-11; I climbed into the Jeep (pistol still in hand) and left. I pulled over down the strett and watched to see if they would follow me; they stayed in the store- so I hit I-25 and went home (soda-less). I always go armed when I travel, and I have driven all over the U.S. in the last 20 years. That lump of machined metal on my hip always makes me feel better, and that's the only time I've ever had to show it. And yes, I have a license for it...]]> http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/05/condi_rice_on_the_2nd_amendment.html#comment-24628 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/05/condi_rice_on_the_2nd_amendment.html#comment-24628 Fri, 13 May 2005 18:50:51 -0600 The role of armwed self defense has been edited out of the history of the civil rights movement. It all looks sooo Ghandi like now. Really hits the ol' cognitive dissonance button for some people to see that Roy Innis of the Congress of Racial Equality is also a board member of the National Rifle Association. http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/05/condi_rice_on_the_2nd_amendment.html#comment-24622 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/05/condi_rice_on_the_2nd_amendment.html#comment-24622 Fri, 13 May 2005 17:27:55 -0600 http://cdrsalamander.blogspot.com/2005/05/well-said-madam-secretary.html ]]> http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/05/condi_rice_on_the_2nd_amendment.html#comment-24615 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/05/condi_rice_on_the_2nd_amendment.html#comment-24615 Fri, 13 May 2005 15:50:41 -0600 Cricket... I have used my cell phone to call 911 (20 times) more than I have ever pulled my pistol (0). However, before I got my pistol, someone tried to break into my apartment while I was home. I called 911 and hung on the phone for 10 minutes scared spitless waiting for the police to get there. For the entire 10 minutes, I had to listen to the would be perpetrator walk around the house and try the doors and windows. for 10 minutes, my knees were shaking so bad I almost couldn't stand and I thought the operator was going to be on the other line listening to me dying before the police got there. Even when I talked loudly on the phone to the operator and called out that I was calling the police, the would be intruder did not seem to be concerned at all. Probably thought he could still be in and out of the house before the cops got there. Not saying I wouldn't have been scared if I had a pistol then, however, I don't believe that it would have taken me 10 minutes to chamber a round and explain *very loudly* that I was armed and he/she/it should go away. http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/05/condi_rice_on_the_2nd_amendment.html#comment-24614 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/05/condi_rice_on_the_2nd_amendment.html#comment-24614 Fri, 13 May 2005 15:24:41 -0600 Yep. Yer a jeenyuss too, ALa! http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/05/condi_rice_on_the_2nd_amendment.html#comment-24610 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/05/condi_rice_on_the_2nd_amendment.html#comment-24610 Fri, 13 May 2005 14:15:21 -0600 Crazy...I was going to use the same pic (top one) in my post today...Great minds and all... ;) http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/05/condi_rice_on_the_2nd_amendment.html#comment-24608 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/05/condi_rice_on_the_2nd_amendment.html#comment-24608 Fri, 13 May 2005 13:39:31 -0600 She's been so unequivocal about not running for president, though... I'd tend to believe her, unfortunately. http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/05/condi_rice_on_the_2nd_amendment.html#comment-24607 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/05/condi_rice_on_the_2nd_amendment.html#comment-24607 Fri, 13 May 2005 13:08:08 -0600 The sad part is, the CNN editors apparently cut that segment from the interview they broadcast. Can't have the masses learning that guns can be used for good things, now, can they? http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/05/condi_rice_on_the_2nd_amendment.html#comment-24606 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/05/condi_rice_on_the_2nd_amendment.html#comment-24606 Fri, 13 May 2005 12:46:23 -0600 Amen, Amen, AMEN!! I like Condoleeza Rice, and in the absence of a clearly better candidate, I would vote for her for President tomorrow--and NOT just because of this issue--though it does add to my appreciation of her. Of course, I like the idea of Bolton as UN Rep too, so maybe my biases lean a little. ~SangerM http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/05/condi_rice_on_the_2nd_amendment.html#comment-24605 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/05/condi_rice_on_the_2nd_amendment.html#comment-24605 Fri, 13 May 2005 12:04:18 -0600 Came damned close, but the feller decided that five Marines (in the apartment complex) armed, wasn't a good way to end the day. We put him n the deck, and held him until the Oceanside Police Department showed up. They cuffed him, stuffed him, and complimented us on not blowing the guy away. No problems! http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/05/condi_rice_on_the_2nd_amendment.html#comment-24604 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/05/condi_rice_on_the_2nd_amendment.html#comment-24604 Fri, 13 May 2005 11:43:48 -0600 Otay, I went to the website. I have some questions that I want addressed here, from real people, not a website that is well done in promoting a separate agenda. Have any of you ever had to use your firearms for protection here at home? Wartime is a different scenario because of the issues involved. You don't have to answer this question, but if you have, what were the circumstances that demanded it? And did you get nailed by law enforcement for using weapons? http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/05/condi_rice_on_the_2nd_amendment.html#comment-24603 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/05/condi_rice_on_the_2nd_amendment.html#comment-24603 Fri, 13 May 2005 11:39:35 -0600 Heh... I saw her on TV the other night - she continues to impress me with her personal and professional growth. http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/05/condi_rice_on_the_2nd_amendment.html#comment-24602 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/05/condi_rice_on_the_2nd_amendment.html#comment-24602 Fri, 13 May 2005 11:38:56 -0600 How DARE YOU tell us the truth about gun ownership and rights! That it is to be used for protection! That is exactly the leveling of the playing field that you will never hear about in the MSM and in the European press, that all Americans of all races can keep and bear arms. Wanna hear a good one? We live near the metro Atlanta area. We were cruising around Atlanta late last Sat nite and people were OUT ON THE STREETS walking their dogs, doing their things, and in freedom from fear. Georgia permits concealed carrying. You don't know who has one, so you don't commit the crime. Can you also post the stories about the Asian business owners who were armed during the Rodney King riots in L.A.? They were protecting their homes and business from vandalism. Rock ON! http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/05/condi_rice_on_the_2nd_amendment.html#comment-24601 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/05/condi_rice_on_the_2nd_amendment.html#comment-24601 Fri, 13 May 2005 10:59:30 -0600 Benighted *heathen* furriners, too! Hee. Thanks for the link, too! http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/05/condi_rice_on_the_2nd_amendment.html#comment-24600 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/05/condi_rice_on_the_2nd_amendment.html#comment-24600 Fri, 13 May 2005 10:18:54 -0600 I'm hoping for Rice to get the Republican nomination. If Hillary gets the Democratic nod, it'll be an absolutely fascinating election campaign. Even for us benighted furriners (who apparently have forgotten that government is supposed to serve at the will of the people . . .) http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/05/condi_rice_on_the_2nd_amendment.html#comment-24599 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/05/condi_rice_on_the_2nd_amendment.html#comment-24599 Fri, 13 May 2005 10:17:00 -0600 This just adds to my respect for Condi. You said it, Sis - Condi Rocks! http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/05/condi_rice_on_the_2nd_amendment.html#comment-24598 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/05/condi_rice_on_the_2nd_amendment.html#comment-24598 Fri, 13 May 2005 09:45:53 -0600 Neener neener neener! I have two! Both 8mm. http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/05/condi_rice_on_the_2nd_amendment.html#comment-24596 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/05/condi_rice_on_the_2nd_amendment.html#comment-24596 Fri, 13 May 2005 09:21:21 -0600 I want an FN 49....30-06 or 8mm preferably. Love the Mosin long rifle, too. http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/05/condi_rice_on_the_2nd_amendment.html#comment-24595 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/05/condi_rice_on_the_2nd_amendment.html#comment-24595 Fri, 13 May 2005 09:13:35 -0600 Rock on Condi! She's my girl.... Love that woman! Makes sense, tough as nails, stands her ground, upholds the Constitution, represents us well around the world, and proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that women are more than suitable for positions of power within the government- including the presidency. http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/05/condi_rice_on_the_2nd_amendment.html#comment-24594 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/05/condi_rice_on_the_2nd_amendment.html#comment-24594 Fri, 13 May 2005 08:56:24 -0600