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Condi Rice on the 2nd Amendment

Condi moved up several notches in my estimation of her suitability to be Prez. All emphasis in the quotes is mine.

Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, recalling how her father took up arms to defend fellow blacks from racist whites in the segregated South, said Wednesday the constitutional right of Americans to own guns is as important as their rights to free speech and religion.

In an interview on CNN's "Larry King Live," Rice said she came to that view from personal experience. She said her father, a black minister, and his friends armed themselves to defended the black community in Birmingham, Ala., against the White Knight Riders in 1962 and 1963. She said if local authorities had had lists of registered weapons, she did not think her father and other blacks would have been able to defend themselves.

I'm not a single issue voter... but with a basement like this (right click, open in a new window), I'm pretty close.

"I also don't think we get to pick and choose from the Constitution," she said in the interview, which was taped for airing Wednesday night. "The Second Amendment is as important as the First Amendment."

Amen, sister.

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In case the link disappears...

Rice: Gun Rights Important As Free Speech By BARRY SCHWEID, AP Diplomatic Writer
Wed May 11, 9:13 PM ET


Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, recalling how her father took up arms to defend fellow blacks from racist whites in the segregated South, said Wednesday the constitutional right of Americans to own guns is as important as their rights to free speech and religion.

In an interview on CNN's "Larry King Live," Rice said she came to that view from personal experience. She said her father, a black minister, and his friends armed themselves to defended the black community in Birmingham, Ala., against the White Knight Riders in 1962 and 1963. She said if local authorities had had lists of registered weapons, she did not think her father and other blacks would have been able to defend themselves.

Birmingham, where Rice was born in 1954, was a focal point of racial tension. Four black girls were killed when a bomb exploded at a Birmingham church in 1963, a galvanizing moment in the fight for civil rights.

Rice said she favored background checks and controls at gun shows. However, she added, "we have to be very careful when we start abridging rights that the Founding Fathers thought very important."

Rice said the Founding Fathers understood "there might be circumstances that people like my father experienced in Birmingham, Ala., when, in fact, the police weren't going to protect you."

"I also don't think we get to pick and choose from the Constitution," she said in the interview, which was taped for airing Wednesday night. "The Second Amendment is as important as the First Amendment."

The First Amendment protects religious, press and speech freedoms as well as the rights to assemble and petition the government. The Second Amendment guarantees "a well-regulated militia" and "the right of the people to keep and bear arms." Gun-rights supporters and those who favor gun control disagree over whether the amendment guarantees individual gun ownership.


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Gun control is racist from Quotulatiousness on May 13, 2005 10:14 AM

Castle Argghhh has some interesting posters up, emphasizing the words of Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice on the right to bear arms. He also quotes from an Associated Press article: Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, recalling how her father took... Read More

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Rock on Condi! She's my girl.... Love that woman! Makes sense, tough as nails, stands her ground, upholds the Constitution, represents us well around the world, and proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that women are more than suitable for positions of power within the government- including the presidency.
 
I want an FN 49....30-06 or 8mm preferably. Love the Mosin long rifle, too.
 
Neener neener neener! I have two! Both 8mm.
 
This just adds to my respect for Condi. You said it, Sis - Condi Rocks!
 
I'm hoping for Rice to get the Republican nomination. If Hillary gets the Democratic nod, it'll be an absolutely fascinating election campaign. Even for us benighted furriners (who apparently have forgotten that government is supposed to serve at the will of the people . . .)
 
Benighted *heathen* furriners, too! Hee. Thanks for the link, too!
 
How DARE YOU tell us the truth about gun ownership and rights! That it is to be used for protection! That is exactly the leveling of the playing field that you will never hear about in the MSM and in the European press, that all Americans of all races can keep and bear arms. Wanna hear a good one? We live near the metro Atlanta area. We were cruising around Atlanta late last Sat nite and people were OUT ON THE STREETS walking their dogs, doing their things, and in freedom from fear. Georgia permits concealed carrying. You don't know who has one, so you don't commit the crime. Can you also post the stories about the Asian business owners who were armed during the Rodney King riots in L.A.? They were protecting their homes and business from vandalism. Rock ON!
 
Heh... I saw her on TV the other night - she continues to impress me with her personal and professional growth.
 
Otay, I went to the website. I have some questions that I want addressed here, from real people, not a website that is well done in promoting a separate agenda. Have any of you ever had to use your firearms for protection here at home? Wartime is a different scenario because of the issues involved. You don't have to answer this question, but if you have, what were the circumstances that demanded it? And did you get nailed by law enforcement for using weapons?
 
Came damned close, but the feller decided that five Marines (in the apartment complex) armed, wasn't a good way to end the day. We put him n the deck, and held him until the Oceanside Police Department showed up. They cuffed him, stuffed him, and complimented us on not blowing the guy away. No problems!
 
Amen, Amen, AMEN!! I like Condoleeza Rice, and in the absence of a clearly better candidate, I would vote for her for President tomorrow--and NOT just because of this issue--though it does add to my appreciation of her. Of course, I like the idea of Bolton as UN Rep too, so maybe my biases lean a little. ~SangerM
 
The sad part is, the CNN editors apparently cut that segment from the interview they broadcast. Can't have the masses learning that guns can be used for good things, now, can they?
 
She's been so unequivocal about not running for president, though... I'd tend to believe her, unfortunately.
 
Crazy...I was going to use the same pic (top one) in my post today...Great minds and all... ;)
 
Yep. Yer a jeenyuss too, ALa!
 
Cricket... I have used my cell phone to call 911 (20 times) more than I have ever pulled my pistol (0). However, before I got my pistol, someone tried to break into my apartment while I was home. I called 911 and hung on the phone for 10 minutes scared spitless waiting for the police to get there. For the entire 10 minutes, I had to listen to the would be perpetrator walk around the house and try the doors and windows. for 10 minutes, my knees were shaking so bad I almost couldn't stand and I thought the operator was going to be on the other line listening to me dying before the police got there. Even when I talked loudly on the phone to the operator and called out that I was calling the police, the would be intruder did not seem to be concerned at all. Probably thought he could still be in and out of the house before the cops got there. Not saying I wouldn't have been scared if I had a pistol then, however, I don't believe that it would have taken me 10 minutes to chamber a round and explain *very loudly* that I was armed and he/she/it should go away.
 
John, I saw that as well. When I got home I told Ms. Salamander, "For that comment, if Secretary Rice declares for President in '08, regardless of who else is running - $500 is going her way. More to follow if she wins the nom." Money and mouth. http://cdrsalamander.blogspot.com/2005/05/well-said-madam-secretary.html
 
The role of armwed self defense has been edited out of the history of the civil rights movement. It all looks sooo Ghandi like now. Really hits the ol' cognitive dissonance button for some people to see that Roy Innis of the Congress of Racial Equality is also a board member of the National Rifle Association.
 
Cricket, I've only once had to use a firearm in self-defense- and the mere sight of it defused the situation. Several years ago I fueled up at a Pueblo 7-11 late on a Saturday night, about 2300. I was headed back to Longmont from a trip to Trinidad. As I was about to leave, a young Black guy came into the store, followed by a young Hispanic dude- who let the door swing shut in the face of his girlfriend. I opened the door for her, and she smiled and say 'thanks'- I smiled back, said 'sure' or something like that and headed out to the Jeep. I got about 20 feet when the door banged open and the Hispanic guy- enraged- came after me, shouting "MFing a-hole sumbirch, hitting on my bitsh", or something like that... the Black guy and the girl were right behind him but stopped- the girl shouting at him to stop. It took me a sec to realize it was me he was coming after- and he had a 12" piece of rebar in his hand. I dropped the soda I had bought and pulled my carry piece (a .38 Special S&W snubbie at the time) and 'Weaver-stanced' him- he stopped, the girl gave a little scream, I said "Fark off, Gordo!" (he was actually kinda fat)... he was only 6-7 feet away, but I could see the fight go out of him- he 'MFed' me again, then spun around and stalked back to his friends (I'd been keeping an eye on the Black guy but he didn't back up his partner's play) The pretty girl was berating him with a constant stream of Spanish invectives- I wouldn't doubt he beat her up later. The three of them went back into the 7-11; I climbed into the Jeep (pistol still in hand) and left. I pulled over down the strett and watched to see if they would follow me; they stayed in the store- so I hit I-25 and went home (soda-less). I always go armed when I travel, and I have driven all over the U.S. in the last 20 years. That lump of machined metal on my hip always makes me feel better, and that's the only time I've ever had to show it. And yes, I have a license for it...
 
You know, the 911 call is of concern to me, for several reasons. Not the least of which is the wait time to get a unit there. Here it takes about 20 minutes. Traffic is horrid and people seem to think that emergency vehicles have no reason to be using their sirens and racing toward a possible crime. I always get out of the way. However, since the wait time was long (lacking instant transporter capability), a gun is a useful thing. Thanks, kat-missouri. You helped me make up my mind about getting a weapon. I already asked about a 'woman's weapon,' but this cemented it.
 
If someone was rattling my doors and windows, and the 911 call had been made, I'd be warning off the bastid with my shotgun. For traveling, though, we have a couple of handguns - but neither of us has a carry permit or owns a holster of any kind. Also - we go to Canada a couple of times every year - and we will *Not* try to take a weapon across the border.
 
Barb...that's pretty much the way I see it these days. Frankly, if they get pass my dog, they are very intent on their endeavors and they will be shot. As for the carry concealed weapons, each state does not have to honor another state's permit so, carrying one across the lines "legally" is another issue. ONe I think stinks. But, my cousin tells me that in order for the weapon not to be considered "concealed" without a permit in a car, you have to remove the bullets/clip and have them at least in another area away from the pistol or in in a case that is not readily available for shooting. Kind of stupid and counter intuitive.
 
For CCW reciprocity, check this site: www.packing.org . My permit is good in 24 states, and it seems that most states that issue CCW permits are actively seeking reciprocity with other states that meet their own issue requirements. FYI- Utah will issue an out-of-state permit to anyone who passes a background check, and can show a Utah-certified firearms instructor that they are familiar with firearms...
 
Example- here is a map showing which states honor my CCW permit. Note- when I drive from Longmont, Colorado to Austin Texas (which I do several times a year, and will be next week), I pass through the northeast corner of New Mexico- from Raton to Texline, a drive of perhaps four hours. My permit is valid in Colorado and Texas; I can carry concealed- and only concealed- in both states. But (alas) New Mexico doesn't honor my permit- what to do? Heh- New Mexico is an open-carry state... SO! Pistol under the jacket until the CO/NM border, then take off the jacket so the SIG is 'out there'... but entering Texas, gotta conceal again. Phew. The laws concerning CCW are the ones where you are, not where the permit was issued...
 
I've said this before, and I'll say it again now: (to the tune of "The Yellow Rose of Texas") You may talk of Rodham Clinton, And Linda Ellerbee,but The Yellow Rose of Stanford is The Only One for me! I think I have another verse in me, about how "Gore played Hell in Tennessee", but I'll not inflict it at this moment. P.S. Note that she wore a primrose-yellow dress at the Republican convention. I think that she has the kind of low sense of humor I like, too.
 
Hey Cricket! Of Course! It follows! By all means! Arm yerself! They don't call it an equalizer for nuthin. The two women whom I helped to arm themselves, though right passionate and hot-tempered (I believe I've mentioned here that one of them kicked me out of bed for breathing too loudly) are right responsible folks, and seem less nervous, and easier to get along with, since doing so. One of them is even still willing to talk to me on the telephone. Atlanta area? That's where I, and these gals, are from. They still live there. You're fortunate that, in Georgia, you can carry openly within the curtilege of your place without a permit. I wish that were so in FL.
 
I love reciprocity laws. Constitutional to a t. On the otter heiny, the Left Coast is Moonbat Central. My parents left me alone to go to LA for a few days (this was when I was 20 and a Young Silly Thing). I had come home from the local JC to find that a perp was coming down the stairs of my house, and I couldn't get to the pistol I had hidden, since the perp was between me and the gun. So I skedaddled to the next door neighbor's and pounded on her door. She let me in, we called the police and they were there in NO TIME flat. They did find evidence of a forced entry, and asked if I had access to a gun. I told them I did, and they howled with laughter when I told them what it was. They said the gun was bigger than me. (oh very funny) I then got the dogs inside, got a couple of bullets in left hand, and slept sitting up with the pistol (unloaded) in my right hand. My parents got home three days later and my dad told me it was time I learned the American Art of firearms. I so totally sucked at it.
 
Dang again, Cricket. Killin' is nasty business, and you have to work yerself up to it, or have a nasty Sergeant-type person yell at you and help you work yerself up to it, (And I'm still very squeamish about it myself), but: Humans really are the most dangerous monkeys on the planet. Most male humans are spares. Now that we have modern civilization, with more people than there are things for them to do, most female humans are also spares. I don't think you are a spare. Look out for yourself. Defend yer life, and the lives of those dependent upon you, with deadly force if you deem it necessary. Please!
 
You know, I don't think it would take much for me to do that if they were threatening my children. I am a mama bear with a grizzly temper when it comes to my cubs. Most women are when it comes to defending their offspring. The story I spoke of happened a quarter century ago(I am 45 now), and I have learned so much since then. But I look at gun ownership and use as a tremendous responsibility and one that I believe is a right. I just want to make sure that I am doing it the right way, because defending home and family is something we may have to do sometime.
 
don't despair, cricket. You should get someone who is really interested to teach you to use it and care for it. The other thing I highly recommend is that you teach your children what it is and that they cannot touch it ever on pain of pain. (I don't know how old they are, but never too young to teach) My dad was 21 year police veteran who routinely came home and hung is belt and gun on the back of the chair by the door. We never thought of it as a toy to touch. We never thought of playing with it. My dad made us learn how to pick it up and carry it without touching the trigger. He showed us how to clean it and he took us to the range and showed us what it could do. Then he told us if we ever picked it up without his permission he would make sure we couldn't sit down for eternity. We were taught to respect it. That is the problem with many people with children who own guns for "home protection" and their kid ends up shooting themselves or a friend or a sibling. They were not taught to respect the power. They were not taught about the difference between toys and things that could happen that could hurt someone. I remember the lecture from my dad about how it could kill someone. I think I was eight. I remember that I was crying because what he said was scary. But it was the right thing to do. Respect the power and fear the consequences.
 
EXACTLY! I have children but one is not fully capable of understanding what it could do. The others are, but it is still a teaching issue. Our eldest respected firearms, and I let him practice with ours when he was 14. Missouri (thank goodness) still respects private property rights, so we taught him on our property. Our neighbors, who lived acres away around us (two to three acres between houses is nice elbow room)thought nothing of the noise. He first used pellet rifles to get used to the 'feel' of a weapon as far as aiming and leading a target. He practiced on squirrels and got to where he could get one in the head at fifteen yards on the run. Oh spare me about squirrels. They are big rats with furry tails and ate all the fruit on our apple and pear trees. But the day he came into the house and told me about the cottonmouth, he grabbed the 30.06 and blew a hole in the garage. Missed the snake. He then came back for the .22 nine shooter pistol. He got the snake. He shot it in the head, but then emptied the pistol and severed it. I didn't know whether to laugh or cry. He taught his younger brother how to shoot, and last year at Scout camp, that brother outshot the older Scouts and a few leaders, but because it was his 'first time' at camp, they wouldn't acknowledge it. My husband was the coach at the range for our troop, having worked with recruits during BRM. When the other scouts got wind of his expertise, they sidled up to the Engineer and asked for his help. All of them shot better than they had the day before. So, our older son had two excellent instructors, and I let him practice here using the pellet rifle when no one else is around. I like pellet rifles, especially in subdivisions. They are quiet, low tech and while they may not be fatal unless aimed at certain areas, he is still keeping his hand in. I dislike the federal law that states only a 21 year old can own a nug, but then we have privates who are 18 who are allowed to carry a weapon. I know many parents who are buying it for themselves and teaching their kids. Best thing to do.
 
*smiling* Kat, I also taught my children respect for firearms and the proper way to handle them..... in the most effecient manner I knew. I simply "encouraged" all three of them, two sons and a daughter, into the Army when they graduated from High School, in order that they obtain the finest possible firearms training available. Well, maybe that wasn't the real reason, but it makes a good story, anyhow?
 
I have suggested to several people that their kids be sent to hunter safety classes - never mind they aren't going hunting - just to get the firearms safety training.