We're the Military and Airpower Guys of Jonah Goldberg of National Review Online + a stray we found wandering around looking lost. All original material JHD, BHD, JR, WT, and KA 2003-2007 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/03/argghhh.html Sun, 03 Aug 2008 17:27:00 Z Movable Type 4.12 en Copyright 2008 http://www.rssboard.org/rss-specification Ladies and Gentlemen, I say to you, Mark Wilson, someone you should have known. The citizen, 50 year old Mark Wilson, was one of the two people murdered. As CNN reported, “Everyone here agrees, Wilson saved lives.” Fox News' website quoted the sheriff as saying "if it hadn't been for Mr. Wilson, [Arroyo's son] would be dead." The whole story is here.... http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/03/argghhh.html http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/03/argghhh.html Sat, 05 Mar 2005 23:25:25 -0600 John, I agree that Wilson should be honoured and I don't think there was anything in my post that suggested otherwise. After I wrote my post criticizing Lott's piece I used Technorati to find other posts linking to it. Lott isn't just sloppy, he's dishonest -- I think that is one of the few things Kevin Baker agrees with me about. http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/03/argghhh.html#comment-17634 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/03/argghhh.html#comment-17634 Wed, 09 Mar 2005 00:49:52 -0600 Yay! It worked, JTG. Yes, Mr. Lambert seems to spend his time fighting the gun owners and grabbers... but from what I've read of his stuff, he comes down on the left side of the issue, in the end - stark, rigid controls and limited choices are what he would allow. By the way - if you add the 'bold' tags to the highlighted text, the links stand out more! http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/03/argghhh.html#comment-17505 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/03/argghhh.html#comment-17505 Tue, 08 Mar 2005 07:21:02 -0600 The Smallest Minority has been debating Mr. Lambert for what seems like *years* on the gun rights issue. Does that link work? ]]> http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/03/argghhh.html#comment-17486 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/03/argghhh.html#comment-17486 Mon, 07 Mar 2005 23:57:08 -0600 Tim, thanks for pointing that out, though it doesn't undermine my basic premise... driven by my former cop and retired soldier self prejudices - people who move *to* the sound of the guns in an effort to do right, even if they are not fully successful, should be honored for taking an active interest and involving themselves. Of course - the former cop in me also wants them to stop when I go *finally* get there, if only because in an urban, non-military gunfight, it can be hard to identify who the truly bad guys are. Just curious - are you a regular visitor, or were you just surfing by to spread your "Lott is a sloppy researcher too driven my his agenda" message? Don't take that as critical - it's not - both sides are so driven by their agenda that sorting out bias from data is a challenge. http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/03/argghhh.html#comment-17336 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/03/argghhh.html#comment-17336 Mon, 07 Mar 2005 07:00:38 -0600 here. ]]> http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/03/argghhh.html#comment-17334 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/03/argghhh.html#comment-17334 Mon, 07 Mar 2005 04:24:24 -0600 The gun nuts among the bloggers have been all over this from the get-go. See www.geekwitha45.blogspot.com. It has pictures of the memorial service, showing that Mr. Arroyo not only angrily murdered a bunch of folks, but parked next to a fire hydrant to do so. (gun laws, traffic laws, murder laws, who cares if yer crazy mean) If you scroll down a bit and read some of the comments, I betcha you'll learn a lot. One of the commenters is someone who knew Mr. Wilson. Kevin at smallestminority.blogspot.com also has some posts on that. The woman at the cafeteria was Susanne Gratia Hupp, who *knew* she coulda got the bastard when he stopped to change mags, facing away, when *whoops* "Oh no, left gun in car to obey law!" http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/03/argghhh.html#comment-17222 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/03/argghhh.html#comment-17222 Sun, 06 Mar 2005 18:45:43 -0600 A few years ago in Texas, a woman left her gun in her car because the restaurant she was taking her parents into had a no guns allowed requirement. When a guy started shooting her parents she was unable to save them. http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/03/argghhh.html#comment-17202 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/03/argghhh.html#comment-17202 Sun, 06 Mar 2005 16:53:39 -0600 Of course, none of the stuff I found had details about how many times Mr. Wilson hit his target. Hard to speculate on what he was trying to get. As you say, it was a noble effort, and a shame he didn't drop the guy before being cut down. Can you imagine the way the papers would have run with it if he HAD made a quick kill shot to the head or similar, though?? http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/03/argghhh.html#comment-17147 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/03/argghhh.html#comment-17147 Sun, 06 Mar 2005 10:47:06 -0600 Lucius, Your garden variety Level IIA Vest will stop a .45 230gr. FMJ. For all its Smacking Power, the .45 is comes up short in penetrating a hardened target. http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/03/argghhh.html#comment-17144 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/03/argghhh.html#comment-17144 Sun, 06 Mar 2005 10:43:02 -0600 a .45? that must have been SOME body armor. I dont want to come across as denigrating what was, in fact, a noble effort. I just wish Mr. Wilson, for his own sake, had equipped himself with something with rather more authority. http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/03/argghhh.html#comment-17139 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/03/argghhh.html#comment-17139 Sun, 06 Mar 2005 10:23:39 -0600 Sorry, Lucius, you'd lose that one. If you google it you can find a few articles that mention he carried a .45. Unfortunately, the idiot with the AK had on armor. Still, the cops credit him with keeping the body count and the number of wounded down. http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/03/argghhh.html#comment-17134 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/03/argghhh.html#comment-17134 Sun, 06 Mar 2005 09:27:38 -0600 Slap me silly. First time that I heard about Mr. Wilson; though it doesn't surprise me. Do you all remember the shooting at the Law School in Grundy VA, about 3 years ago? A similar thing happened. Once the fiend went postal, many of the students there rushed to the trunks of their cars and promptly availed themselves of their deer hunting rifles (this happening in the middle of deer hunting season). It was this posse of citizens charging at him, that subdued him without further bloodshed. Thanx John http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/03/argghhh.html#comment-17132 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/03/argghhh.html#comment-17132 Sun, 06 Mar 2005 09:21:09 -0600 This is the first time I've heard this side of the story, and it is humbling. Thanks for posting it, John. http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/03/argghhh.html#comment-17123 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/03/argghhh.html#comment-17123 Sun, 06 Mar 2005 02:46:06 -0600 Well, there, you see? this was the first time that I had heard that side of the story. I assumed that Mr. Wilson was a plainclothes cop or something. Bets that Wilson was carrying a 9mm or something even lighter? http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/03/argghhh.html#comment-17120 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/03/argghhh.html#comment-17120 Sun, 06 Mar 2005 01:01:46 -0600 I wonder if CNN's belated acknowledgement of Mr. Wilson may be a case of "once bit..." since John Lott's article noting that less than 26% of stories at the time he wrote even mentioned the man - even if Lott was using it as a sort of compliment by saying he would have expected even less notice. http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/03/argghhh.html#comment-17119 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/03/argghhh.html#comment-17119 Sun, 06 Mar 2005 00:27:02 -0600