We're the Military and Airpower Guys of Jonah Goldberg of National Review Online + a stray we found wandering around looking lost. All original material JHD, BHD, JR, WT, and KA 2003-2010 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/02/okay_we_did_it_with_bill_now_lets_do_it_with_me.html Fri, 06 Jan 2012 18:55:57 Z Movable Type 4.12 en Copyright 2012 http://www.rssboard.org/rss-specification Get yer mind out of the gutter. This is the Arsenal's Chinese Type 51 Pistol, a copy of the Soviet TT33. Like "Hubert," Twitchy Bill's Trusty Steed, this pistol and its previous owner had a tough day at the office. Unlike Twitchy and Hubert, the pistol's then-owner did not survive the encounter. Evidence of the encounter is visible on the pistol. How many hits do you see? Click here for hi-res.... http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/02/okay_we_did_it_with_bill_now_lets_do_it_with_me.html http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/02/okay_we_did_it_with_bill_now_lets_do_it_with_me.html Thu, 24 Feb 2005 09:35:27 -0600 Oh, and by the way, I only see 3 hits on the pistol, since the notch in the slide ahead of the slide release is there for takedown purposes, and I'm betting the grip area was covered by the wielder's hand. (Shadowy areas on the grip appear to be logo and lanyard ring) http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/02/okay_we_did_it_with_bill_now_lets_do_it_with_me.html#comment-15870 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/02/okay_we_did_it_with_bill_now_lets_do_it_with_me.html#comment-15870 Thu, 24 Feb 2005 22:33:06 -0600 I once owned a No 1 Mk III Lee Enfield whose former user had had a very bad day. The forward end of the forestock/handguard and the rear part of the buttstock were completely filled with chunks of ragged metal on the left side. The area not affected corresponded to where a human torso would have protected the stock. Sorta felt creepy holding the rifle and imagining an HE round or grenade going off behind me. http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/02/okay_we_did_it_with_bill_now_lets_do_it_with_me.html#comment-15869 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/02/okay_we_did_it_with_bill_now_lets_do_it_with_me.html#comment-15869 Thu, 24 Feb 2005 22:24:14 -0600 Well the Chinese have delt with Albania and Cuba alot. so I say it may be from the Yugoslavian-Kosovo area, or Grenada. I also see only the 6 dings http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/02/okay_we_did_it_with_bill_now_lets_do_it_with_me.html#comment-15861 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/02/okay_we_did_it_with_bill_now_lets_do_it_with_me.html#comment-15861 Thu, 24 Feb 2005 21:44:27 -0600 I see four hits fer sher... and I expect that on a dark, still night- with the moon glowly softly through the mists swirling about the Redoubt of Castle Arrgh- a somewhat tattered spectre drifts slowly through the halls and chambers... seeking his pistol... [flicker of blue light; rolling crash of thunder] oooooohhh... http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/02/okay_we_did_it_with_bill_now_lets_do_it_with_me.html#comment-15858 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/02/okay_we_did_it_with_bill_now_lets_do_it_with_me.html#comment-15858 Thu, 24 Feb 2005 19:57:49 -0600 Anybody know where "Factory 66" is? My 213 is stamped with a 66 within a triangle; absolutely no Chinese stampings. http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/02/okay_we_did_it_with_bill_now_lets_do_it_with_me.html#comment-15857 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/02/okay_we_did_it_with_bill_now_lets_do_it_with_me.html#comment-15857 Thu, 24 Feb 2005 19:50:43 -0600 I saw four dings. I imagine you've cleaned it. My (definitely, but still talks to me) ex-sweety has an Arisaka her Daddy brought home (late production, with gross tool marks) which has its Mum and some "brown" stains on the stock. She is absolutely opposed to cleaning off the "protein stains." http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/02/okay_we_did_it_with_bill_now_lets_do_it_with_me.html#comment-15855 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/02/okay_we_did_it_with_bill_now_lets_do_it_with_me.html#comment-15855 Thu, 24 Feb 2005 19:05:41 -0600 Brian H - That's the half-ring the lanyard clips to. http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/02/okay_we_did_it_with_bill_now_lets_do_it_with_me.html#comment-15853 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/02/okay_we_did_it_with_bill_now_lets_do_it_with_me.html#comment-15853 Thu, 24 Feb 2005 19:04:55 -0600 cw; I saw the same, plus a possible in the lower right corner of the grip. That's pretty fuzzy, but there's a streak and dimple I can't explain otherwise there. http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/02/okay_we_did_it_with_bill_now_lets_do_it_with_me.html#comment-15847 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/02/okay_we_did_it_with_bill_now_lets_do_it_with_me.html#comment-15847 Thu, 24 Feb 2005 18:06:51 -0600 SGT B - yep, and I should correct the earlier... the sent/recieved ratio from the pistol's perspective was 1 to 30, not the other way around. http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/02/okay_we_did_it_with_bill_now_lets_do_it_with_me.html#comment-15809 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/02/okay_we_did_it_with_bill_now_lets_do_it_with_me.html#comment-15809 Thu, 24 Feb 2005 15:08:54 -0600 *grin* Belts, huh? Since it didn't leave the field with its owner, and assuming that the owner didn't leave under his own steam... Does it really matter..? http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/02/okay_we_did_it_with_bill_now_lets_do_it_with_me.html#comment-15801 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/02/okay_we_did_it_with_bill_now_lets_do_it_with_me.html#comment-15801 Thu, 24 Feb 2005 14:48:21 -0600 Late as usual, I see. Even at highest res, I only see 4, myself. Ouch, indeed. http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/02/okay_we_did_it_with_bill_now_lets_do_it_with_me.html#comment-15775 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/02/okay_we_did_it_with_bill_now_lets_do_it_with_me.html#comment-15775 Thu, 24 Feb 2005 11:27:32 -0600 oh http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/02/okay_we_did_it_with_bill_now_lets_do_it_with_me.html#comment-15772 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/02/okay_we_did_it_with_bill_now_lets_do_it_with_me.html#comment-15772 Thu, 24 Feb 2005 11:18:06 -0600 John, Certainly, for its day the Tokarev was the cat's meow. At an age in which the best that the EuroWeenies could match was the 6.35x16mm, the TT was a Tiger in comparison. And besides, a parent's love is unconditional; specialy to his adopted children. http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/02/okay_we_did_it_with_bill_now_lets_do_it_with_me.html#comment-15770 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/02/okay_we_did_it_with_bill_now_lets_do_it_with_me.html#comment-15770 Thu, 24 Feb 2005 11:11:07 -0600 What Muffy said. The individual holding the pistol had just finished really pissing someone off by shooting it at them. Those were the 'ti-ti' hits. The sent/returned ratio was about 30 to 1. Then the belt had to be changed. http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/02/okay_we_did_it_with_bill_now_lets_do_it_with_me.html#comment-15769 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/02/okay_we_did_it_with_bill_now_lets_do_it_with_me.html#comment-15769 Thu, 24 Feb 2005 11:10:01 -0600 Claymore wouldn't have left that much pistol to be picked up. http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/02/okay_we_did_it_with_bill_now_lets_do_it_with_me.html#comment-15768 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/02/okay_we_did_it_with_bill_now_lets_do_it_with_me.html#comment-15768 Thu, 24 Feb 2005 11:04:39 -0600 Actually, could this have belonged to someone on the wrong side of a claymore? Looks possible. . . http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/02/okay_we_did_it_with_bill_now_lets_do_it_with_me.html#comment-15767 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/02/okay_we_did_it_with_bill_now_lets_do_it_with_me.html#comment-15767 Thu, 24 Feb 2005 10:54:36 -0600 I see 4, but there could be one more toward the front (a hazy area.) Which leads me to wonder, if the gun got hit 4 times, how many times did the owner get hit. Ouch. -SangerM http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/02/okay_we_did_it_with_bill_now_lets_do_it_with_me.html#comment-15764 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/02/okay_we_did_it_with_bill_now_lets_do_it_with_me.html#comment-15764 Thu, 24 Feb 2005 10:40:38 -0600 It's a 1966, for clarity's sake. Made at Factory 66. It did *not* however, come from where you might expect from that date. http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/02/okay_we_did_it_with_bill_now_lets_do_it_with_me.html#comment-15763 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/02/okay_we_did_it_with_bill_now_lets_do_it_with_me.html#comment-15763 Thu, 24 Feb 2005 10:38:48 -0600 Looks like six definite Close Encounters of the Third Kind with an M-79 round and two possibles, for a guess of eight: 1. Sleeve above safety. 2. Two possibles on top of sleeve, just to the right of #1. 3. Trigger. 4. Frame between grip and trigger. 5. Two on rear of frame, one intruding into grip. 6. Just below "8" of "1968." Lot of minor dings and pitting (good ol' ChiCom backyard blast-furnace steel). http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/02/okay_we_did_it_with_bill_now_lets_do_it_with_me.html#comment-15762 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/02/okay_we_did_it_with_bill_now_lets_do_it_with_me.html#comment-15762 Thu, 24 Feb 2005 10:36:40 -0600 It was an orphan, what could I do? Actually - I like the Tokarevs as shooters. Fit my hand comfortably, reasonably accurate. Not the most potent round, perhaps... but who uses just one anyway? http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/02/okay_we_did_it_with_bill_now_lets_do_it_with_me.html#comment-15759 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/02/okay_we_did_it_with_bill_now_lets_do_it_with_me.html#comment-15759 Thu, 24 Feb 2005 10:25:43 -0600 A 1966 Vintage, 7.62x25mm Tokarev Chink Knock-off. Nice museum piece; though I wouldn't like to get poked by one. Of all the baby pictures, its good to see that were willing to adopt even ugly ducklings like that. Good thing for you that its previous parent wasn't too quick on its trigger. At a quick glace, I count Four (4) chips: Middle-Rear Slide, Trigger, Lower Receiver, and Lower-Rear Hand Grip. http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/02/okay_we_did_it_with_bill_now_lets_do_it_with_me.html#comment-15755 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/02/okay_we_did_it_with_bill_now_lets_do_it_with_me.html#comment-15755 Thu, 24 Feb 2005 10:19:20 -0600 I see 4 hits. http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/02/okay_we_did_it_with_bill_now_lets_do_it_with_me.html#comment-15754 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/02/okay_we_did_it_with_bill_now_lets_do_it_with_me.html#comment-15754 Thu, 24 Feb 2005 10:12:48 -0600 6, maybe 7?? http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/02/okay_we_did_it_with_bill_now_lets_do_it_with_me.html#comment-15753 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/02/okay_we_did_it_with_bill_now_lets_do_it_with_me.html#comment-15753 Thu, 24 Feb 2005 10:11:23 -0600