We're the Military and Airpower Guys of Jonah Goldberg of National Review Online + a stray we found wandering around looking lost. All original material JHD, BHD, JR, WT, and KA 2003-2007 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/02/look_boss_da_plene_da_plene.html Sun, 03 Aug 2008 17:27:17 Z Movable Type 4.12 en Copyright 2008 http://www.rssboard.org/rss-specification Looking back over the last coupla week's posts, I see we've been neglecting a segment of our audience. We've had tanks, firearms, submarines, Marines... but I don't see any airplanes. Well we did have that English-Electric munchkin. Soooo... let's have a multi-national moment of Aero-Zen. Two RAF Phantoms flying by a Castle in, I assume, Germany. I at first glance thought it was Neuschwanstein Castle in Bavaria. ... except for being the wrong shape, color, and not in the mountains... Anybody know which castle that is?... http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/02/look_boss_da_plene_da_plene.html http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/02/look_boss_da_plene_da_plene.html Sun, 27 Feb 2005 11:25:02 -0600 Click on my name to view this lovely castle. The site is in English, easy to navigate and best of all, there is a webcam. The first of the Castle Tours! http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/02/look_boss_da_plene_da_plene.html#comment-16279 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/02/look_boss_da_plene_da_plene.html#comment-16279 Tue, 01 Mar 2005 09:55:27 -0600 It is Hohenzollern. Found a picture taken from below in a coffetable book "Castles and Fortresses" http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/02/look_boss_da_plene_da_plene.html#comment-16251 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/02/look_boss_da_plene_da_plene.html#comment-16251 Mon, 28 Feb 2005 20:48:41 -0600 http://www.scramble.nl/milbase.htm]]> http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/02/look_boss_da_plene_da_plene.html#comment-16215 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/02/look_boss_da_plene_da_plene.html#comment-16215 Mon, 28 Feb 2005 11:58:16 -0600 If memory serves right, this is the castle south of Ulm/Stuttgart where the bodys of Fredrich the Great and one of the other kaisers were kept after the Second World War. There was a US Army captain and one of the royal family decendents who were the frontline of this endevour. The bodys were removed from their burial places just after the war to prevent the diehard Nazis from using them as a rallying symbol. When I was there in the late sixties/early seventies the coffins were in the small chapel just behind the wing of the plane nearest to the viewer. Quite a pull up the mountain from the valley below, helluva view when you got there. http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/02/look_boss_da_plene_da_plene.html#comment-16213 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/02/look_boss_da_plene_da_plene.html#comment-16213 Mon, 28 Feb 2005 11:47:02 -0600 Well, that is where all the pretty castles are, although England went for stodgy and easily defended. I do remember moats and things, but not having studied them from a warrior's perspective, I never really paid much attention beyond the names for the parts. I also saw the 'Splendors of Dresden' exhibit when it came through the US either with the Tut Exhibit or right after. It was housed at the Veteran's Memorial Hall in San Francisco at Golden Gate Park. It took my parents and me TWO HOURS at a very fast walk to see everything. But the Hall of Armor was just fabulous. Inlay on weapons. Weapons and armor sized for princelings. Horses with armor and the caparisons, hand spun, sewn, embroidered, dyed with plant stuff and still stunning. Crude pistols and long rifles, and the evolution in firearm technology could be traced from 1500 onward. Took your breath away, it did. http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/02/look_boss_da_plene_da_plene.html#comment-16201 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/02/look_boss_da_plene_da_plene.html#comment-16201 Mon, 28 Feb 2005 09:50:33 -0600 Há, Wìth mÿ, nïfty lïttle Spiký këyboârd, Í càn dö döghnúts aröûnd ya'll. Thê ónlÿ thìng thât's a Pâín, is thë @ Sîgn. Güéss thÀt wË Çpiks, dön't E-MÁïl eâch òther tóö mûch. http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/02/look_boss_da_plene_da_plene.html#comment-16199 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/02/look_boss_da_plene_da_plene.html#comment-16199 Mon, 28 Feb 2005 09:41:37 -0600 Hohenzollern.]]> http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/02/look_boss_da_plene_da_plene.html#comment-16196 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/02/look_boss_da_plene_da_plene.html#comment-16196 Mon, 28 Feb 2005 09:35:02 -0600 I am not sure those are German jets; does the castle have to be in Germany??? http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/02/look_boss_da_plene_da_plene.html#comment-16192 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/02/look_boss_da_plene_da_plene.html#comment-16192 Mon, 28 Feb 2005 08:59:29 -0600 AFSis - I'll send you a shot of Srebrenik castle to spark your dreams. Cinderella would need chain barding if she lived there, 'cuz she wouldn't be able to turn the corners (or even get into the garderobe) in full plate. http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/02/look_boss_da_plene_da_plene.html#comment-16181 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/02/look_boss_da_plene_da_plene.html#comment-16181 Mon, 28 Feb 2005 08:06:25 -0600 Oh, FINE! Plan a vacation without me. Hmpf. I've never been to Europe, nor have I seen a real castle. I sure would like to though. oh well... maybe in my next lifetime.... The only castles in my future involve a princess named Cinderella and some wacko named John.... http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/02/look_boss_da_plene_da_plene.html#comment-16163 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/02/look_boss_da_plene_da_plene.html#comment-16163 Sun, 27 Feb 2005 22:54:10 -0600 Forget the castles... I'm loving those airplanes!!! Heh. Thanks. I don't feel so neglected... not that I really did.. :) http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/02/look_boss_da_plene_da_plene.html#comment-16162 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/02/look_boss_da_plene_da_plene.html#comment-16162 Sun, 27 Feb 2005 21:26:43 -0600 Bad Cat is correct - Neuschwanstein is a slightly mad mans fantasy. Much like anything the Armorer would build, should he ever remember to buy a lottery ticket. As for you, Neffi - is the MTO is "Bravo, 5 rounds DPICM" - you'd better duck. http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/02/look_boss_da_plene_da_plene.html#comment-16158 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/02/look_boss_da_plene_da_plene.html#comment-16158 Sun, 27 Feb 2005 20:50:34 -0600 err um I try not to slight the cannon-cockers John but if that's the tech term then the Helk with em! Bunch of boozin', skirt chasing goldbrickers... http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/02/look_boss_da_plene_da_plene.html#comment-16156 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/02/look_boss_da_plene_da_plene.html#comment-16156 Sun, 27 Feb 2005 20:32:53 -0600 I would love a castle tour! Only we have to walk slowly up stairs and drink a fair amount. http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/02/look_boss_da_plene_da_plene.html#comment-16155 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/02/look_boss_da_plene_da_plene.html#comment-16155 Sun, 27 Feb 2005 20:31:15 -0600 Bosnia's got more castles than you could shake two sticks at--all of 'em working and all of 'em worked over... http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/02/look_boss_da_plene_da_plene.html#comment-16154 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/02/look_boss_da_plene_da_plene.html#comment-16154 Sun, 27 Feb 2005 20:30:57 -0600 One of my favorite "working" castles (by BCR def, above) is Meersburg, on Lake Constance, just a ferry ride away from Mirnau Island (itself a wonderful place to visit in the right season). Fun to walk up to, great castle, and I think oldest standing in Germany. . . The dungeon was at the bottom of the main tower, prisoners were lowered through a hole in the floor, a long way down. Links, in german, here, also to main site which has lots more "architektur" links: www.engr.psu.edu/deutschlandsarchitektur/meersburg/sonstiges/burgm.html www.engr.psu.edu/deutschlandsarchitektur/ Also, a 1929 pic of both Hohenschwangau and Neuschwanstein in view. www.jlittlewood.com/pictures/deutschland/018.jpg And if you really like Germany and environs, this is a a great link to a site that has scores of OLD B&W photos of lots of places in Germany. A very good site: www.jlittlewood.com/pictures/deutschland/pix.htm http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/02/look_boss_da_plene_da_plene.html#comment-16153 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/02/look_boss_da_plene_da_plene.html#comment-16153 Sun, 27 Feb 2005 19:57:07 -0600 Working Castles: -do not have parking lots. They are hard to get to, on purpose. -have clear lines of fire, several lines of defense, and neat tricks to annoy any bad guys who manage to get past the first curtain wall. -usually ugly as sin -somebody, at some time, tried to batter down the gates with Intent to do Grievious Bodily Harm Neuschwanstein is pretty, but it never was used defensively. http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/02/look_boss_da_plene_da_plene.html#comment-16152 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/02/look_boss_da_plene_da_plene.html#comment-16152 Sun, 27 Feb 2005 19:41:04 -0600 Oh - and Mark, you might be confusing Hohenschwangau (which *is* the Castle across from Neuschwanstein) with Hollenzollern? http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/02/look_boss_da_plene_da_plene.html#comment-16151 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/02/look_boss_da_plene_da_plene.html#comment-16151 Sun, 27 Feb 2005 18:59:28 -0600 Mark - did you follow the links Rich provided? Zendo - thanks! Neffi - the technical term is "slighted"... http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/02/look_boss_da_plene_da_plene.html#comment-16150 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/02/look_boss_da_plene_da_plene.html#comment-16150 Sun, 27 Feb 2005 18:57:51 -0600 I don't think it is Hollenzollern Castle. That sits just across the valley from Neuschwanstein and its Yellow in cast. My son was posted with the 1st AD just north of Frankfurt for the last three years. The first year we went to see him and Germany. The next year we went to see Germany and him! Then there was that little matter of 15 months in Baghdad. That messed up my German vacation. Thank God, he came home though. So, I have no clue what castle that is! http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/02/look_boss_da_plene_da_plene.html#comment-16149 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/02/look_boss_da_plene_da_plene.html#comment-16149 Sun, 27 Feb 2005 18:51:36 -0600 http://www.intuitive.com/coolweb/entities.html Will let give you all the info on umlauts, and other neat characters like, ™ ¢ £ ¢ © etc. ]]> http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/02/look_boss_da_plene_da_plene.html#comment-16148 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/02/look_boss_da_plene_da_plene.html#comment-16148 Sun, 27 Feb 2005 18:48:19 -0600 do castles- castles are why artillery was developed in da foist place, eh? ]]> http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/02/look_boss_da_plene_da_plene.html#comment-16146 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/02/look_boss_da_plene_da_plene.html#comment-16146 Sun, 27 Feb 2005 18:35:11 -0600 Mike, the ever practical librarian...! Cricket - gimme a real email addy, womyn! Rich - Yer da winnah! That's got to be one of the few southern german castle's I missed in 14 years over there. Of course, the first two don't count since they were Years 1 & 2 of the Armorer's existence... Cricket - intriguing idea... old farts do Castles... http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/02/look_boss_da_plene_da_plene.html#comment-16142 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/02/look_boss_da_plene_da_plene.html#comment-16142 Sun, 27 Feb 2005 17:58:07 -0600 ä = alt 0228 ë = alt 0235 ï = alt 0239 ö = alt 0246 ü = alt 0252 ÿ = alt 0255 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/02/look_boss_da_plene_da_plene.html#comment-16141 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/02/look_boss_da_plene_da_plene.html#comment-16141 Sun, 27 Feb 2005 16:50:47 -0600 The Middle Ages were kewl. And re enacting them even more so. splain a 'working castle.' I have really only been to a couple, as we were poor enlisted. Most of us here are retired, right? Heh. I wonder what AFRC could come up with on a MAC tour. heheh.. I have been to Adlerhof. That TRULY is breathtaking. Dunster Castle in the UK, in Somerset County, and the Hohenfest (the fortress on top of the hill overlooking Salzburg)were wonderful, and then the scruples' favorite hangout, the Kriminal Museum. I would like to go back and really look around at villas, castles, palaces, manors. I think Anne Bolyne's childhood home is just lovely. And even though I have bashed Jacque ChIraq, I wouldn't mind going through the Loire Valley. And Holyrood, where Mary Stuart lived...and Rizzio died. http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/02/look_boss_da_plene_da_plene.html#comment-16138 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/02/look_boss_da_plene_da_plene.html#comment-16138 Sun, 27 Feb 2005 15:56:27 -0600 http://stronghold.heavengames.com/history/cw/cw41 http://www.uni-tuebingen.de/allcach2002?sflag=soc http://www.preussen.de/de/heute/burg_hohenzollern.html ]]> http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/02/look_boss_da_plene_da_plene.html#comment-16137 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/02/look_boss_da_plene_da_plene.html#comment-16137 Sun, 27 Feb 2005 15:43:46 -0600 Oooh. Castles. My friends in Europe know how to tempt me to visit. All they have to say is "castles nearby." Name-link goes to some pictures of some pretty cool ones. I like the "working" castles more than the touristy ones, although Courdes-sur-ciel manages to do a good job with both. I was quite put out that they all refuse to let me practice mangonel assaults, though. And they are out of boiling oil for the duration. http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/02/look_boss_da_plene_da_plene.html#comment-16135 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/02/look_boss_da_plene_da_plene.html#comment-16135 Sun, 27 Feb 2005 15:02:46 -0600 Cricket - that is an awesome idea. I have told my husband that one of my dream trips would be to visit "Crazy Ludwig's" castles. I'm sure there are others worth seeing, but my brother's pictures of these castles always intrigued me. He was based in Stuttgart in the early 70's (Army), and came home with tons of slides! It would be much fun to have the military historian types along to 'splain it all :-) http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/02/look_boss_da_plene_da_plene.html#comment-16133 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/02/look_boss_da_plene_da_plene.html#comment-16133 Sun, 27 Feb 2005 14:38:43 -0600 Schloss is castle and schussel is key. Go figger. A language only the Germans could have invented. I can't do an umlaut on my keyboard. Sorry. I am looking and thanks for the links to Neuschwanstein. We oughta have a Castle get together. Tour the awesome castles of Europe. I could stay in London for a year. The Tower and Windsor as well as other places like Museums. http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/02/look_boss_da_plene_da_plene.html#comment-16130 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/02/look_boss_da_plene_da_plene.html#comment-16130 Sun, 27 Feb 2005 13:30:50 -0600 Kinda looks like the Slosch(spl) Von Castelle. http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/02/look_boss_da_plene_da_plene.html#comment-16129 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/02/look_boss_da_plene_da_plene.html#comment-16129 Sun, 27 Feb 2005 12:11:34 -0600