We're the Military and Airpower Guys of Jonah Goldberg of National Review Online + a stray we found wandering around looking lost. All original material JHD, BHD, JR, WT, and KA 2003-2010 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/02/another_rest_of_the_story.html Sat, 24 Mar 2012 16:04:26 Z Movable Type 4.12 en Copyright 2012 http://www.rssboard.org/rss-specification this time, from a crew member of the USS San Francisco, the sub that hit the seamount. With pics. Thoughtfully provided by Bill the Rotorhead. [I'm pulling the pictures, as it's been pointed out to me that they reveal elements of the internal structure that should have been covered in the photos (or at least the pics shouldn't be 'in the wild' which they are). I'm an agreeable sort, so I'll just provide this link - which has *almost* as much detail, from the Navy's official photo website. It's the story that's important, anyway. .ed] This was forwarded to us... http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/02/another_rest_of_the_story.html http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/02/another_rest_of_the_story.html Tue, 08 Feb 2005 06:33:05 -0600 As do all of you, I've extended my condolences to the family of the sailor who died in this event. The incident is of particular concern to me because I am a Marine Geospatial Intelligence Analyst for the Maritime Division of the National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency. All of us are terribly concerned that in some way a failure on our part had contributed to the accident. We truly strive to match our division's old name, the "Maritime SAFETY INFORMATION Division". We live to make it safer for those who live at sea. The fact that the SF was almost certainly using one of our sub-specific products has us double-checking our data. The truth of the matter is that the Navy sets the priorities of what areas get surveyed, of what areas get charted. There is not enough money to survey the entire world. The area of the accident simply did not have detailed data available for us to chart. I do not work in the area that prepared that chart but I have friends who have been involved in our internal investigation. So far they have told me that the charted data was the best available. I'm sure ultimately the Navy's investigation will prove or disprove that. http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/02/another_rest_of_the_story.html#comment-14383 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/02/another_rest_of_the_story.html#comment-14383 Fri, 11 Feb 2005 20:45:45 -0600 I was aboard a few of them too. One was just to tour, when I was in Naval Nuclear Power School ( it was the USS Baton Rouge) and then the USS Phoenix and USS Hyman G. Rickover for a combined 4 years. I walked past the San Francisco many times when it was still stationed in Norfolk. Everytime I see this picture it makes my stomach feel funny. Not "ha ha" funny either. But as mentioned earlier, it could have been much worse. Note that the damage is focused on the port side ( that is left facing the front of the boat ) which means that this was a somewhat glancing blow. They had just finished a field day, where people are crawling in hard to reach and generally pointy places to clean. Deck plates are removed to access certain areas, which would have added many, heavy, pointy things flying through the air. A lot of the racks (beds) are aligned fore to aft. Those with heads pointing forward would crash top of head first into the wall of their rack. That squished ball with the brick looking thingies is "hollow" in the middle with a hatch you can access the inside of the ball from the inside of the hull proper. It was open not too long before the collision, and that "ball" doesn't look watertight anymore. I wonder if any of my former shipmates were aboard when she hit. I wonder if any of my former students were crewmembers. So far, I haven't seen any familiar names. http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/02/another_rest_of_the_story.html#comment-14032 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/02/another_rest_of_the_story.html#comment-14032 Tue, 08 Feb 2005 14:01:15 -0600 I was on board a sub once...the USS Olympia. Made me extemely grateful that we have men who are willing to sacrifice so much. What really got me were the bunks in the torpedo bay (is that correct? I am an Army spouse so I am not familiar with technical terms for other services' equipment)and the blind driving that has to be done. Not a job for the faint of heart. http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/02/another_rest_of_the_story.html#comment-14018 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/02/another_rest_of_the_story.html#comment-14018 Tue, 08 Feb 2005 10:45:07 -0600