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Sometimes, things just come together...

Such as these two unrelated bits of information.

First - as we know, Asimov hasn't won the fight yet regarding robotics. This is a robot that does not follow the First Law. Of course, there are some who feel the Three Laws of Robotics are unfair to robots and therefore unethical.

ORLANDO, Fla., Dec. 6, 2004 – Soldiers may have armed robots as battle buddies by early next year, according to industry and military officials attending the biennial Army Science Conference.

The Special Weapons Observation Reconnaissance Detection System, or SWORDS, will be joining Stryker Brigade soldiers in Iraq when it finishes final testing, said Staff Sgt. Santiago Tordillos, a bomb disposal test and evaluation noncommissioned officer in charge with the Explosive Ordnance Disposal Technology Directorate of the Army’s Armament Research, Development and Engineering Center at Picatinny Arsenal, N.J.

The full article is here.

Kinda cool. Armed robot to go into dangerous places. I know I'd much rather send in a robot than kick down a door myself. Despite what the 'fair fight' whiners might have to say on the subject. I suspect that this little gizmo isn't going to be quite as good as expected, depending on how the sensor package works and how that feedback is perceived and acted on by the operator. But that will improve quickly under the influence of operations. However, that thought leads us to the "Things that make ya go, hmmmmm." confluence.

Today, CAPT H sent along this little article from CNN.

WASHINGTON (Reuters) -- Four people were able to control a computer using their thoughts and an electrode-studded "thinking cap", U.S. researchers reported Monday.

They said their set-up could someday be adapted to help disabled people operate a motorized wheelchair or artificial limb.

While experiments have allowed a monkey to control a computer with its thoughts, electrodes were implanted into the animal's brain. This experiment, reported in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, required no surgery and no implants.

All that's missing here is a direct feedback loop from the sensors. In terms of the robot, I mean. For the subjects in the 'thinking cap' experiment, there was a direct feedback loop with the sensors - the sensors were their eyes.

I'm talking about direct feeds of multiple sensor data (presumably enhanced over normal human parameters) back to the robot operator, with their responses being automatic.

Stuff of science fiction, eh? And closer than we think, I suspect, though not 'just around the corner.'

But Bolo's are getting closer.

The whole CNN article is here, until 21 December 04.

8 Comments

Kewl! I want a battle buddy, too!! Seriously - anything that helps keep our guys (and gals) protected is a good thing. I hope the devices prove to be effective in actual use.
 
Bolos! WoW! I hadn't thought of those in YEARS!! For me, Laumer's Bolo stories were right up there with Dickson's Donal Graeme and the Dorsai! And the Lensmen, and... Well, suffice to say, I LOVED old SF, and the Bolos were among the best tech toys I remember. As for battle buddies, the engineers and the MPs ahve been using robots for several years now, as you well know, and the AF is moving ahead full steam with the UCAS (unmanned combat air system), a fighter that has no pilot in it. I also suspect the Navy has a couple of unmanned armed subs too. It won't be long, I suspect, till our army will be like the Empire's forces in Star Wars, humans in envrionmental suits with fully integrated NBC, Comms, Armor, and C3I systems, supported by special purpose droids. I have thought so since I first saw star wars in the mid 70's! -SangerM
 
How about this.... A Small (Ie RC toy sized) robot Has a nice..say C4 Shaped charge with a contact detonator on a telescoping arm. and (maybe) a camera. Trooper maneuvers it up to where its facing the door... pushes the button... arm extends.. BLAMM door becomes so much shrapnel in the room.. no more door. Bet you can make a mill spec for under $500
 
How about this.... A Small (Ie RC toy sized) robot Has a nice..say C4 Shaped charge with a contact detonator on a telescoping arm. and (maybe) a camera. Trooper maneuvers it up to where its facing the door... pushes the button... arm extends.. BLAMM door becomes so much shrapnel in the room.. no more door. Bet you can make a mill spec for under $500
 
Hmmmmm ... looks like I have to renew the tinfoil on my hat. Sure, I'm willing to allow a 'robot' to "kick down the door" instead of doing it myself, but I'm not entirely convicned by the available information that this will replace the Grunt. Murphy's law rules, and especially here. Or is this the Luddite side of me speaking? Either way, the battle isn't over until the Infantry takes the ground, and holds it. Just a cautionary warning that The Queen of Battle hasn't yet been replaced by The Tin Man. And I doubt it ever will be.
 
Humans will not always be needed. We humans are biased, so we like to think so, but the reality is somewhat less comforting, I think. We like stories in which there is always a fatal flaw in the enemy, and which is only ours to discover. Standard fare in every story line; even the bolos could be killed (eventually). Unfortunately, even if there is a fatal flaw in a system, it may not be possible to take advantage of the flaw in time to avoid dying. Also, while will power and stick-to-it-iveness certainly count, machines could care less, they only stop when told or when they are destroyed. A machine would be an implacable enemy, and an especially fearsome one because the enemy knows compassion is NOT an issue. In f act, with war machines, the base issues are sensor reliability, observed spectrum, and discrimination; power mgmt and reliability, decision and discretion systems (what's an enemy, what not), self-security, and human safety. While it's true that a trained, skilled human can currently ID threats (or non-threats) and react appropriately more quickly than a machine in ambiguous situations--when there are many people in a dark room, of whom only 2 are the enemy--that may not be a relevant point much longer. We have missile systems that can reliably ID and kill tanks on the road. The UCAS is going to be an effective air superiority system because all it has to do is shoot down anything that is not ours. If an occasional friendly gets splashed, that's really not a big deal in the overall scheme of things (don't read more into that comment than it deserves--of course one person matters, but not really so much in the macro view--that's why a 1000 US combat deaths may be devastating at the individual and local level, but have almost no affect on the overall war effort. But I digress.) Certainly, while there will always be a need for people to conduct hostage rescue or other highly sensitive collateral-damage avoidance missions, people are not necessarily needed in a declared hostile fire zone. It is easy to make machines that will autonomously shoot at and reliably kill anything that moves e.g., the Phalanx naval guns (http://www.chinfo.navy.mil/navpalib/factfile/weapons/wep-phal.html). In fact, I understand the biggest problem with the Phalanx is that is doesn't always know when to stop shooting (big pieces become small pieces, but they are still moving, etc.) I don't think we are at the point where machines could have alone fought the battle in Fallujah, imagine the benefits if a droid was used to check every body. Or if the droid was sent into the room first. If nothing else it would draw fire... And they enemy could not ignore it because sensors would report their presence anyway. No, I think the flavor and essence of war is going to change is ways we haven't even begun to think about yet. It may be that the rich nations will use their machines to kill the soldiers of the poorer nations. It may be that the machines of the rich nations will fight one another, but I think really that if it comes to that, we are back looking at attacks on civil populations because that's all that will matter. But again I digress... Sorry. Just some not-so coherent thoughts. -SangeM
 
Sorry about the double posts ... > HELL NO!!!! But for however it can cheaply be made (radioshack version say $50 plus C4). That's worth one life/injury to me... (heck it would be at 500). What role I see for robots in combat is to do things that are 'simple' but deadly. The example above kicking in a door (or shooting it open etc). Once the decision is made to force open a door. Why NOT have a disposable robot do it? Not that our marines (soldiers etc etc) arn't willing and perfectly able to do this (and better then any army in history). Me..I'd rather hear the MSM report "The 1st MEF lost almost ten thousand dollars worth of robots today attempting to probe suspected freedome fighter hold outs", then Then "Dear Mrs. Smith.. I regret to inform you..." Ohh guess I am ranting.. guess I'll stop...
 
Maybe I don't remember my Bolo's enough, but I'll tell you what this reminds me of. Warbots, a series of books that came out in the 80's that I devoured. It was a typical novel of it's time, but the ideas in it were at the time fresh and exciting for me. The army had moved to an entirely neurally controlled robot force, keeping troopers out of the field and line of danger. But there were problems with this force structure... namely protecting the controllers and what happens when you can't have a large 'bot do what you need it to, like hostage rescue. Thus the army creates a "new" unit old style, where the troops are putting their skin out there in the thick of it. Instead of larger remote-neurally controlled 'bots, they use smaller, voice command ones to suppliment their forces. Anyway... it's an interesting read. Technology was believable used for it's time, and it was smartly written. Hard to find now, but I've managed to find some on www.abebooks.com.
 
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