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  <title>Comments for Okay, sports fans.</title>
  <subtitle>We&apos;re the Military and Airpower Guys of Jonah Goldberg of National Review Online + a stray we found wandering around looking lost.  All original material JHD, BHD, JR, WT,  and KA 2003-2010</subtitle>
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    <published>2004-11-09T13:08:56Z</published>
    <updated>2006-11-11T16:52:16Z</updated>
    <title>Okay, sports fans.</title>
    <summary>This one was tougher than I expected. It even disturbed the Commissar. Dunno why, though. It&apos;s Commie iron. Arditi and Captain H pretty well nailed it, with just a little help. Here&apos;s your final clue to the challenge. New pics also added to the album. Apparently, not many of you have seen the inside of many tanks. And at least two of you who have, CW4Bill and the Instapilot, have only seen the interiors of tanks because you blew their turrets off, which does make it hard to get a good sense of the interiors, what with the altitudes, ranges,...</summary>
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      <name>The Armorer</name>
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    <category term="Global War on Terror (GWOT)" />
    
    <category term="Gun Pr0n - A Naughty Expose&apos; of the fiddly bits" />
    
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      <![CDATA[<p>This one was tougher than I expected.  It even <b><a href="http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/003080.html">disturbed the Commissar</a></b>.  Dunno why, though.  It's Commie iron.  Arditi and Captain H pretty well nailed it, with just a little help.</p>

<p>Here's your final clue to <a href="http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/003080.html">the challenge</a>.  New pics also added to <b><a href="http://www.fototime.com/inv/8089A8C85CF50E7">the album</a></b>.  Apparently, not many of you have seen the inside of many tanks.  And at least two of you who have, CW4Bill and the Instapilot, have only seen the interiors of tanks because you blew their turrets off, which does make it hard to get a good sense of the interiors, what with the altitudes, ranges, speed and all.</p>

<p><img src="http://www.fototime.com/EAE82F3CC670DD6/standard.jpg" border=0></p>

<p>This beast is one of <b><a href="http://www.fototime.com/848FC9E1BD2DFEB/orig.jpg">several vehicles</a></b> kept around here so SOF soldiers can learn how to hotwire 'em, drive 'em, shoot 'em, and blow 'em up.  Hey, if you know how to use the other guy's stuff, you don't have to bring as much of your own, eh?</p>]]>
      
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    <id>tag:www.thedonovan.com,2004://1.3094-comment:8436</id>
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    <title>Comment from cw4billt on 2004-11-10</title>
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        JDM,

FSD means 
a. Foreign Steel Directorate.
b. Funky Scrap Department.
c. Firing System Defunct.
d. Fix Suspension Defects.
e. All/None/Any of the above.
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    <published>2004-11-10T12:58:55Z</published>
    <updated>2004-11-10T12:58:55Z</updated>
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    <id>tag:www.thedonovan.com,2004://1.3094-comment:8429</id>
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    <title>Comment from gunner on 2004-11-09</title>
    <author>
        <name>gunner</name>
        <uri>http://noquarters.blogspot.com</uri>
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        I was about to ask &quot;what loader&quot;, then checked it out. They did not remove the loader until the 64 model.
4 guys in that would be cramped.
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    <published>2004-11-10T04:56:24Z</published>
    <updated>2004-11-10T04:56:24Z</updated>
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    <id>tag:www.thedonovan.com,2004://1.3094-comment:8424</id>
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    <title>Comment from SangerM on 2004-11-09</title>
    <author>
        <name>SangerM</name>
        
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        <![CDATA[That damn driver's hatch kept throwing me.  It is a T55 upgun (not that you need me to agree).  Good thing I didn't bet, I thought 62, but there is an excellent picture of an upgunned t55 drivers hatch at 
<a href="http://tanxheaven.com/ludob/t55am2/PICT1382.JPG" rel="nofollow">this link</a>!  The small tubes/pipes running along the front of the hatch-well threw me, as did the sudden drop off to the immediate left front of the hatch...  Oh well.

BTW, for those who've never been inside a maneuvering, firing tank, the lack of an attached rotating turret floor must really sucks for the loader, who has to shuffle around with the rounds as he watches for turret-attached hardware coming his way. And all the used casings on the floor.  I used to think M60s were cramped, then I saw one of these up close...  Screw that!!

-SangerM
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    <published>2004-11-10T03:19:27Z</published>
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    <id>tag:www.thedonovan.com,2004://1.3094-comment:8423</id>
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    <title>Comment from John of Argghhh! on 2004-11-09</title>
    <author>
        <name>John of Argghhh!</name>
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        JDM - Foreign Studies Directorate.

Gunner - CAPT H is, as ever, correct.  I myself have never seen them without the machinegun turret.  I had to look twice to confirm what they were.  Those are some cramped little two-man vehicles!
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    <published>2004-11-10T02:49:25Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from J.M. Heinrichs on 2004-11-09</title>
    <author>
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        <![CDATA[Gunner: They're Wiesels.
<a href="http://www.twilightarmouries.ca/AFV/LAV/mak_wiesel_2.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.twilightarmouries.ca/AFV/LAV/mak_wiesel_2.htm</a>

Cheers
JMH]]>
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    <published>2004-11-10T02:44:11Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from gunner on 2004-11-09</title>
    <author>
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        <uri>http://noquarters.blogspot.com</uri>
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        What are the three or so small vehicles along the fence? Simply training vehicles or a tankette?
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    <published>2004-11-10T02:33:30Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Rod on 2004-11-09</title>
    <author>
        <name>Rod</name>
        <uri>http://www.roderickhoward.com</uri>
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        Now that thing looks like it could do some damage. Blow em up.

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    <published>2004-11-10T00:17:22Z</published>
    <updated>2004-11-10T00:17:22Z</updated>
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    <title>Comment from JDM on 2004-11-09</title>
    <author>
        <name>JDM</name>
        <uri>http://www.armyofone.org</uri>
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        Okay, you guys are all so smart...what do the letters spraypainted on the front mean?  FSD?

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    <published>2004-11-10T00:11:41Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from tankjunkie on 2004-11-09</title>
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        Come on guys, everyone knows that this is a upgraded t-55, the t-54 100mm did not have a bore evacuator..... probably picked up in the balkans with that paint job and add-on site on the top of the turret and the add on bra...
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    <published>2004-11-09T22:21:04Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from cw4billt on 2004-11-09</title>
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        Dunno if the spaced steel turret-bustle qualifies as &quot;standoff applique armor&quot;...
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    <published>2004-11-09T21:46:26Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Instapilot on 2004-11-09</title>
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        <name>Instapilot</name>
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        It&apos;s a bad guy tank. Guns. Heh.
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    <published>2004-11-09T20:48:54Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from mudpuppy on 2004-11-09</title>
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        Checking out the gun tube.... I pronounce this a T54 100mm rifled gun with bore evacuator at the end of the tube is a dead give away to any of us &quot;land combat&quot; types. this tank has been upgraded with the standoff applique armor and the goodies inside.
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    <published>2004-11-09T20:31:50Z</published>
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    <id>tag:www.thedonovan.com,2004://1.3094-comment:8407</id>
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    <title>Comment from Heartless Libertarian on 2004-11-09</title>
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        And here I was guessing M24 Chaffee...

Course, I&apos;ve only seen inside a Brad, Abrams, LAV-25, and Challenger.
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    <published>2004-11-09T17:41:22Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from SangerM on 2004-11-09</title>
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        Funny--I was more certain of what it is from looking at the insides.  It&apos;s the base-model that I guessed (not many have a left-side driver), but I don&apos;t know enough to ID the variant/redesigns  beyond what you&apos;ve revealed so far.  Good job you guys who got it from the photo&apos;s John posted!  Wow!

-SangerM
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    <published>2004-11-09T15:01:52Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Cybrludite on 2004-11-09</title>
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        As I e-mailed from work, it&apos;s a heck of a lot easier to ID them from the outside. The POV from the driver&apos;s hatch &amp; the clunky interior had me thinking it was an upgraded Sherman. Hell, with the &quot;bra&quot; armor, I can tell you the letters that follow the numbers. (And just what is it w/ Army intel guys &amp; boobs? The &quot;bra&quot; armor on this and the &quot;Dolly Parton&quot; model of T-72... Sheesh!)
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    <published>2004-11-09T14:41:40Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from cw4billt on 2004-11-09</title>
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        Grumpf. Should&apos;a remembered about the commonality of certain Cyrillic letters with Englitch (and me a Suvorov/Rezun fan, too)--way to go, Arditi and Captain H!

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    <published>2004-11-09T14:29:33Z</published>
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