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  <title>Comments for Congratulations to CAPT H!</title>
  <subtitle>We&apos;re the Military and Airpower Guys of Jonah Goldberg of National Review Online + a stray we found wandering around looking lost.  All original material JHD, BHD, JR, WT,  and KA 2003-2010</subtitle>
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    <title>Congratulations to CAPT H!</title>
    <summary>The most seriously geeky respondent to the picture of the Lloyd Carrier was: Herr Rittmeister Heinrichs, &#368;ber-Tanker! (he suggested the titles) &quot;&#368;ber-Tanker&quot; wrote: 1. Generic? It&apos;s a tracked Anti-tank gun. At the Brussels War Museum. 2. The placard identifies it as a &quot;Loyd/90mm C.A.T.I.&quot; The chassis is that of the Loyd Carrier (not previously discussed, see below). The Carrier&apos;s glacis was sloped for better protection and now mounts the gunshield of the 90mm MECAR AT/light field gun. The gun itself appears to be mounted between the driver (on the left) and the Crew Commander/Gunner and here. 3. a. Here&apos;s http://tanxheaven.com/fedcol/loyd90mmcati/3.JPG,...</summary>
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      <![CDATA[<p>The most seriously geeky respondent to the <b><a href="http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/002863.html">picture of the Lloyd Carrier</a></b> was:</p>

<p>Herr Rittmeister Heinrichs, &#368;ber-Tanker! (he suggested the titles)</p>

<blockquote>"&#368;ber-Tanker" wrote:

<p> 1. Generic? It's a tracked Anti-tank gun. At the  Brussels War Museum.<br />
 2. The placard identifies it as a "Loyd/90mm  C.A.T.I." The chassis is<br />
 that of the Loyd Carrier (not previously discussed, see below). The<br />
 Carrier's glacis was sloped for better protection and now mounts the<br />
 gunshield of the 90mm MECAR AT/light field gun. The gun itself appears to be mounted  between the driver (on the left) and the <a href="http://tanxheaven.com/fedcol/loyd90mmcati/1.JPG "><b>Crew Commander/Gunner</b> </a> and <a href="http://tanxheaven.com/fedcol/loyd90mmcati/4.JPG"><b>here</b></a>.<br />
   <br />
 3. 	a. Here's http://tanxheaven.com/fedcol/loyd90mmcati/3.JPG, and a <a href="http://www.klm-mra.be/tankmuseum/Albums/Cour%20Carree/PA040037.jpg"><b>better quality version</b></a>.<br />
	b. and here <b><a href="http://www.afvbe.com/component/option,com_gallery/task,displayimage/album,29/pos,11/"><b>after refurbishment for a parade</b></a></b>.<br />
	c. <a href=" http://www.afvbe.com/component/option,com_gallery/task,displayimage/album,29/pos,13/"><b>the gun mount</b></a>.<br />
 	d. <b><a href=" http://www.afvbe.com/component/option,com_gallery/task,displayimage/album,29/pos,14/">overall rear view</a></b>.<br />
	e. MECAR <b><a href=" http://www.thesupplybunker.net/weapons/mecar_90_28_90mm.txt"><b>90mm Ammo</b></a></b> info.<br />
 	f. <b><a href=" http://www.mecar.be/">MECAR SA now produces ammo</a></b> only.<br />
 	g. <a href="http://www.mapleleafup.org/vehicles/carriers/loyd.html"><b>Loyd carrier here</b></a>.</blockquote></p>

<p>While John may have 'won' the race, so to speak, there were several other searchers, including people who guessed wrong initially, but went seeking and came back with right answers (see why I shut off the comments - I don't know about  you, but *I* had more fun this way!)</p>

<p>Sanger, in addition to figuring it out, <b><a href="http://ampsnz.hobbyvista.com/realafvs/WWII/Brit/Softskin/Lloyd%20carrier/loyd.htm">found some pictures</a></b> others didn't send in.</p>

<p>Just about everybody who tried found the "<b><a href="http://www.mapleleafup.org/vehicles/carriers/loyd.html">Maple Leaf Up</a></b>" stuff.</p>

<p>Sean had a correct answer and found the same picture store (I think) that <br />
CAPT H. did.</p>

<p>Andy also came in with some of the stuff that others did - but deserves a mention because he came in with good complete answers and not the usual stuff.</p>

<p>Monteith plumped in with some new terminology for me:</p>

<blockquote>Ok, it's a Lloyd Carrier (Pumpkin on the front, not the rear).
The Belgians often did things like this. I don't  think its a standard British conversion. Looks to be a 57mm or 75mm gun on there. I'll have to dig 
through my books later.</blockquote>

<p>He's apparently still leafing through his books, since I haven't heard from him since - but I won't get pissy since he's invited me to drive or ride one of his vehicles in the Atlanta Veteran's Day Parade.  Want to get easy treatment from the Armorer, offer bribes like that!</p>

<p>And Chris, along with Monteith and CAPT H, the so far unmatched armor geeks at the Castle, also weighed in with a correct answer.</p>

<p>Thanks also to Jack, of Random Fate, who took the picture, and has <b><a href="http://www.randomfate.net/RF-new/archives/001121.html">posted some more of his work </a></b>at his own site!</p>

<p>Thanks guys - I don't know if you had fun, but I did, and I hope I can find something else to be something of a challenge in the future.  Feel free to drop suggestions if you come across photos of odd vehicles, airplanes or weapons - we can always gin up another Internet Scavenger Hunt.</p>

<p>Who knows, if I ever finally get motivated enough to the Cafe Press thing, there might even be a prize someday other than just bragging rights!</p>]]>
      
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    <title>Comment from Jack on 2005-02-28</title>
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        The Loyd Carrier sounds like something out of &quot;Junkyard Wars&quot; (if that is still on cable in the US), putting disparate pieces together to make something that serves the current need.

I loved that show...  the first few seasons, anyway, especially the British version, called &quot;Scrapheap&quot; in the UK.

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    <published>2005-02-28T16:15:44Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from John of Argghhh! on 2004-10-04</title>
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        Which means that I have to take some of the blame here for my extra &apos;L&apos;!
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    <title>Comment from J.M. Heinrichs on 2004-10-04</title>
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        Carden-Lloyd was the company which developed and marketed a series of light armoured vehicles during the late 1920&apos;s and into the mid thirties. Sir John Carden was the designer and Lloyd managed an engineering/machine shop. Their vehicles were called &apos;tankettes&apos; because they were less than light tanks; the original concept was a one-man vehicle based very loosely on a motorcycle. Their final design was the Light Tank Mk4, is service at the start of the War.
The Loyd Carrier, however, was based on the reversed drive train of a small Ford(?) truck attached to the suspension and other bits of the Universal Carrier. It was designed by the firm of Vivian Loyd &amp; Company.

Cheers
JMH
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    <title>Comment from triticale on 2004-10-04</title>
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        I missed this one, but am surprised by the answers. I always thought the correct name was Cardan-Lloyd.

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