We're the Military and Airpower Guys of Jonah Goldberg of National Review Online + a stray we found wandering around looking lost. All original material JHD, BHD, JR, WT, and KA 2003-2010 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2004/10/another_view_of_the_mutinous_platoon.html Sat, 24 Mar 2012 16:06:07 Z Movable Type 4.12 en Copyright 2012 http://www.rssboard.org/rss-specification This was in the comments to the post below, but I thought it presents a view of the issue that should see a broader light of day. From SangerM: Just for the conversation: Once, while in the field on a REFORGER, I refused a lawful order given me (several times, clearly) by my PSG. I was a SGT on the 6-list, he was a SSG. The details don't matter, really, but this may be instructive for those who have never done so, or felt they had to. 1) I did NOT do so lightly. 2) I told my subordinates they... http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2004/10/another_view_of_the_mutinous_platoon.html http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2004/10/another_view_of_the_mutinous_platoon.html Sun, 17 Oct 2004 08:49:34 -0600 Yes, you are correct. The real point being, none of us have enough info to come down definitively one way or another - but the discussion will serve to inform non-military readers of more aspects to the story than the MSM is giving. The whole point of the blogosphere! http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2004/10/another_view_of_the_mutinous_platoon.html#comment-7650 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2004/10/another_view_of_the_mutinous_platoon.html#comment-7650 Sun, 17 Oct 2004 09:54:20 -0600 All well and good. However, the question is LAWFUL order not LOGICAL order. Any of us who spent more than one tour in any service were given, and expected to follow, stupid orders. We were not given the luxury to decide which ones to let pass. Now, many times our responses required creativity, but the expectation is that we respond. As far as the mission in Iraq, I wasn't there and cannot determine the circumstances. That's why there will be an Article 32 investigation. As for my response to the personal anecdote, in my 44 months of command, I had a couple soldiers probably very much like the young E-5 telling his story - guys worth saving, but who needed to know the rules. That's what the summarized Article 15 was good for - it didn't go anywhere or hurt anybody's career - but it sure got their attention. "Charlie Mike", ML http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2004/10/another_view_of_the_mutinous_platoon.html#comment-7647 http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2004/10/another_view_of_the_mutinous_platoon.html#comment-7647 Sun, 17 Oct 2004 09:30:50 -0600