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    <published>2004-10-31T17:13:51Z</published>
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    <title>Andersonville</title>
    <summary> &quot;Theirs was not the glory of death on the firing line. Penned in by the Dead Line, wasted by disease, far from home and loved ones, they were mercifully mustered out, leaving as a heritage to the nation the memory of a devotion as limitless as eternity itself.&quot; Address by Governor A.T. Bliss, at the dedication of the Michigan Monument, Andersonville, May 30, 1904. Andersonville sucked. In 1864 the war was not going well for the Confederacy. Grant and Sherman were starting the long grind that would end the war a year later, and the pressure on Confederate resources...</summary>
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<center><i><b>"Theirs was not the glory of death on the firing line.  Penned in by the Dead Line, wasted by disease, far from home and loved ones, they were mercifully mustered out, leaving as a heritage to the nation the memory of a devotion as limitless as eternity itself."</b></i></center>
Address by Governor A.T. Bliss, at the dedication of the Michigan Monument, Andersonville,  May 30, 1904.

<p>Andersonville sucked.  In 1864 the war was not going well for the Confederacy.  Grant and Sherman were starting the long grind that would end the war a year later, and the pressure on Confederate resources was high.  To relieve some of the pressure on the Army of Northern Virginia, both in terms of security and food supplies, the Confederate government moved the Union prisoners of war from the Richmond area to other camps in the south, establishing a new one, that would be the largest of them, at Camp Sumter, near Andersonville, Georgia.  The intent was also to get Union prisoners nearer to food supplies as well, though in the event... that didn't happen.</p>

<p>The site chosen <b><a href="http://www.fototime.com./0D4F6ADAAC9A3B9/standard.jpg">was to eventually encompass 26.5 acres</a></b> (in the photo, you'll see two lines of white posts that mark the deadline and stockade - photo taken from the <b><a href="http://www.fototime.com./95C9C8537E91390/standard.jpg">'star fort' </a></b>at the souther end, which was Camp Sumter Headquarters).  Essentially a rectangle, it was anchored at the ends on hilltops, <b><a href="http://www.fototime.com./9671CD1F2B8A82A/standard.jpg">with a valley and stream</a></b> in center.  The intent was for the prisoners to get their drinking and cooking water at the inlet side, bathe in the middle, and latrines at the outlet.  A good enough plan on paper, a horror in implementation.</p>

<p>The stream was sluggish, due to little drop in it's course.  When the log stockade was erected, pilings were driven into the streambed as well, essentially damming the stream, causing backflow to create a marsh - a mosquito breeding ground.  Not to mention the backflow served to contaminate the water upstream, laying the groundwork for rampant dysentery.</p>

<p>Add to this the fact that the confederates <b><a href="http://www.fototime.com./EC471CE0C89F077/standard.jpg">never built (nor allowed the prisoners to) permanent structures</a></b> in the camp to house the prisoners.  They had to make whatever shelter they could, <b><a href="http://www.fototime.com./971C36BF6702713/standard.jpg">with whatever they had</a></b>. (Lest you think the replica structures in the photo represent neglect on the part of park staff - look again.  The pine boughs are fresh.  This is what the Union POW's had for shelter)  New prisoners coming in might have decent clothing and equipment, like the black oilcloth cape in the last picture - older prisoners were without - using either old clothing, or pine boughs if they were on outside work details and able to bring 'em in.  This is what the prisoners had - fall, winter, spring, summer.  This led to real problems among the prisoners, in an environment where the Confederate forces chose to exercise little control.</p>

<p>What control they did exercise was in terms of the <b><a href="http://www.fototime.com./02478F3DC2217B3/standard.jpg">Dead Line</a></b>.  A fence, 19 feet from the wall, that touching or crossing into the area beyond was automatic permission for the Confederate guards in the <b><a href="http://www.fototime.com./1FA48A09824F1B8/standard.jpg">'pigeon roosts'</a></b> to shoot to kill.</p>

<p>A not insignificant number of Union prisoners deliberately crossed that line for the express purpose of getting shot.</p>

<p>The Confederates built <b><a href="http://www.fototime.com./BB12987B5728A01/standard.jpg">earthworks</a></b> around the enclosure - to both protect against the increasing risk of Union cavalry raids as Sherman neared Atlanta, and to guard against revolt in the enclosure.  <b><a href="http://www.fototime.com./AE1E2E1FAC5021D/standard.jpg">Half the guns pointed out</a></b>, loaded with roundshot and shell, <b><a href="http://www.fototime.com./B5FFCFED4826F3A/standard.jpg">half pointed in </a></b>- loaded with canister, the better to cut huge swaths through the prisoners.  As most of the prisoners were combat veterans, they knew what those guns could do.</p>

<p>45,000 prisoners were held in Andersonville during its 14-month existence, with a peak population of 32,000 - held in an area intended to hold 10,000.  13,000 prisoners died of disease, exposure, malnutrition and poor sanitation.  The Confederate authorities were unable to provide adequate anything, except burial space.  29% of the population died.</p>

<p>The conditions were so awful that an organized group of prisoners started preying on the others.  Called the Raiders, their depredations grew so bad that the remaining prisoners petitioned the camp commandant to allow them to organize a counter-group, called the Regulators.  The Regulators were able to capture the Raiders, and demanded from the camp commandant the right to try the offenders.  This was granted, and a jury of 23 Sergeants (that's a hard jury!) sentenced the ringleaders to death by hanging, and the remaining Raiders to 'run the gauntlet.'  The camp commander pleaded with the Union prisoners to not carry out the executions, however they demanded to, and accordingly the six raiders were hung inside the enclosure.  This was a decision the camp commandant would come to regret later, as he was charged with murder for allowing it to happen, as, under military law at the time, the Sergeants had no standing to hold a trial.  So bitter was the feeling in the encampment, the prisoners refused to allow the Raiders to be buried with the other dead - and <b><a href="http://www.fototime.com./FE806C6C136A59F/standard.jpg">separate they remain today</a></b>.</p>

<p>The commander of the inner camp, Captain Henry Wirz, was arrested and tried for "conspiring with high Confederate officials to impair and injure thehealt and destroy the lives...of Federal prisoners" and "murder, in violation of the laws of war."  The conspiracy never existed, but in the anger and indignation over the conditions of Andersonville, a military tribunal found Wirz guilty, and he was hanged on November 10, 1865.  This was, in all probablilty, a miscarriage of justice.</p>

<p><b><a href="http://www.fototime.com./D647728D55B0FA3/standard.jpg">Clara Barton</a></b> came to the prison in July of 1865 to help in identifying the dead so their families could be properly notified.  In this activity she was helped enormously by Dorance Atwater, of the 2nd New York Cavalry, who kept the books on the prisoners, living and dead, and kept a copy of his books, fearing the Confederate authorities would destroy the official copies.  Thanks to their combined efforts, only 460 of the graves are unknowns.  If you've visited other Civil War cemeterys, you know there is no small achievement there.</p>

<p>The Andersonville Cemetery is now a National Cemetery, and contains the graves of <b><a href="http://www.fototime.com./6F73B26D20334AC/standard.jpg">veterans of all eras</a></b> who have died since the Civil War.  You can easily find the prison graves, however.  With a death rate approaching 100 a day, the gravediggers dug trenches and interred the bodies shoulder to shoulder - and <b><a href="http://www.fototime.com./D2216D7AD5F5A11/standard.jpg">the headstones from that era </a></b>are shoulder-to-shoulder.</p>

<p>Andersonville also shows the downside of being a prisoner from a winning Army... many times your own side's military success weighs heavily against you.  To be fair, Northern POW camps weren't always a lot better, having mortality rates comparable to most southern camps, in the mid-teens.</p>

<p><img src="http://www.fototime.com./ADA4ECDC66BF450/standard.jpg" border=0></p>

<p>I'll close this part out with a quote from Sgt David Kennedy, of the 9th Ohio Cavalry:</p>

<p><b><i>"Wuld that I was an artist & had the material to paint this camp & all its horors or the tongue of some eloquent Statesman and had the privleage of expressing my mind to our hon. rulers at Washington.  I should gloery to decribe this hell on Earth where it takes 7 of its ocupiants to make a Shadow."</i></b></p>

<p>For those with an interest, here are the State monuments at Andersonville, in no particular order.  Some of these images are pretty large, best to right click and 'save as' or open in another window.</p>

<p><a href="http://www.fototime.com./718EF0FDCCFDBA0/standard.jpg"><b>Wisconsin</b></a>.<br />
<b><a href="http://www.fototime.com./6F8ED04C07DAC89/standard.jpg">Rhode Island</a></b>.<br />
<b><a href="http://www.fototime.com./3B33E28E3EF634C/standard.jpg">Massachusetts</a></b>.<br />
<b><a href="http://www.fototime.com./5B65891F1BE854D/standard.jpg">Tennessee</a></b>.<br />
<b><a href="http://www.fototime.com./B0D4A41FADFC205/standard.jpg">Ohio</a></b>.<br />
<b><a href="http://www.fototime.com./1D758EEF1C03044/standard.jpg">Michigan</a></b>.<br />
<b><a href="http://www.fototime.com./A75EC13294BA9F0/standard.jpg">New Jersey</a></b>.<br />
<b><a href="http://www.fototime.com./4FE6A39312F090F/standard.jpg">Connecticut</a></b>.<br />
<b><a href="http://www.fototime.com./42F0F96F608498C/standard.jpg">New York</a></b>.<br />
<b><a href="http://www.fototime.com./5995AC57B0A59CD/standard.jpg">Indiana</a></b>.<br />
<b><a href="http://www.fototime.com./7B5677A50F41E2C/standard.jpg">Minnesota</a></b>.<br />
<b><a href="http://www.fototime.com./AEFCA136B98CE33/standard.jpg">Pennsylvania</a></b>.<br />
<b><a href="http://www.fototime.com./0C927E863594B68/standard.jpg">Maine</a></b>.<br />
<b><a href="http://www.fototime.com./124B6967ADD0F2A/standard.jpg">Illinois</a></b>.<br />
<b><a href="http://www.fototime.com./4182DC1B90B124C/standard.jpg">Omnibus Memorial</a></b> for states otherwise not represented: Delaware, Kansas, Kentucky, Maryland, Missouri, New Hampshire, Vermont and West Virginia.</p>

<p>Finally (!) this:<br />
<blockquote></p>

<p>Pile the bodies high at Austerlitz and Waterloo.   <br />
Shovel them under and let me work—   <br />
            <b><a href="http://www.fototime.com/86BCAB8E19AB9BA/standard.jpg">I am the grass</a></b>; I cover all.   <br />
   <br />
And pile them high at Gettysburg   <br />
And pile them high at Ypres and Verdun.           <br />
Shovel them under and let me work.   <br />
Two years, ten years, and passengers ask the conductor:   <br />
            What place is this?   <br />
            Where are we now?   <br />
   <br />
           <b><a href="http://www.fototime.com/8306C9FFC9CBCAA/standard.jpg"> I am the grass</a></b>.    <br />
            Let me work. <br />
</blockquote><br />
Carl Sandburg.</p>

<p><img src="http://www.fototime.com./9366F280755CBA4/standard.jpg"  border=0></p>

<p>My whole Andersonville Album is <b><a href="http://www.fototime.com/inv/94D76B21D6C52EC">available here</a></b>.</p>]]>
      
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    <title>Comment from Mike Lech on 2004-11-01</title>
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        Very good post Armorer. Did you make it to the town? I saw the picture of the National POW Museum but you didn&apos;t mention it in your text. Did you like it? It&apos;s a decent place when the audio/video displays are working...I was there when it opened (John McCain was Guest of Honor)

I&apos;ve lived in Andersonville for 8 years and did living history programs out at the park for over 10 years. 

The Park has done a good job with them. Some have been at night and were done more like a play as visitors are escorted by candlelight from one scene to another all around the prison. 

For the 125th anniversary, the NPS actually got ahold of a steam engine and cars. That one made the best impression upon as to what a Union prisoner went through. Being marched from the depot to the prison (almost a mile), standing outside the North Gate, herded into the holding pen, divided into messes then ordered into the prison proper...trying to make a &quot;shebang&quot; with my messmates...being put in charge of dividing and issuing the rations. Method: rations(consisting of slightly more then a handful of cornmeal and 3-4 oz of pork, mainly fat)laid out on oilcloths. With my back to the rations and facing the prisoners, another Sgt points to one pile of cornmeal and pork/fat and asks &quot;Who gets this ration?&quot; and I point to a random prisoner. Seems fair no? All the marching and &quot;shebanging&quot; makes you hungry and you find out how short those rations really were. I&apos;ve always understood that the guards received the same rations but they had better access to local farms/town.

The Living History events were usually held in February to coincide with the anniversary of the prison&apos;s opening...I&apos;ve slept overnight out there in a &quot;shebang&quot; in February and even tho it&apos;s SW Georgia it still can get cold...Mix in rain and it&apos;s really nasty.

My only run in with the law resulted in community service hours and I was actually given a chance to do the hours at the park...Instead of washing county owned cars or cutting grass at a school, I got to run a weedeater over the earthworks, the Star Fort, prison walls and Dead Line, the &quot;sinks&quot; and even headstones in the cemetery. I considered it a honor to do work there.

I recently was stopped outside the Post Office by 2 soldiers in a car who had gotten lost on their way to the National Cemetery to bury a fellow soldier who was killed in Iraq. AHS continues to have even more reasons for it to be hallowed ground.










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    <title>Comment from Thomas J. Jackson on 2004-11-01</title>
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        Unfortunately the South couldn&apos;t support its own armies and its treatment of POWs while poor cannot be compared to the North&apos;s deliberate mistreatment of the POWs it held.  The North deliberately starved its POWs for which there is no defense.  A comparison of mortality rates between both sides prisoners rasies numerous questions.  A point you fail to bring out in the article is the kangaroo trial held against Wirtz for his supposed crimes.  
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    <title>Comment from cw4billt on 2004-11-01</title>
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        All POW camps suck, if you happen to be an inmate. All things considered, though, Andersonville and Elmira would be positively Hiltonesque in comparison with a 3x3x5 tiger cage in the U Minh Forest...

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    <title>Comment from Justthisguy on 2004-10-31</title>
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        Umm, yep, Andersonville was revolting, but don&apos;t forget Elmira, and Point Lookout, and many other horrible, and horribly deadly, FEDERAL prison camps. Not to mention Abraham Lenin&apos;s cold-blooded decision to stop prisoner exchanges, knowing that it would cause hardships up to and including nasty deaths, for US soldiers in CS custody.  

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    <title>Comment from The Sanity Inspector on 2004-10-31</title>
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        Thanks; that takes me back.  I used to live in Americus, GA almost twenty years ago, working as a volunteer for Habitat for Humanity.  Sometimes I would cycle out to Koinonia Farms, other times out to Andersonville.  Quite a place...
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