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A change of Pace

Too much politics, not enough ordnance.

Here's a picture of the British No 9 Director (aiming circle in US milspeak) used with the Vickers machine gun.

The Brits routinely massed the fires of Vickers machineguns, taking advantage of their reliability, and used them as artillery against unseen targets, to suppress and disrupt. As long as you can meet the ammo requirements and have a reliable gun that can just keep on firing (that's where the water-cooling comes in useful) you can be really annoying. Air-cooled guns have to back off on the rate of fire, or go through a lot of barrel changes.

Think about it, there you are, route-stepping your way to the front-line trenches, or your jumping-off point, or repositioning the reserve to respond to an attack - and suddenly it just starts raining bullets. Lots and lots of bullets.

Just another reason it sucks to be an infantryman.

It's all about trade-offs and your tactical environment. If you are in a highly mobile situation, you want those lighter, faster-firing (generally) air-cooled gus. If you are in a moderately static environment... that sustained fire capability starts looking pretty good.

Of course, over time, the air-cooled gun has won completely. Cheaper, lighter and faster to make, and advances in materials making them more robust and able to sustain higher rates of fire - and, the more mobile nature of warfare has placed a premium on getting the most firepower from the fewest people (smaller crews). And small mortars, the rifle-mounted grenade launcher, or the belt-fed grenade machine guns like the MK19 have completely supplanted the water-cooled gun.

But I still like 'em from an aesthetic perspective.

7 Comments

I've heard of people just pouring water on the barrel of a Ma Deuce, but this was at Knob Creek type fun shoots and not in combat.
 
People did it in combat, too. Urine, too. Which works well, if you are near water. And not dehydrated. Just not quite as effective. Not to mention smelly.
 
Ahh, you need a Carrier or 15cwt truck to carry your vickers kit around there mate!
 
Montieth - amen, cobber! This is what I aspire to, someday.
 
Thanks for the post, John. I can't recall any of my history books mentioning how the British would mass machine guns and use them as artillery as you describe. Now I've learned two things today. The other thing was how to use comparatives in French. That may be more immediately useful to me in the short term, but it's not nearly as interesting as what you taught me.
 
The OQF 25 Pounder or the Carrier? IF you get the 25 Pounder you need the Limber and FAT to go with it. There's a Quad Polsteen for sale over on Milweb.net. There's also a demilled 25 pounder and a demilled 17 pounder. Theres a CMP Cab13 15cwt for sale as well on milweb for $850 up in Montreal. Supposedly running so it sounds like a good deal as a basis for a restoration. Find yourself a FAT body and you're set, all you'll need is a limber and the kit for the gun. Plus 5 friends to help bring the gun into action. I'm partial to British armor myself. '42 Dingo '43 Humber '60 Ferret What part of the country are you in? Jack, in one battle in WWI(Somme I think), a MMG company of 10 Vickers MMGs fired just short of 1,000,000 rounds of .303 Brit (MkVIz?) in a sustained mission over 10 hours. One gun fired just over 10,000 rounds. Do the math, the 450-550 rpm average and the number of rounds fired speaks volumes to the crews that kept those guns serviced, de-coked, watered and fed .303 in cloth belts. The attack they were supporting worked too because the Huns couldn't assemble to counter attack the ground captured in time.
 
I'm in Kansas... and have a kid-and-a-half in college (long story on the half-a-kid), so I won't be adding any vehicles soon. As for Rods stuff - both the 25pdr and the carrier. Rod has 4 25pdrs, two of which are traceable to Moresheads fellows in the desert. If you own a Dingo, Ferrert, and Humber, my penis shrivels in your presence. Put me in your will!
 
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