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Theirs was a lonely war...

...though oddly enough, one of the safer overall positions on the B-17 was the ball turret. The gunner could not raise or lower the turret himself - other crewmen had to do it. The obvious problems being getting out when the bomber is shot down - or if the turret is stuck and the bird has to make a gears-up landing. Being the pilot who had to make that decsion would have given me nightmares for life. The bomber crews suffered 10% casualties during the war - the highest percentage of any overall branch. Knowing the nature of men at war, it makes me wonder how many men died who might have lived... except that they stayed with the aircraft as it was falling, trying desperately to get the turret up so the ball gunner could jump, too.

As ever, click the pic for a high-res view.


The Death of the Ball Turret Gunner
by Randall Jarrell


From my mother's sleep I fell into the State,
And I hunched in its belly till my wet fur froze.
Six miles from earth, loosed from the dream of life,
I woke to black flak and the nightmare fighters.
When I died they washed me out of the turret with a hose.

Update: The Heartless Libertarian is right - I confused the B-17 ball turret with the B-24 and the B-25. My bad! The B-17 turret does not retract. It had to be rotated to let the gunner out, and unless he was teeny tiny, he couldn't wear a parachute.

While I was out checking, I came across this - the diary of a ball turret gunner.

I don't mind a little fact-checking. If I did, I'd have banned CPT H long ago!

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To the best of my recollection, the ball turret on the B-17 did not retract. To enter and exit the turret, the guns were rotated so they pointed straight down, then a hatch was opened to allow the gunner to get in or out. I've laso seen a photo of a gunner getting into the turret through the hatch while the plane was one the ground (guns in the full up-against the fuselage-position). Not sure if the hatch could be opened from the inside, but exiting this way and surviving while the place was in flight would have been impossible because there was no room in the turret for a parachute. The ball turret on the B-24 did retract, because the B-24 had much less ground clearance than the B-17. I believe the B-26 also had a ball turret, and possible the B-25, but I'm not sure how they worked in this regard.
 
The Experimental Aircraft Museum in Oshkosh, Wisconsin has a ball turret on exhibit. They added that in the last year, I think. Nobody over about 5' 2" could possible fit in there. Enhanced survivability looks to be due to being scrunched into a very small cross section target.
 
My dad was trained as a ball turret gunner. On the way to England, he and the tail gunner swapped positions. The former tail gunner had heard a story that if you spin the ball around and around, bullets would bounce off the turret. He tried that once. Airsickness in an oxygen mask at over 20000 feet in an unheated aircraft is not a pleasant thing. Dad was 5'1" and flew 17 successful missions over Europe. There were 25 if you count aborts, which didn't count toward his rotation home.
 
Oh, and Dad's crew was charmed. They had exactly one injuray, and no fatalities, though they did have significant severe damage to the aircraft on multiple occasions.
 
Capt. H rocks. Why doesn't he have a blog?
 
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