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Answer to the gun stumper.

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It is something old - if 1945 qualifies as old.

Here's the original question and the answers.

It's not a muzzle-loading cannon. That would be one hell of a counterbore if it was! (For those who don't know - a counterbore is when you drill in from the muzzle, making the bore larger than the rifled portion. There are many reasons this is done, but in black powder weapons it was mainly done to prevent cracking. It can also be done to repair muzzle damage, and that is often done in small arms. The russian arsenal rebuilt Mosin rifles are sometimes found with counterbores.)

Those who guessed/deduced artillery - you are correct, as far as it goes. There are too many lands and grooves for a small arm. They are also too pronounced. And, too flat at the breech. There was no forcing cone - which should have given it way that it was not a small-bore arm, either. The 'rusty' portion is flat. That would be one odd looking cartridge - for a rifle or a tank or artillery piece. Another option would be separate loading artillery - but their breeches have some other tell-tales, such as the 'swiss groove' - and they too still have a forcing cone for the initial ram and seating of the projectile.

There is really only one weapon that fits the evidence (and you had to be able to figure out that there was no forcing cone): a recoiless rifle. Where the cartridge sits unsupported in the breech and the rifling is pre-engraved on the rotating band of the projectile.

I told you you were going to have to be a geek to get it. There were some very informed guesses. I was impressed. Calliope - your brother made a good guess too - it does look like the sleeve that would engage a prop shaft. And John, you were correct - it uses an abbreviated form of interrupted screw breech block.

The 'dirt' in the bore? The rust-colored stuff is cosmoline. The crunchy particulate matter is welding residue from when the weapon was dewatted and the bits carefully rewelded to meet ATF specs to still be a "non-gun."

Here's a picture with a slightly different POV.

The weapon in question? A 57mm M18 recoiless rifle. Made by Firestone, in Canada (note the "C" serial number), in 1945.


13 Comments

And what was the unofficial name given it during its early development? Cheers JMH
 
Wow. I dunno anything about artillery. I don't see how it could work right with the cartridge unsupported like that. But like I just said...
 
That's my basement!
 
You win, John. I dunno, and none of my references (well, the ones I was willing to dig through) mention it. Enlighten us!
 
Gosh, Calliope - I guess I'll have to take some more pictures... and a new post!
 
Well...if you're going to go to the trouble I'll be reading it. Points that raised my eyebrow: 1) How do you rapid feed a gun like that? It appears to me the loader has to be looking into the barrel to get the round in the barrel since it doesn't have a normal chamber. 2) I admit I was a bit surprised that the round has grooves to fit the rifling. Put simply...does that work? When you feed it do you have to rotate the round to get it to fit the rifling and seat? 3) It looks to me like the unsupported round would tend to explode. Is the casing unusually constructed since its unsupported by chamber walls to contain the explosion? Don't get me wrong, its certainly a cool piece. Wish you could shoot it and take picture of THAT for us. :D
 
All good questions I will answer in the fullness of time (have to finish chores first before I can take the needful pictures).
 
"Kromuskit", see reference. Cheers JMH
 
I'd heard the term before, but always in reference to the 75mm reckless rifle. I assumed it was the name of the designer. I do have to admit, however - while I am pleased you have discovered the URL button - I'm not very good at Finnish. So I have found a easier to read link.
 
Oh wow. Your link has a Bren Gun. I watched the History Channel this week thinking that was a pretty darn cool weapon. Do you have a Bren Gun John? That barrel swapping stuff just looked so cool to me.
 
Um, I have two. A Mk1 and a Mk2.
 
You name it, we have it - well, not everything. I really really want a Blunderbuss.
 
All Hail the mighty WOMBAT Weapon of Magnesium Battalion Anti-Tank 105mm RR. British Airborne nuts had them mounted on little tiny jeeps. With a .50 cal ballistically matched aiming rifle. The rifle hit, so would your shell. Most crews didn't have to wait for the .50 to hit The jeep was there to get the hell away before the surviving enemy decided your now visible as hell position was just the place to fire any remaining machineguns. To make it light most of it was magnesium castings. recall: Hunk magnesium doesn't burn easily, or no easier than aluminium.
 
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