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Another Arsenal Artifact.

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This gizmo is a dial sight. In US parlance, it's called a panoramic telescope. This particular one is the WWI-era sight for the Brit 18pdr howitzer.

To hit a target the gun can't see, without a lot of wasting rounds registering and adjusting, you need to have a few simple things.

Accurate target location. Accurate observer location. Accurate gun location, and a common grid to measure angles from. There's some other stuff, like accurate weapon, ammunition, and weather data, but that's the subject for a different, glaze-your-eyes post that will make people run away screaming in fear. Or get me sued as people break their noses as their heads hit the table as they fall asleep reading.

Anyway - you align the gun tube on a known azimuth. To do that, you use an aiming circle (director in commonwealth-speak) to align the gun and sight on a known azimuth. You set that azimuth on the sight, with the sight pointed to an aiming reference point, whether it's a collimator as used now (an instrument that simulates an infinity reference point but that can be placed close to the gun), aiming posts, (which, when aligned in the sight mean that you are looking at them straight on) or a distant aiming point, at least 1000m away (least desirable, bad weather is your enemy there).

Still interested? The rest is in the extended post.

Once you've done that - you can then point the tube where you want it. You calculate the the amount you need to move the tube left or right of the azimuth the gun is laid on. You send that data to the guns. The gunner sets that amount of deflection on the sight. He then looks through the sight, and moving the gun, not the sight, he brings the sight picture back to the aiming point. Voilą! You have now moved the gun tube to the azimuth of fire.

There are two approaches to this. One is lay by azimuth, where everything is done by compass azimuth, the other is lay by deflection, where instructions to the guns are given as left or right deflections from a zero line. This is the method the US uses. It is nominally more secure, because you aren't giving away compass bearings, which aid the enemy listening to your transmissions in trying to locate your guns. In an era of digitally encrypted commo, it's not as important, but our system is built around it. Many nations just use in the clear compass readings - which in the age of digitally encrypted commo is fine.

There are three ways in use that I'm aware of to measure the angles. The metric 6400 mil circle, the Russian arshin-based 6000 mil circle, and standard compass bearings. Sounds complicated, but it isn't. A circle one kilometer in diameter has a circumference of 6,400 meters. The arshin, a pre-metric Russian equivalent to the yard or meter, yields a circle of 6000 arshins. And standard compass bearings yield 360 degrees. The finer you can make your circular gradations, the more accurate you are at greater ranges. If you think about each marking unit as a ray proceeding from the center of the circle out to infinity, there is one meter between the rays at 1 kilometer. 10 meters at 10 kilometers, 20 meters at 20 kilometers. Those distances are even larger using the other systems. At long ranges, that begins to have an effect on accuracy.

Okay. I'm done now. If you're still here, congratulations! If not, well, I understand.

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Please, enough of the FAOBC 101. My eyes are glazing over just like the first time I read all of that at Ft. Swill.
 
It wasn't aimed at you, d-uh. It was aimed at normals. What's this, cheap knowledge gloat? Ya wanna do that, get yer own blog. 8^) Gunner will like it, by contrast. I got a heterogeneous audience here. I warned you it was a boring post - with more boring posts to come! Wait'll I do the Aiming Circle one!
 
I've loved the last 2 posts. The German mortar is fascinating. I didn't post on it because I don't know anything about them, but I read them avidly. Its amazing to me that they were able to take precision instruments like this dial sight into the mud and gore of a battlefield and keep them operational, use them to direct accurate fire. I look at that thing and wonder how in the world they did it. Looks heavy as hell to me. Plus you have to get it properly aligned and set up so you can sight a target...all while being shot at? Just amazing.
 
See, Knob? See? Told yaz!
 
I think I shall have to find the instructions for "Turret Down HESH" and forward them. That's a technique which requires skill. Cheers JMH
 
I love stuff like this. I peruse gunshows for such antique but still useful brass like this. The explanation of Mils makes sense. German Mortar? where? Scott
 
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I suspect your bathroom magazine rack is stuffed full of gunnery tables, FMs and MET worksheets you worked up just for fun in your spare time.
 
Always glad to help a knob along, dude. The magazine rack is full of Fine Scale Modeler and Military Modeler. Underneath is stacked Goldsmith's The Grand Old Lady of No Man's Land and The Devil's Paintbrush, and Olson's Mauser Rifles of the World, 3ed.
 
All right! Cannon-cocker porn! Thanks for a "stimulating" post, John. But aiming circle, hell! Do some hasty survey next! I always loved that sh!t.
 
Hasty survey would be great, but don't forget the Emergeny Fire Mission, aka Hipshoot.
 
Our aiming circles are among my favorites of the Castle Argghhh! Collection. They are indeed heavy, Calliope, and sometime, if you ever get to the Leavenworth area, John can set up a demo on they work for you. (bring coffee)
 
Delightful, delovely and delethal! A welcome blast from the past for a former steamie ("commonwealth" for cannon-cocker) who fell from the true faith into the ranks of the scope-dopes of air defence. Nice to take a walk down memory lane to the good old days before GACS, MILIPAC, the festering HP41C and GFTs to maps - the Manual Artillery Plotting System, otherwise known as a 2Lt with the Tabular Firing Tables in one hand, the tannoy mike in the other, and a china marker in his teeth. And pooh-pooh to critics of gunner pr0n; some of us grok this stuff. I was chuffed to come across a 1944 Brit gun drill manual for the 25 pdr at a book sale some years ago and happily snapped it up. Once a gunner, always a gunner, I guess. Keep'em'coming. "End of mission; target destroyed."
 
Delightful, delovely and delethal! A welcome blast from the past for a former steamie ("commonwealth" for cannon-cocker) who fell from the true faith into the ranks of the scope-dopes of air defence. Nice to take a walk down memory lane to the good old days before GACS, MILIPAC, the festering HP41C and GFTs to maps - the Manual Artillery Plotting System, otherwise known as a 2Lt with the Tabular Firing Tables in one hand, the tannoy mike in the other, and a china marker in his teeth. And pooh-pooh to critics of gunner pr0n; some of us grok this stuff. I was chuffed to come across a 1944 Brit gun drill manual for the 25 pdr at a book sale some years ago and happily snapped it up. Once a gunner, always a gunner, I guess. Keep'em'coming. "End of mission; target destroyed."
 
Apologies; too quick on the trigger finger. Time for a deep breath. Out.
 
To the true gunner, gunner p0rn can do that!
 
" A circle one kilometer in diameter has a circumference of 6,400 meters." Try again. C = pi * D Even if you meant 1km radius, the circumference would be 6283 meters. Just to keep things honest :-)
 
Argghhh! All the cannon-cockers who read and commented - yet no one (who caught the goof) besides you points out that in my early morning fog I get radius and diameter confused. Sigh. I hate it when that happens. Especially *after* the googlebot has been through. As for the other - let's concede the topic can be confusing enough, and that I didn't get into the who radian thing. Probably because I can't write as succinctly as this:
A radian is commonly used in mathematics as a unit of measure for angles instead of the more common known degree because of some very convenient properties that result in calculus and other advance math usage. One of those convenient properties, at the low level math usage, is also of great use to us in the shooting world. In a complete circle, 360 degrees, there are 2 pi radians. This is about 6.283 radians per circle. Since there are 1000 milli-radians in one radian, there are about 6283 milli-radians in a circle. This is where the confusion starts. The US military found the concept of a milli-radian very useful and adapted it for use with maps, artillery spotting and numerous other things. However, the US military made things 'simpler' by standardizing on 6400 mils in a circle. To make things even more interesting the Russians, and perhaps others in Europe, use 6000 mils in a circle. The errors from the mathematical definition are not that great for most uses. In other words, if you are off just two inches in your estimate of the size of an object that is six feet long then your total error from that one source is greater than the error from using the US military version of mils and over half of the error if you are using a Russian mil optic device. Another way of looking at it is that a true mil is 102% of a US military mil and 95.5% of a Russian mil. When estimating the size of object 500 yards away and the errors in measuring the number of mils in most optics, the errors in estimation and number of mils are almost for certain greater than the errors introduced by the approximations used by the US and Russian military.
Our dirty little secret is out.
 
Any one out there know, seen or used a soviet plotting baord. Or better yet know how the Soviets do FDC. I have used 82mm mortars before with the 6000 mil circle using our US principles and making my own plotting baord, but there has to be a better way.
 
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