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January 11, 2007

H&I Fires*, 11 JAN 2007

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I have it on good authority that Darryl Worley's new song, "I Just Came Back From War", tells it like it is. Go watch and listen to the video for yourself. Then go read the thoughts of America's Son.
-Barb / Proud blogmom

Doing a little poking around to find reactions to the Pres last night/The Surge I found worth the look. So, I give to you:
a) TPM Barnett’s reaction (gollum’s take: I’ve always had dwell to deploy ratio and op-tempo issues with further plus ups. There’s good reasoning behind many of the arguments behind doing it, but in the back of my mind there’s always ‘what are we gonna’ do about tomorrow?’
I also think Tom’s gone a bit too far with his big list of nations to include in the discussion for regional security. Yeah, there’s good reason to bring in Russia and China---economics of the region--- but I think you have to worry about how the people in the region will react to you saying Russia and China’s interests matter as much as theirs. That might not play so well.

Basically, I hope The Surge works. It better work.)
b) Dan Froomkin of the WaPo. (gollum’s take: Found this to be the rather rational and representative of the ‘don’t do the surge’ from the anti-war side. Not so screechy.
A bit of wisdom Herr Low Intensity Conflict, him being an Intel Officer who saw trigger time, passed on to me once:, “Take what the opposition says seriously, believe that they believe what they say they do because if you act as if they don’t actually DO you’re bound for trouble in your created fantasy world. Now get me a gingerbrew before I kick your @55 all over the game board.”

Moving on.
Max Boot has something I love and hate going on with this piece. True, the MSM isn’t the enemy. They aren’t even purposeful enemy enablers (though I’m sure someone will tell me I’m on crack for saying that. The purposeful element should be taken note of, if you please.). They just make the enemy’s informational campaigned aimed at the most fruitful ground of all (that between your ears) job a whole lot easier by playing by the scripts they have been.

In the end, if Iraq is eventually and irredeemably lost, the MSM will have played a part in it, which they will deny forever (just as they do about the impact and role that reportage had on the ultimate loss of Vietnam. It wasn’t the sole cause, and maybe not a major element, since Johnson made a deal out of worries that China might get involved like they did in Korea that really had a serious effect on the conduct of te Vietnam War, but when the enemy’s most famous general, Giap, says it played a role and they build a shrine to the MSM’s influence in their War Memerial in Ho Chi Minh City you best believe it did.).

This from TNR shows how far Barnett’s idea of a ‘SysAdmin’ force idea has spread. Wild.
ry(scurries for hidey hole)
Adding a c) to the round up from above: Mark, the ZenPundit, has a good roundup of his own and some pretty choice commentary about what the domestic political game is. Won't ruin this with my own take.
ry(rescurries for hidey hole)


Interesting news from Iran - FbL


OK, here are my two questions of the day:

First, what does this mean? What are we looking for? I heard this on the BBC World Service and have been thinking about it a lot.

Second question.........I recently ordered the deployment of an additional carrier strike group to the region. We will expand intelligence-sharing and deploy Patriot air defense systems to reassure our friends and allies. Where are these Patriot missile batteries going?.......Maggie


There's no denying that the success of much of what the President outlined last night is dependent upon the courage and activities of Iraq's Prime Minister. So, let's hope this report is true. - FbL


Jim Baen, SciFi publisher, culture warrior, all 'round Good Guy. H/t, JTG. - the Armorer


Oh-oh! Alan, what's your lot up to? Dang Maple-syrup-swilling swine! H/t, CAPT H. -the Armorer


Polls as "manufactured" news... on a whole new level.

Wow. "Fourteen members of an advisory board to Jimmy Carter's human rights organization resigned on Thursday to protest his new book, which criticizes Israeli policy in the Palestinian territories." Is there any rationality to Carter on Israel, or has he really gone senile?

And one more thing: Isn't anybody else disturbed that the "loyal opposition" wants and gets official rebuttal time during war after the CINC announces a new military policy/strategy? And Dick Durbin is the one who gets to do it??!! The same guy who 18 months ago compared American soldiers to Nazis, the minions of Pol Pot, etc? - FbL


*A term of art from the artillery. Harassment and Interdiction Fires.

Back in the day, when you could just kill people and break things without a note from a lawyer, they were pre-planned, but to the enemy, random, fires at known gathering points, road junctions, Main Supply Routes, assembly areas, etc - to keep the bad guy nervous that the world around him might start exploding at any minute.

Not really relevant to today's operating environment, right? But, it *is*

The UAVs we fly over Afghanistan and Pakistan looking for targets of opportunity are a form of H&I fires, if you really want to parse it finely. We just have better sensors and fire control now.

I call the post that because it's random things posted by me and people I've given posting privileges to. It's also an open trackback, so if (Don Surber uses it this way a lot) someone has a post they're proud of, but it really isn't either Castle kind of stuff, or topical to a particular post, I've basically given blanket permission to use that post for that purpose. Another term of art that might be appropriate is "Free Fire Zone".

Comments on H&I Fires*, 11 JAN 2007
FbL briefed on January 11, 2007 09:11 AM

LMAO! Maggie, you wiped out my post with a post that addressed the same news (MNF storming the Iranian "liason" compound in Irbil).

I defer to the Princess... ;)

MajMike briefed on January 11, 2007 10:52 AM

what are we looking for?


Maggie briefed on January 11, 2007 05:20 PM

I completely agree about Durbin. I was so upset.

dick briefed on January 11, 2007 06:19 PM

I read the followup on the polls and it really struck me that this is just business as usual for the MSM. What has to happen to get the White House to respond to this kind of made-up statistics and if they do decide to where are they going to respond.

Sean briefed on January 11, 2007 08:30 PM

thanks for the link.

Tom says what we needed first was a 50k each Russian, Chinese and Indian peacekeepers in Iraq, nonOccidental, so when insurgents looked across the line they saw three cultures with a demonstrated record of killing Muslims when the situation requires it.

ry briefed on January 11, 2007 08:51 PM

Um, Maggs, you're kidding right? MajMike is on the money. A smoking gun linking Iran to funding and fueling some of the insurgentcy in Iraq. The Patriot systems? Iran has a fair number of missiles they could fire off if they get a wild hair(the Shahab series for instance). My not be nuclear, chem and bio warheads have dispersal issues, but they are a problem. We're taking a stance that Iran is not going to like and were anticipating one of their major counters. Smart.

"Tom says what we needed first was a 50k each Russian, Chinese and Indian peacekeepers in Iraq" I may have missed that in the post Sean. Even so, I'm not sure it's such a smart move. If, and I'm only saying if, part of the problem is 'outsiders' bringing in other outsiders who have issues with Moslems and have histories of killing them(Russia obviously with Chechneya, China with the Ughir(I can't spell for crap), and India with the indigenous and Pakistani Moslems) I can't see that as not exacerbating the problem. The mass effect would be nice(150K more troops? Hell yeah), but not sure it solves other issues.
I also have trouble with the rather sticky details of how such a coalition would decide how to proceed. We've very different ideas of what's necessary. Tom didn't go into that, it being a blog post and not a dissertation, but I think it potentially an issue.

Maggie briefed on January 11, 2007 10:39 PM

Ry- I thought they were interesting points to discuss. Aren't you interested in knowing what we were looking for or where those batteries will be placed?

ry briefed on January 12, 2007 12:52 AM

Of course I'm interested in knowing what was found. But it's going to be released like the Zimmerman telegram( and such, if at all. I'd give up my left arm to see what was actually found there. But I'm not going to see it. Not before it gets world wide release to show Iranian intransangience.

Placement of the Patriot(are they PAC-3?, I sure hope so) batteries is a tactical thing. They aren't going to Japan or Korea, if that's what you're thinking. we've sent some to those places or sold them some already(the ones with the anti-ballistic upgrades to software and such). These are obviously headed for Iraq and critical points in the ME to counter possible BM attack. Beyond that's purely on need to know in my opinion(and I, though I'd like to, don't need to). Don't want to make things easier for the enemy you know. Loose lips sinking ships and all.

John, you've ruined me. Now Maggs surrenders to curiousity like a 12 year old better than I do. Punk. Stop dragging me into adulthood.

Sean briefed on January 12, 2007 06:20 AM

sorry, Ry. i guess that was kind of a driveby comment ;-)

the 50ks are something Tom was has said in the brief as long ago as 2 years ago. he has not reiterated this recently.

if i had a point, it was along the lines of 'this whole thing would have gone down better with a little more coalition-building on the front end a la the 50ks.

nowadays i think Tom would say Russia and China still matter b/c what we should really be trying to do is transform the whole region, and they figure in that way, overall-security-wise. further, they are, at a minimum, important trade partners (China re: oil especially)

ry briefed on January 13, 2007 01:34 AM

No hassles, Sean. It's been a while since I saw the brief on C-SPAN(and the wife refuses to allow me to buy the DVD of it.). I must've totally forgotten he said that. It happens.

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