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December 30, 2006

H&I* Fires DEC 30, 2006

Open post for those with something to share, updated through the day. New, complete posts come in below this one. Note: If trackbacking, please acknowledge this post in your post. That's only polite. [Admittedly, I'm fibbing. Trackbacks are still broken]

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Froggy has started a firestorm over at B5 with his complaint about the ROE(rules of engagement) our Boys and Girls work under. Me? I'm with Kat-Mizzou and Skippy-san in the comments (most of which aren't worth the effort, but there's some good stuff in there). The full spectrum of the conflict must be considered and not just the tip of the spear. That doesn't mean that the two aspects, tip of the spear and the overall politics, shouldn't have an interplay though. They should. Which is what Skippy and Kat along with Froggy are arguing.
Oh, and did you know that wanting 'violent retaliation' for 9/11 was bad for your health? Scientists say so, and so it must be true. Phhhhpppppt.

Project Valour-IT - money well spent. -the Armorer


Reporting the war, MSM-style, as observed by Greyhawk.

Unlike in 1943-45, when there were thousands of them - there is only one are only two flyable Lancaster bombers. And those gnomes who spend their spare time poring over the commercial satellite imagery looking for things like airplanes in flight and military installations - found one, flying, in Google Maps. H/t, Monteith. -the Armorer [Update, Check out CAPT H's comment]


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Speaking of odd things found in Google Earth... how about that Chinese Nimitz-class aircraft carrier you (and the Navy) didn't know they had?

[Update - CAPT H points out another rogue Nimitiz. ] -the Armorer


What? No Hussein swinging from a Star entry?

True to the last he had to argue, but he still ended up doing the Tyburn Two Step
C'mon, thats the best Christmas present I've seen all year!
Yes folks, Ding Dong the witch is dead.

Until we find out that his buddies hijacked him during the moment of truth and he's going to start leading the "Rebellion"

Until then, its a nice feeling knowing there's one less HVT out there.
Enjoy it.

Fillean meal ar an meallaire!


*A term of art from the artillery. Harassment and Interdiction Fires.

Back in the day, when you could just kill people and break things without a note from a lawyer, they were pre-planned, but to the enemy, random, fires at known gathering points, road junctions, Main Supply Routes, assembly areas, etc - to keep the bad guy nervous that the world around him might start exploding at any minute.

Not really relevant to today's operating environment, right? But, it *is*

The UAVs we fly over Afghanistan and Pakistan looking for targets of opportunity are a form of H&I fires, if you really want to parse it finely. We just have better sensors and fire control now.

I call the post that because it's random things posted by me and people I've given posting privileges to. It's also an open trackback, so if (Don Surber uses it this way a lot) someone has a post they're proud of, but it really isn't either Castle kind of stuff, or topical to a particular post, I've basically given blanket permission to use that post for that purpose. Another term of art that might be appropriate is "Free Fire Zone".

Comments on H&I* Fires DEC 30, 2006
J.M. Heinrichs briefed on December 30, 2006 12:04 PM

Oh dear ...
The GoogleEarth image is probably of the Lancaster (PA 474) flying with the Battle of Britain Memorial Flight with further details here .
However, in TundraLand, we have the Mynarski Lancaster (KB 726) flown by the Canadian Warplane Heritage Museum. I have enjoyed seeing it in flight several times. Hurricane + Spit + Lanc = 6 Merlins in full song.

For those who travel, the CWHM is in Hamilton, Ontario. Further info: click here.


John of Argghhh! briefed on December 30, 2006 12:23 PM

Sic Semper Errata, round here.

Maggi briefed on December 30, 2006 03:20 PM

Ry - I've been following Froggy's thoughts on ROE. Did you read the other post?

I am decidely in his camp.

wolfwalker briefed on December 31, 2006 10:55 AM

I posted the GoogleEarth link elsewhere, and the immediate response from some fairly savvy people was skepticism, based on the point that the bomber's shadow isn't readily visible. Can anyone here make a stab as to how high the bomber is, and therefore roughly where one should look to find the shadow?

John of Argghhh! briefed on December 31, 2006 10:58 AM

If it *is* spoofed, then it happened at the original provider (some sattellite imaging company), or is in in-house Google prank. I have no idea how high the thing is.

ry briefed on January 1, 2007 02:46 PM

Well Maggs, all I can say is that there's a time for pugnacious and then there's a time for a more subtle style of leadership/strategy. There's places for both. I want pugnacious in spades in the Tip o' The Spear guys, but not so much in other slots. Laying waste about you isn't always the best way. Alexander the Great was a fine killer and as savage as any would've like, but he also worked the other ends to secure what he took by the sword from the Persian empire.

Don't get me wrong. Froggy's no dummy and nobody can ever question the man's courage or skill---SEALs aren't couch potatoes afterall(unlike pudgy ol' gollum, who giggles like the Pillsbury Doughboy). But he's using a track of thought that's been largely discredited. Strategic Bombing to sap the will to fight was based on the same reasoning. Didn't work. Neither did nuclear brinkmanship by Eisenhower against the Chinese in the 50s. Froggy's a great guy with whom I often agree with, but he and his argument are simply and demonstrably wrong on this.

At the end of the day though I hope people remember that we're really on the same side: we want victory with the lowest number of US casualties to attain that victory. We just disagree as the method to proceed to it.

emdfl briefed on January 1, 2007 06:35 PM

Strongly second JM's comment about seeing the CWHM in Hamnilton. Wife and I drove up there (accidentally) and caught the museum durig a celebration. We bought memberships the same day.

Nothing sends goosebumps up the spine like four Merlins synchronized during take off. And for the rich among us, I believe for a pretty reasonable - somewhere in the low four figures - sum you can get a flight in the Lanc at certain times of the year.

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