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December 22, 2006

The Whatziss, continued.

Here's your second clue - at this point, it's a Google Skillz contest. Which is why you don't often *get* headstamp clues!

But this one is kinda neat, and while very different from what you guys would expect from me, is very much in keeping with the things that keep me endlessly fascinated.

Go for it, Gents.

If this post makes *no* sense to you, you're probably a new visitor, or a little behind. Start here.

Update: Whee! Chicken Soup for the Armorer's Soul - an email on this post:

DAMN YOU DONOVAN AND YOUR CURSED WTFIZZ!

;-)

Sluuuuuuuuuuuuuuurp!

Comments on The Whatziss, continued.
AFSister briefed on December 22, 2006 08:22 AM

It's an 8-gauge Winchester Western Red Paper Shot shell. http://www.neaca.com/MoreWinchesterItems.html

WHOOO HOOOO!

AFSister briefed on December 22, 2006 08:48 AM

OK.
It's a Western, for a Winchester 8 gauge.

John of Argghhh! briefed on December 22, 2006 08:52 AM

Except when it isn't.

No red paper... slight, but key, difference in the casing.

Ya didn't think it was going to be *that* easy, didja?

Headstamps tell only part of the story - for a caliber that has many different projectile types, a manufacturer may have only one headstamp - but different colors of paint/ink on the bullets that distinguish between types.

The ones you found (which are the ones most people will find first, like I did) are close - but not quite right. This cartridge has a specific purpose, that is out there on the 'net, and if you keep looking and find the description, you'll recognize it.

AFSister briefed on December 22, 2006 08:58 AM

BUT BUT BUT
This is the closest I've ever come!

*pout*

Mebbe I should revert back to the gentile version of Al's answer, dang it!

Pat briefed on December 22, 2006 09:00 AM

IIRC it is(was?) used to break the slag out of blast furnaces in the steel industry. I guess that reading the Gun digest and Shooters Bible ever since I was a kid may have paid off.

John of Argghhh! briefed on December 22, 2006 09:02 AM

And you're on the right track, AFSis - keep plugging!

AFSister briefed on December 22, 2006 09:08 AM

What about an 8-gauge tracer round?

karla (threadbndr) briefed on December 22, 2006 09:26 AM

on a not entirely unrelated tanget.

John, do you know a (local to us) source for 8mm Mauser rounds? JC's 'elephant gun' (c 1918 Egyptain Hakim) dings them on the eject so the rounds can't be reloaded and his former source here in town is now out of business (Rusty's).

BTW, want that I should post a picture of the Marine!Goth's mini armory? we are up to five rifles and two shotguns. That boy spends more on long guns.......

John of Argghhh! briefed on December 22, 2006 09:46 AM

The Castle's Hakim was a bit hard on casings when ejecting, too.

The gas tap is adjustable. It's probably set wide open, which makes ejection very... erm, robust.

Crank it down until it almost won't cycle the rifle, then open it a quarter turn from that, and you should do less damage.

I'll send you links to ammo sources.

BloodSpite briefed on December 22, 2006 11:03 AM

Since my last guess was wrong, I'm going to go out on a limb here, and not knowing crap about older propeller driven plane's I'm forced to ask is it a starting "buckshot" for a prop driven aircraft?

MajMike briefed on December 22, 2006 03:04 PM

could be the cure for a little bit too much of the "Old No. 7"...

SezaGeoff briefed on December 22, 2006 03:51 PM

I'm with Pat, other than my recollection is that they are for use in cement kilns. I have an equivalent Remington round that has a cylindrical, wad cutter slug rather than a pointed one. http://www.winchester.com/industrial/
(Hey, what happened to the URL insert function?)

SezaGeoff briefed on December 22, 2006 03:51 PM

I'm with Pat, other than my recollection is that they are for use in cement kilns. I have an equivalent Remington round that has a cylindrical, wad cutter slug rather than a pointed one. http://www.winchester.com/industrial/
(Hey, what happened to the URL insert function?)

SezaGeoff briefed on December 22, 2006 03:53 PM

Double posted too - bad Geoff

John of Argghhh! briefed on December 22, 2006 05:02 PM

(Hey, what happened to the URL insert function?)

It broke during the attempted upgrade. My blog mechanic is on leave... hopefully we'll have everything tidied up next week.

Pat briefed on December 22, 2006 05:27 PM

Geoff,
I think you're probably right about it being for cement , not slag. It's been a long time since I read about it.

supercaffinated briefed on December 22, 2006 07:44 PM

My uncle worked in a papermill for years, and they used those (or something very similar) to break up chunks of lime (I think) on a machine used to sift the powder down into the vats. Its been years since I saw one of the rounds, and since I have seen the uncle come to think of it. I would guess they have quite a few other uses in heavy industrial plants of different types.

My uncle said some of the guys that worked there would also remove the mounting and set it on a truck and shoot deer with it occasionally as the paper mill was quite deep in a rural area of Louisiana.

jon spencer briefed on December 23, 2006 06:42 AM

Supercaffinated is correct.
The round can also be used as a cement breaker.
Have also heard of them used to break cast iron.

Justthisguy briefed on December 23, 2006 09:09 PM

Kiln Gun load. As in a Portland Cement plant.

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