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December 18, 2006

H&I* Fires, 18 DEC 2006

Open post for those with something to share, updated through the day. New, complete posts come in below this one. Note: If trackbacking, please acknowledge this post in your post. That's only polite. [Admittedly, I'm fibbing. Trackbacks are still broken]

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I'm in DC today and tomorrow, helping my client convince his bankers that the product of the funding they provided is worth well in excess of what they paid for it. Seeing as how they've already funded another year's work on a new study, this shouldn't be too hostile of an audience. One hopes. I'm here to back him up and to defend the wargaming and resultant analysis, if needs be.

Denizen Murray wants us to know New Zealand is present in Iraq, if only as represented by individual effort, vice national policy. And that such presence has a cost.

In Afghanistan, old habits die hard, absent the lopping sword or choking noose of theTaliban (and look how fast old habits resurfaced). Amply illustrating the difficulties in effecting cultural change. Something to consider as we decide how to proceed with the GWOT. If we're going to proceed from the assumption of a long war... do we understand just how long it's going to be?

Speaking of Afstan:

"Suddenly, two huge explosions shook the night. And on the other side of the river to the north, where a moment earlier two men had been crouching down preparing the rocket, there was nothing left but the craters where the shells fired by the Leopard tank had detonated."

CAPT H sends us this: Sniping with HESH. That ought to make MajMike all funny in the pants. What? Oh. High Explosive Squash Head.
Yep. And the squash head does not refer to the target. I'll let the tankers explain, just because it will no doubt be fun to read. -the Armorer


Hiding in Time's "Person of the Year" edition is a section called Power to the People, 15 profiles of people of the digital world. And one of those people is MilBlogs' own Wordsmith at War. - FbL


It must be Leak Day at the Pentagon and CIA. CIA and Special Operations are clashing. Hmm... Interesting, but somehow I doubt this is anything new. More CIA vs. Pentagon here. - FbL


*A term of art from the artillery. Harassment and Interdiction Fires.

Back in the day, when you could just kill people and break things without a note from a lawyer, they were pre-planned, but to the enemy, random, fires at known gathering points, road junctions, Main Supply Routes, assembly areas, etc - to keep the bad guy nervous that the world around him might start exploding at any minute.

Not really relevant to today's operating environment, right? But, it *is*

The UAVs we fly over Afghanistan and Pakistan looking for targets of opportunity are a form of H&I fires, if you really want to parse it finely. We just have better sensors and fire control now.

I call the post that because it's random things posted by me and people I've given posting privileges to. It's also an open trackback, so if (Don Surber uses it this way a lot) someone has a post they're proud of, but it really isn't either Castle kind of stuff, or topical to a particular post, I've basically given blanket permission to use that post for that purpose. Another term of art that might be appropriate is "Free Fire Zone".

Comments on H&I* Fires, 18 DEC 2006
MajMike briefed on December 18, 2006 08:48 AM

the first round missed??? sun went down an hour earlier, assume ambient temperature drop, assume heat effects on tube, probably coulda used another boresight update. the round didn't miss, the tank didn't miss, the GUNNER missed...

but then he made up for it.

heh, squash head...

(still giggling)

Oldloadr briefed on December 18, 2006 01:22 PM

Maybe he missed on purpose... Let the b******* know they were about to meet Allah...

SangerM briefed on December 18, 2006 02:47 PM

HESH: Instant Shaped Charge. The round is less likely to richochet like a HEAT, and doesn't pierce like that or a SABOT, and HESH is good for non- vehicles too. What it does is whump the side of the vehicle or building or defensive position something fierce, causing walls to come apart at fault lines and toss lots of stuff around inside the item.

For example, in older tanks, HESH could cause the turret to spald along fault lines, causing not only a BIG thump, but big chunks of steel and stuff to fly around inside the turret. It's also good for hitting a heavily armored vehicle amidship, blowing tracks and wheels all apart and making things come loose in the hydraulics, etc.

Imagine a 5T sledge hammer hitting the side of the house. . .

P.S. I'd always called 'em HE soft-head..

John of Argghhh! briefed on December 18, 2006 03:44 PM

IIRC, it's a Brit round in concept and it's the Brit usage. We called it HEP. High Explosive Plastic.

SangerM briefed on December 18, 2006 07:20 PM

Funny that, I've always called it HESH, been so long I forgot the term HEP, but then I was only a wanna-be tanker (assigned to an Armor Bn, went to gunneries at Graf as fill-in for crew shortages, otherwise, was a GSR/Redeye/(sometime)Scout guy in both leg and armor units. When I moved to CEWI stuff, I got to be in charge of really cool EW toys (RDF/ECM) from ground AND air, but nothing that actually went boom. That was when I realized it wasn't going to be fun anymore. And they wouldn't let me go be the Scout PSG at 1/37 (Katterbach) 'cause I'd got a bonus. Feh!

SangerM briefed on December 18, 2006 07:23 PM

Speaking of 1/37, I remember when that unit had M60A2s! What screwy looking tank that was... Glad I never had to work one of those. . .

John of Argghhh! briefed on December 18, 2006 07:35 PM

I was a Company FO for the last hurrah of the M60A2s - the January 1981 maneuver-rights ARTEPS. After that they got their M60A3s IIRC.

AFSister briefed on December 18, 2006 09:39 PM

Isn't every day Leak Day at the Pentagon and CIA? It sure seems like it, because every day, somewhere in the world, someone is urinating on our country.

MajMike briefed on December 19, 2006 09:00 AM

M60A2 skipped completely over me, never had the oppty (thank goodness).

XM-1s, M60A3s, M60A1s (Rise and Rise/Passive), then back to M1s and M1A1s...

all things considered, i don't regret missing out on that maintenance nightmare.

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