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December 13, 2006

A new whatziss.

Prior to 1960.


Go for it. It's out there, in the usual places.

Oh, and the bullet is the correct bullet - the neck of the cartridge was damaged by the numbskull who used pliers to remove the bullet... and the color on the tip of the bullet *is* a clue.

Comments on A new whatziss.
Instapilot briefed on December 13, 2006 08:48 AM

.17 caliber varmint cartridge (Tarkington-Crapspray Munitions, Ltd., Stuttaford-on-Avon, Suffolk, UK)

DE644 briefed on December 13, 2006 08:54 AM

Without something to compare it's size to like a '06 it is difficult to accurately judge, but it looks very much like an old round called a 5.6 Vom Hofe Express. However that was not a military round and you usually do Mil. stuff, Hmmmmmmmm?

John of Argghhh! briefed on December 13, 2006 09:44 AM

DE644 (Vammen?) - you may safely assume that in this case I am being true to form.

MajMike briefed on December 13, 2006 09:57 AM

.17 caliber PRK Zing-Pow round

NATO nomenclature: "Needle Dick"

John of Argghhh! briefed on December 13, 2006 10:52 AM

Hmmm. I sense that some of you aren't taking this seriously.

You, of all people MajMike, should. You and your kind.

Rick briefed on December 13, 2006 11:27 AM

Jeez. The closest thing I can find is a 7.92X94. And I'm guessing that's not a US round. Oh well.
But I liked MajMike's guess, even though not serious, or correct.

Trias briefed on December 13, 2006 11:37 AM

Zat ees zee boolit zat shot Renee ov zee Resistorence. Sorry watching Allo Allo reruns.

ok wild guesses uhm it's AP. Used in WW2?

MajMike briefed on December 13, 2006 12:01 PM

Patrone SmK (Spitzgeschoss mit Kern) Kurz 7.92 mm (for the Mauser)

MajMike briefed on December 13, 2006 12:09 PM

..or perhaps a Carl Gustav 20x180R

KCSteve briefed on December 13, 2006 12:42 PM


Bullet looks to be around .223 which would make the cartridge about .50. No idea of what the round is other than meant to leave the weapon at a very high rate of speed and make a very noticable impact at the far end. Color being a clue probable means armor piercing so I'm guessing it's an odd little anti-tank round.

It would also shoot flat for quite a long ways so anti-aircraft is a possibility.

Proxy here at 'work' (well, they do pay me to be here) blocks things it thinks are 'weapons' related (mostly) so it's hard to do any research.

I'll have to check back and see if I'm putting people on the right track or not.

Chris Byrne briefed on December 13, 2006 02:17 PM

It's a sighter round for a coaxial sighting rifle.

Rod Thorsen briefed on December 13, 2006 03:28 PM

Have to agree with df644, after going through many of the references in my library (does this make me an intellectual?) his id seems most correct. Was this ever developed experimentally for military use?

J.M. Heinrichs briefed on December 13, 2006 04:52 PM

7.92 x 94 Patronen 318 for the Panzerbuchse 38;
IAW Rick.


Rod Thorsen briefed on December 13, 2006 05:28 PM

Ahh, sneaky once again.

So where'd you bury the numbskull?

SangerM briefed on December 13, 2006 07:50 PM

either a subcaliber for a short tank range or a spotter round for something like an 106mm RR, which in fact also used to have a subcaliber round for the main tube (but I think that might have been a .22).

Yeah, I got to fiddle with the 106mm w/the 25th. I was the backblast bagger (you know the guy who attached the burlap bag over the breach to contain the tell-tail backblast....) The hard part was loading all the bags on teh 5 ton after the exercise;

And just for the conversation, any of you remember the USMC Ontos? Death on tracks (for the crew too, I suspect), but I would have hated to be on the front side of one...



John of Argghhh! briefed on December 13, 2006 08:35 PM

Ontos - I thought I had a post about those, but it ain't there now. Mighta gotten dumped in some house-cleaning.

Hey, it's an excuse... for a post.

Rivrdog briefed on December 13, 2006 09:27 PM

It's an Iranian round, the 2.56X99 Anti-Jew Sniper round in Depleted Polonium (which they got from Putin's boyz, who said they were SURE it was depleted).

President I'm a Jaded Armpit ordered a special sniper rifle to be built for shooting Jews at very long range, all the way across the Arabian Peninsula, which is as close as the Iranians themselves will ever get to Israel.

Note the fine armory work with PRC cheapo tools evident on the neck of the round, which came from Iran's premier Arsenal, The Lake of Bitches. You should be able to see the "LB" headstamp if you look closely, but if not, it was a mere oversight on the part of the arsenal, no biggie. A biggie for them would be leaving out the powder, which happens every time the powder-measurer is called to prayers and leaves the machine running.

We'll have to fight them and the products of their Arsenals someday. I'm worried, very, very worried.

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