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December 15, 2005

Uh-oh!

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by 1st Lt. Bob Miller December 12, 2005 Capt. Robert Duchaine, Company B commander, 1st Squadron, 71st Cavalry Regiment, distributes toys to kindergarteners in a school in western Baghdad. Iraqi forces from the 6th Iraqi Army Division also participated in the visit with the U.S. Soldiers. This photo appeared on www.army.mil.

More failure to follow the script. A journalist writes:

Considering another side Think about everything you’ve heard about the conditions in Iraq, the role of U.S. forces, the multi-layered complexities of the war.

Then think again.

I’m a journalist. I read the news everyday, from several sources. I have the luxury of reading stuff newspapers don’t always have room to print. I read every tidbit I could on Iraq and the war before coming.

Everything I thought I knew was wrong.

Maybe not wrong, but certainly different than the picture in my head.

Really. Go read the rest.

Gosh. The Powers That Be In Journalism had better get this one back on the reservation...!

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December 9, 2005

Sgt Richard Wightman III, from the 80th Division (Institutional Training), takes a short break while on patrol in Taji, to meet some Iraqi youngsters. This photo appeared on www.army.mil.

Heh. Who'dathunk it? They don't all hate us - and we, despite Jane Frickin' Fonda's Deep Thoughts on the subject... aren't just mindless killing automatons... Yeah, no worries there for the Powers That Be, Jane's On-Message. Hanoi Jane is *still* chained to her anti-aircraft gun, even if she couldn't find the time to finish up her antiwar tour.

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by Staff Sgt. James H. Christopher III December 14, 2005

Staff Sgt. Carlswell, from 23rd Infantry Regiment, 172nd Stryker Brigade Combat Team, greets an Iraqi family at a traffic control point in Mosul, during pre-election security operations. This photo appeared on www.army.mil.

Huh? JFF? Yeah, she possibly had a sekrit meeting with LTC (R) Paul Dave Grossman... and then cherry-picked what he had to say. And someone gave her the Cliff's Notes on Marshall.

Jane Fonda: U.S. Troops Are 'Killing Machines'

"Hanoi Jane" Fonda is claiming that ever since Vietnam, U.S. troops have been trained to commit atrocities against innocent civilians as a matter of military policy.

"Starting with the Vietnam War we began training soldiers differently," the anti-American actress says in an email to the Washington Post.

Fonda claims she learned of the policy switch in "secret meetings" she had with military psychologists "who were really worried about what was happening to our combat personnel."

One doctor, she insists, told her U.S. troops had been deliberately trained to be "killing machines."

"This began," Fonda maintained, "because the military discovered that in World War II and Korea, [U.S.] soldiers weren't killing enough."

"So they changed training procedures" to teach troops how to commit atrocities.

Still, the anti-war gadfly cautions, it's important not to blame the soldiers themselves for carrying out war crimes.

Recalling the "Winter Soldier" hearings that she and John Kerry staged in 1971, Fonda lamented: "When you put young people into an atrocity-producing situation where enemy and civilian are commingled, where the 'other side' is dehumanized, we cannot be surprised."

Anti-war vets now returning from Iraq, Fonda cautioned, should be listened to instead of being dismissed as "unpatriotic."

"We have not learned the lessons of Vietnam," she declared.

Oh, yeah, yeah we have, Jane. Really. Most of 'em at any rate. One of my favorite lessons I learned from Vietnam? If Jane Fonda is talking politico-military subjects and not discussing acting or aerobics, oxygen is being wasted, break out the move-around bottle.

Comments on Uh-oh!
FbL briefed on December 14, 2005 07:28 PM

*thinking unprintable thoughts*

FbL briefed on December 14, 2005 07:45 PM

I've read that reporter's blog now...

Well, I'm happy for her. I'm glad she's seen the light. But I realized as I read, the thoughts I have towards her are anything but positive and charitable. I want to call her names and tell her what an idiot she is, how arrogant she is, even in the very act of having a glimpse of her own arrogance.

I want to say, "So what. You figured out how wrong the media has been. Well, la-di-dah... Aren't you special for stumbling into the truth a couple years late. The lies already did their damage. Who the hell cares what you think!"

I suppose it's probably a good thing she doesn't have comments on her blog...

Fred briefed on December 14, 2005 08:15 PM

One reporter at a time isn't fast enough.

cw4(ret)billt briefed on December 14, 2005 08:35 PM

I note that Janie is in no rush to travel to the hinterlands for a photo op with the jihadis.

Bummer. Would've been a great video...

bad cat robot briefed on December 14, 2005 09:18 PM

That little girl in the yellow dress sure looks terrified, doesn't she? Any more unilateral American cowboys and she'd probably giggle. The horror.

Par briefed on December 14, 2005 10:09 PM

Not to quibble - but it's Dave Grossman who wrote "On Killing".

John of Argghhh! briefed on December 14, 2005 10:41 PM

Oh, and sure, where were *you* when I staffed this thing, huh?

8^D

kat-missouri briefed on December 14, 2005 11:17 PM


I gotta post up on this. Jihad Jane Supports her troops

Maggie briefed on December 15, 2005 09:05 AM

Military psychologists are "consulting" Jane Fonda? Is she wearing her tinfoil beanie when these signals come in?

Cricket briefed on December 15, 2005 09:15 AM

oooooooohhhhhhhhh I am so torqued! JFF along with Jean Fraude Kerry.

Otay, she opines that we haven't learned the lessons of Vietnam.

Change that to 'she hasn't' and that would be right.

I am thinking the unprintable and wonder what sort of Voldemortish name we could give her...she-who-must-not-be-named? Or you-know-who?
I like that...rename Jane Fonda.

Cricket briefed on December 15, 2005 09:19 AM

Interesting that they mention Jean Fraude Kerry.
It was proven that he lied the big fat...oh never mind.

cw4(ret)billt briefed on December 15, 2005 10:12 AM

Maggie - The military psychologists actually show up in person. Due to the sensitive nature of these consultations, however, they must be escorted into the tower by her flying monkeys.

SangerM briefed on December 15, 2005 11:00 AM

Ok!! You all have got to STOP being funny!!

'they must be escorted into the tower by her flying monkeys.' Velly, velly funny!!

I am sitting in a 'business-center' in you know where, and, well, the folks next to me, peeking at the screeen don't appreciate my outburst of laughter... Yeah, well....

I will however, leave the URL in the history instead of deleting it as I usually do, so that some of the more curious and intelligent folks can
come back after I've gone and look for themselves...

But that said: Sometimes, I just have to wonder where some of these people get their news. . . Could they really believe the stuff they are saying or is it all show for the effect because they suspect most of the prawns are too stupid to know any better. . .

Man, would I ever love to meet Janie just once. I'm not sure I could say anything she hasn't heard, but it would be nice to ask her, in public if she really is as stupid as she makes herself sound. Sheesh, that woman just doesn't know when to quit does she?

Of course, as I've said many times, it's folks just like here in the Hillary for Prez camp that will keep the smart ones squarely in the anybody but camp. . . Kind of like having Castro go one up for you are Pres.

Otherwise, I agree with FBL about the reportere too, though everyone is entitled to be stupid and then grow out of it (we all used to believe stupid stuff in our past--well _I_did anyway). I just tell people that I take no responsibility for the moron who used my name 25 years ago, and that I don't have to be trapped in one lifestyle or set of beliefs just because of him. I know that is a bit of 'not responsible' but I really don't mean it that way. I did what I did, I just don't figure I have to keep doing or believing dumb stuff just because I did.

Someone once said, 'The past does not equal the future.' I don't recall who that was, but that saying has become very near to a motto for me. Basically, just because I did a thing does not mean I have to do it again, nor that I have to stay within a certain set of constraints just because that's how it was. 'Zat make sense to anyone?

Just addin' my 2 cents. . .

Heartlesslibertarian briefed on December 15, 2005 11:28 AM

Now, off the subject of Hanoi Jane...

Look closely at the picture of SGT Wightman. (Second pic down)

Every NCO I know who has seen that picture has commented on one thing. Who here can guess what?

Jon The Mechanic briefed on December 15, 2005 11:40 AM

As one of those "killing machines", I want to thank Jane for finally realizing the truth.

The US soldier is a killing machine. Allow me to list some examples.

When we deployed to Iraq, we killed the tyranny of a repressive regime that uses chemical weapons against innocent women and children.

When we deployed to Europe in 1442, we killed another regime lead by a madman named Hitler who killed over 6 million people in concentration camps.

When we deployed to Korea, we killed the hopes and dreams of a Communist North Korea who were intent on turning the entire peninsula into a gulag.

And when we come home to our loved ones and small children, we kill their fears of what lives in the closets and under the beds of our most precious treasure.

Am I a killing machine? Damn skippy I am. And I hope that Jane takes these thoughts to heart and just shuts her yap.

John of Argghhh! briefed on December 15, 2005 11:43 AM

His red 'do rag? That and the fact it was news to me the Institutional Training Divisions were deployed...

MCPO Airdale briefed on December 15, 2005 12:04 PM

Yup, Jane "secret meetings" makes you look like the black helicopter fearing idiot that you are. Your replaying of your 1971 script will not work now.

33 years ago I was serving when you called me "baby killer" and had your minions spitting on me and my shipmates when we walked in public in uniform.

Not this time Jane! Not. Ever. Again.

cw4(ret)billt briefed on December 15, 2005 12:07 PM

Heh. 'T ain't the red do-rag, John.

It's how he's wearing what enables you to spot the fact that he's wearing a red do-rag.

Welllll, at least the nape of his neck is protected from small arms fire or the errant camel spider. And the flight gloves are a nice touch.

cw4(ret)billt briefed on December 15, 2005 12:20 PM

BTW, why's everybody so skittish of black helicopters? I stopped doing that NightHawk thang a while ago...

Geez--it's not like I'm still *flying* or anything.

Shadow briefed on December 15, 2005 01:26 PM

Maybe the weapons and systems are a bit more efficient now?
Personally I would like to see the page 13s for the "anti war vets". Might be pretty revealing in terms of their motivations.

Shadow briefed on December 15, 2005 01:27 PM

Maybe the weapons and systems are a bit more efficient now?
Personally I would like to see the page 13s for the "anti war vets". Might be pretty revealing in terms of their motivations.

John of Argghhh! briefed on December 15, 2005 01:41 PM

Page 13s?

And there *is* a kernel of truth to what she says, in that we are training people to be better shots.

Which is *not* the same thing as training them to be killers in the sense she means it.

Neffi briefed on December 15, 2005 01:51 PM

It seems to me 'Sgt.' Wightman is wearing only two stripes...

fdcol63 briefed on December 15, 2005 01:54 PM

Gosh. All that "atrocity brainwashing" and "killing machine training", and US forces have only been able to murder about 30,000 Iraqis?

After having sent HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of US forces into Iraq since March 2003?

Bush and Rumsfeld have clearly "failed", and the US military is indeed "broken". All that taxper money down the tubes for nothing.

Quick ..... somebody call Murtha to initiate an immediate Congressional "investigation"!

LOL

cw4(ret)billt briefed on December 15, 2005 03:24 PM

"Recalling the 'Winter Soldier' hearings that she and John Kerry staged..."

"Staged" pretty much describes it--more than a few of the "Vietnam Vets" who sobbed out their tales of horror had never even seen military service, let alone combat.

Shadow briefed on December 15, 2005 03:36 PM

Don't know about the other services, the page 13 in the Navy service record is the one that lists the awards, meritorious and disceplenary for an indivduals service career.

kat-missouri briefed on December 15, 2005 03:37 PM

try this

Sgt. B. briefed on December 15, 2005 03:39 PM

Actually, those Nomex flight gloves are derned nice to have while conducting a patrol. They're tactical, fire-resistant, and don't get slippery once you've had to ford a swamp or three... I've since lost mine (too many moves after I left the Corps)...

But the red "doo-rag" has got to go... We used to wear the olive drab triangle/sling bandages out of our first aid kits...

But it is quite festive for the season, and maybe it let's them cute little munchkins know that this guy is a colorful character...

cw4(ret)billt briefed on December 15, 2005 04:24 PM

That was probably the only thing anyone used those OD slings for. We used to call 'em "Scout Scarves" because wearing them "bandito" style kept the bugs, leaves, dust, etc. out of your nasal passages when snooping along a trail about 20 knots and three feet AGL.

John of Argghhh! briefed on December 15, 2005 04:33 PM

We wore 'em as bandito-masks in the deserts, to keep out the crud when tooling across the dusty expanses...

MCart briefed on December 15, 2005 05:31 PM

Hahaa... Shame on me. I actually thought that maybe, just maybe one of these dirtbag peaceniks from the Vietnam War might stand up and say "I'm sorry I was wrong then, and I support our actions in Iraq now."

No such luck. Once a dirtbag, always a dirtbag.

I'm such an idiot. I have too much faith in my fellow citizens.

Since the message is utterly worthless, might as well attack the messenger/source. I watched a couple minutes of Barbarella one night, and the word that came to mind was not 'attractive', it was 'vapid'. Fonda is a worthless human being that has made NO positive contribution to humanity, whatsoever.

John of Argghhh! briefed on December 15, 2005 05:59 PM

Naughty naughty MCart, relaxing of the rulez is *my* perogative.

-10 from Ravenclaw!

cw4(ret)billt briefed on December 15, 2005 07:59 PM

Fonda is a worthless human being that has made NO positive contribution to humanity, whatsoever.

Tsk. Sure she has, MCart--she's helped to keep innumerable tile floors clean and dry...

MCart briefed on December 16, 2005 11:30 AM

Ow. My. Sides...

Didn't see that one coming at all. :)

cw4(ret)billt briefed on December 16, 2005 01:04 PM

MCart - Led a sheltered life, have you?

MCart briefed on December 17, 2005 05:38 AM

Yessir, seems I have.

Getting back to the more serious side, It truly does escape me why people behave like this. It's just mind boggling. Certainly, I feel she's free to do what she wants, and to be wrong, if she feels like it...

But it just doesn't make any sense to me. What could she and her ilk be hoping to accomplish? Under a communist regime, she couldn't have even MADE her most lucrative movies.

It just doesn't make any damn sense.