August 24, 2004

Breaking news to keep an eye on...

From Drudge:

Kerry's campaign now says is possible first Purple Heart was awarded for unintentional self-inflicted wound...

Kerry received Purple Heart for wounds suffered on 12/2/68...

In Kerry's own journal written 9 days later, he writes he and his crew, quote, 'hadn't been shot at yet'... Developing...


And some vets still aren't Fonda Kerry:

XXXXX DRUDGE REPORT XXXXX TUE AUG 24, 2004 11:09:31 ET XXXXX

KERRY PHONES SWIFT BOAT FOES

**World Exclusive**

Dem presidential hopeful John Kerry personally phoned anti-Kerry swift boat vets, the DRUDGE REPORT has learned.

Kerry reached out to Robert "Friar Tuck" Brant Cdr., USN (RET) Sunday night, just hours after former Sen. Bob Dole publicly challenged Kerry to apologize to veterans.

Brant was skipper of the #96 and # 36 boat and spent time with Kerry in An Thoi. Kerry and Brant slept in the same quarters, and Brant used to put Kerry back to bed at night when Kerry was sleepwalking.

Brant received a call from Kerry at his home in Virginia while he was watching the Olympics on TV.

The call lasted 10 minutes, sources tell DRUDGE.

KERRY: "Why are all these swift boat guys opposed to me?"

BRANT: "You should know what you said when you came back, the impact it had on the young sailors and how it was disrespectful of our guys that were killed over there."

[Brant had two men killed in battle.]

KERRY: "When we dedicated swift boat one in '92, I said to all the swift guys that I wasn't talking about the swifties, I was talking about all the rest of the veterans."

Kerry then asked if he could meet Brant ["You were one of the best"] -- man to man -- face to face.

Brant declined the invite, explaining that Kerry was obviously not prepared to correct the record on exactly what happened during Vietnam and what happened when Kerry came back.

Comments on Breaking news to keep an eye on...
Sergeant Major V briefed on August 24, 2004 01:08 PM

"I was talking about all the rest of the veterans"??!! That makes my blood boil. This will undoubtedly anger the balance of Vietnam Veterans, those who served honorably in other US Navy units as well as the sister services; Army, Marine Corps, Air Force and Coast Guard.

There's no doubt that John Edward's regrets his "If you have any questions about what John Kerry is made of.." comment. The Swift Boat Vets have definitely had an impact on this race. Absent complaints and legal maneuvering from the Kerry campaign, the media reaction alone tells me that the Swift Boat Veterans put steel on target.

I was cruising around the other day looking for a copy of "Unfit for Command". It's sold out in most of the big bookstores, so I stopped at an independent shop that I've purchased from in the past. I didn't find a single copy. What I did find, prominently displayed at the front of the store, was a six foot multi shelf front and back section of books bashing Bush and America. I can’t recall the mass outrage and hysteria from the media that at least some of these titles should have stimulated.
- CSM V


MSgt Jon Townsley briefed on August 24, 2004 01:46 PM

If Kerry's camp is now admitting that his first wound was self-inflected....then isn't it logical that he falsified his after action report ?

Liberal Larry briefed on August 24, 2004 04:32 PM

Vietnam Vietnam Vietnam ! Why do you Republicans keep bringing up old Vietnam ghosts? It was 30 years ago!

Sergeant Major V briefed on August 24, 2004 04:50 PM

If memory serves, it was Senator Kerry that made Vietnam a campaign issue. Personally, I'd prefer that he ran on his record as a Senator over the last 20 years rather than the 16 weeks he spent in Vietnam.

spaceCADETzoom briefed on August 24, 2004 04:55 PM

Lib Larry:
The Republicans haven't necesarily been the ones who brought it up. I think the issue at hand is in reaction to Kerry's "band of brothers" displays and what many non-veterans keep bringing up about the difference between the National GUard (read: BUsh's service) and Active Duty (in reality, with respect to "service," there is none...the folks which bring this up the most have never been in the military). The Swiftboat vets aren't necesarilly Republicans anyway.

The simple controversy that these swifvets bring up is that Kerry seems to be trying to have both sides...on one hand he stands by his anti-war activities, yet on the other hand, he tries and flaunts his "band of brothers" persona. His actual "band of brothers" were hurt by his actions and are making known some of thier opinions. IN all honesty, folks who love Kerry and hated the war have not been swayed by such displays by the swiftvets.

The swiftvets would have nothing if the Kerry supporteers hadn't tried to use Vietnam as an issue for canidacy. They're merely countering the idea...

Does this benefit BUsh? in a way yes, as any smear of an opponent would do. But is it *because* of Bush? No, not necesarilly. If Kerry were to say he was the best tennis player in the world and other tennis players were to air ads that said "no, he wasn't," would you be complaining that these tennis players are fixedly focused on "silly tennis"? Kerry and his supporteres were the ones who made it an issue...

spacecadetzoom briefed on August 24, 2004 04:57 PM

Geez, Sergeant Major, steal my thunder, why don't ya. :) kidding.

John of Argghhh! briefed on August 24, 2004 05:28 PM

Yo, Space - careful, ya want the Sergeants Major to be yer friend!

Or the Master Sergeants.

Even Marines (ducking)

John of Argghhh! briefed on August 24, 2004 05:31 PM

Larry - since this is a place full of combat vets and long service professionals...

Tell us why it *isn't* important, given that the candidate has made it important?

Castle Argghhh! doesn't mind dissent - we just want you to express something besides the feeling - i.e., why isn't it important - and just saying it's 30 years ago doesn't wash.

spaceCADETzoom briefed on August 24, 2004 10:54 PM

Just to further the idea that actions regarding Vietnam aren't in and of itself damning: remember Clinton's own record on the Vietnam years. His out-and-out draft dodging did not damage his candidacy much. The issue with Kerry is only an issue because he (or at least his supporters) made it an issue. Clinton was elected twice without "bringing up Vietnam ghosts", Larry. Sure, you had some grumblings, but they were largely disregarded, no?

The swiftvets, whether you discredit them or not, seem to be peeved that Kerry insists is among "the band of brothers" (he even used those words). Even though he came out and says servicemen were crimnals and babykillers, etc, he is trying to also say he himself was a noble warrior. He wants it both ways, and that irks people. You don't think the POW's have a valid reason to be bothered by Kerry's testified claims of war crimes, when those very POWs were tortured to get false confessions of the same?

Granted, again, this would all be water under the bridge...30 year ghosts...if it weren't for the fact it was made an issue by the candidate himself.

Clinton didn't run on the platform that he took a stand against war. His campaingns did not even mention those years. He ran on his issues. As the Sergeant Major said above, Kerry could have run solely on his experience as a senator. Instead, he chose to play up his VIetnam years, which had holes...

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